Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
> Try xpdf, but be aware it doesn't support forms nor other special stuff > in PDF like video. qpdfview is awfully simple. #apt install qpdfview (does well with trixie and sid) It prints well with CUPS that provides a driver for my Kyocera FS-920 b laser printer. That printer is 15 years old. For the first 10 years there