Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:50:02 +0200 Stephen J. Mazurek steve.mazu...@gmail.com wrote: I have a high speed connection but I will be starting from a CD. Do you have any suggestions? I would suggest you make your own CD's DVD's if you want a CD install. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ This site is for the new 7.0 Beta2 Installer, it's very slick. This will install the testing version of Debian, code name: wheezy This is what I would do since you ask. -- CK -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ae5gojf6k0...@mid.individual.net
Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:50:02 +0200 Stephen J. Mazurek steve.mazu...@gmail.com wrote: I expect to return to Linux very soon (not Debian, but Aptosid, since it's more up to date.) Kubuntu Ubuntu it's all Debian to me. Debian Invictus as it were. If you want up-to-date do the beta2 7.0 install and set up your /etc/apt/apt.conf like so: APT::Default-Release unstable; Build-Essential build-essential; Ignore-Hold false; Clean-Installed true; Immediate-Configure true; // DO NOT turn this off, see the man page Force-LoopBreak false; // DO NOT turn this on, see the man page Cache-Start 20971520; Cache-Grow 1048576; Cache-Limit 0; Default-Release ; Install-Recommends true; Install-Suggests false; and your /etc/apt/preferences to: Package: debian-reference-en Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 500 Package: debian-reference-common Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 500 Package: (if you wanted to pin a particular package for special attention) Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 500 Package: (the same package to walk on the wild side) Pin: release a=experimental Pin-Priority: 900 This is where up-to-date is at. One last thing if you're feeling really adventurous albeit suicidal change all the 'unstable' places to 'experimental' and if your system still works you'll be beyond up-to-date. -- CK -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ae5iahf6k0...@mid.individual.net
Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories
It's nice to have the DVD images. You can do a lot with the first Debian DVD. If it's at all possible for your machine to boot from USB, I recommend loading the DVD image onto a USB thumb drive and booting/installing from it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caldrw3nprkuwqtsyuk3goatyzebv0kr7-siosmvpdphk9xu...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories
Stephen J. Mazurek wrote: I used Debian Linux for a number of years. I recently got a new HP computer running Windows 7, which gave me minimal problems, aside from annoyances (Microrsoft is very good at being annoying.) Anyway, I expect to return to Linux very soon (not Debian, but Aptosid, since it's more up to date.) I have a high speed connection but I will be starting from a CD. Do you have any suggestions? snip How is Aptosid more up to date than Debian Sid? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k5khpl$bc8$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:41:16AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Recently someone was chided for attempting installation from a CD. Not all of us have convenient access to a high speed internet connection. I don't believe they were chided, simply reminded that the best way to get packages is usually direct from the repositories. As you note, there are use-cases for the CDs, which is why they exist. For example, I have installed debian on an air-gapped system (that is, a server which is not and will never be connected to the internet). My only option in that case was to download DVDs and use them. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories
I must agree. There can be many barriers to installing or upgrading from on line sources. I will solve *my* own situation later by using the DVD images I have even if slightly behind. I want stable squeeze anyway. Karen On Mon, 15 Oct 2012, Richard Owlett wrote: Recently someone was chided for attempting installation from a CD. Not all of us have convenient access to a high speed internet connection. I can have limited access to high speed access by carrying one of my laptops to the local library. I don't find downloading more than a live-CD feasible due to bandwidth limits they set to provide maximum usage for maximum number of users. Even the live-CD doesn't give me a functioning system as it does not include a dialer for an analog modem. I solved _*MY*_ problem by purchasing the 8 DVD set of install disks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/507c2e9c.6050...@cloud85.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1210151150001.45...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories
Darac Marjal wrote: On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:41:16AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Recently someone was chided for attempting installation from a CD. Not all of us have convenient access to a high speed internet connection. I don't believe they were chided, simply reminded that the best way to get packages is usually direct from the repositories. OK, maybe I was reading into it some comments I've received having asked for help to do things in a very non-standard way. Friends who've known me for 40 years still wonder about my logic ;) As you note, there are use-cases for the CDs, which is why they exist. For example, I have installed debian on an air-gapped system (that is, a server which is not and will never be connected to the internet). My only option in that case was to download DVDs and use them. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/507c36c3.8040...@cloud85.net
Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories
On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 10:41:16 -0500 Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Hello Richard, Recently someone was chided for attempting installation from a CD. That's putting it strong; I asked why they wanted to use the CD/DVD method rather than online repos out of curiosity. The answer came back - lack of connectivity. A perfectly valid reason. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent You suck my blood like a leech Death On Two Legs - Queen signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories
On 10/15/2012 10:41 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: Recently someone was chided for attempting installation from a CD. Not all of us have convenient access to a high speed internet connection. I can have limited access to high speed access by carrying one of my laptops to the local library. I don't find downloading more than a live-CD feasible due to bandwidth limits they set to provide maximum usage for maximum number of users. Even the live-CD doesn't give me a functioning system as it does not include a dialer for an analog modem. I solved _*MY*_ problem by purchasing the 8 DVD set of install disks. You must be using a totally free dialup service for daily internet access. In many/most US locales dial is as expensive, if not more expensive, than aDSL or cable, though I'm not familiar with the providers and plans in Springfield. You mention carrying your laptop to the local library, not driving. Can we assume you're walking to the library, live in the city limits, not on a farm or other rural location outside of Springfield? How far are you from the MSU campus? If it's not a prohibitive distance, it might be worth explaining your situation to someone in the MSU telecommunications department and see if you can get a guest access account. Then stop by every couple of weeks to download your Debian and other updates, and anything big you need, etc. I'd assume there won't be any bandwidth limits. Also, it's possible they might be running a local non-public Debian mirror in the Engineering or Computer Science departments. (Many universities and colleges host private mirrors of popular open source software repos to conserve bandwidth on their public pipe) If so you might get permission to pull directly from such mirrors. Just some suggestions from a fellow Missourian, though a couple hundred miles to the North. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/507c398b.9080...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories
Stan Hoeppner writes: You must be using a totally free dialup service for daily internet access. In many/most US locales dial is as expensive, if not more expensive, than aDSL or cable... In many it is much cheaper (here, for example). In some broadband is not available at all. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87lif7r800@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories
Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 10/15/2012 10:41 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: Recently someone was chided for attempting installation from a CD. Not all of us have convenient access to a high speed internet connection. I can have limited access to high speed access by carrying one of my laptops to the local library. I don't find downloading more than a live-CD feasible due to bandwidth limits they set to provide maximum usage for maximum number of users. Even the live-CD doesn't give me a functioning system as it does not include a dialer for an analog modem. I solved _*MY*_ problem by purchasing the 8 DVD set of install disks. You must be using a totally free dialup service for daily internet access. In many/most US locales dial is as expensive, if not more expensive, than aDSL or cable, though I'm not familiar with the providers and plans in Springfield. You mention carrying your laptop to the local library, not driving. Can we assume you're walking to the library, live in the city limits, not on a farm or other rural location outside of Springfield? It's paid service and is less than the teaser rates quoted by either ATT or the locale cable outfit. To even get the teaser rate from either source I'd have to bundle in a bunch of unwanted services. Effectively, the last time I did a head to head comparison, I was saving more than $40 a month. Besides this way way I can drive a couple of miles and see the *owner* of my ISP. I get very good customer service. Besides any DSL only became available in this area of the city a few years ago. I'm literally on the wrong side of the tracks. This area was built up ~110-120 years ago for laborers in the local rail yard. Though well within the city limits, I'm not within walking distance of a library. How far are you from the MSU campus? If it's not a prohibitive distance, it might be worth explaining your situation to someone in the MSU telecommunications department and see if you can get a guest access account. Then stop by every couple of weeks to download your Debian and other updates, and anything big you need, etc. I'd assume there won't be any bandwidth limits. Depending on which route, I might drive past MSU on way to library. But though I don't doubt it meets ADA requirements, I'd not consider that campus to be handicapped friendly. Once I get my system(s) set up the way I want, using the library will likely be adequate. Also, it's possible they might be running a local non-public Debian mirror in the Engineering or Computer Science departments. (Many universities and colleges host private mirrors of popular open source software repos to conserve bandwidth on their public pipe) If so you might get permission to pull directly from such mirrors. Just some suggestions from a fellow Missourian, though a couple hundred miles to the North. Know of any Linux groups within driving distance of Springfield? ICON, a local computer group, has a very small Linux SIG. That's all I'm aware of. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/507c4aee.7010...@cloud85.net
Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories
On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:50:02 +0200 Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Not all of us have convenient access to a high speed internet connection. Back in the day I used to download a version of Debian over a 56K modem (that rarely achieved those speeds) I used to set it to downloading around midnight and get up the next morning and it was usually finished or almost and if it had stopped in the night I just restarted at that point, but it did get done and the ISP didn't complain. Of course I don't know what kind of data transfer restrictions you may be subject to if any but patience is still free. -- CK -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ae30ugfjqm...@mid.individual.net
Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories
I used Debian Linux for a number of years. I recently got a new HP computer running Windows 7, which gave me minimal problems, aside from annoyances (Microrsoft is very good at being annoying.) Anyway, I expect to return to Linux very soon (not Debian, but Aptosid, since it's more up to date.) I have a high speed connection but I will be starting from a CD. Do you have any suggestions? --Stephen Mazurek On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Charles Kroeger ckro...@frankensteinface.com wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:50:02 +0200 Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Not all of us have convenient access to a high speed internet connection. Back in the day I used to download a version of Debian over a 56K modem (that rarely achieved those speeds) I used to set it to downloading around midnight and get up the next morning and it was usually finished or almost and if it had stopped in the night I just restarted at that point, but it did get done and the ISP didn't complain. Of course I don't know what kind of data transfer restrictions you may be subject to if any but patience is still free. -- CK -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ae30ugfjqm...@mid.individual.net
Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories
Richard Owlett wrote: Not all of us have convenient access to a high speed internet connection. yep, same here, Dialup... which is a real step down from DSL. I can have limited access to high speed access by carrying one of my laptops to the local library. I don't find downloading more than a live-CD feasible due to bandwidth limits they set to provide maximum usage for maximum number of users. i take the USB stick to the library and that is much easier to download and change than burning CDs. Even the live-CD doesn't give me a functioning system as it does not include a dialer for an analog modem. I solved _*MY*_ problem by purchasing the 8 DVD set of install disks. that is what i did when i needed to start from scratch again. once i was installed and working then i've been following testing since using the modem most of the time and only going into the library with the USB stick for the really large files (over 32Mb). otherwise i fire it up later when people won't complain so much about not being able to call and let it run when i'm snoozing or reading. songbird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/318uk9-eut@id-306963.user.uni-berlin.de
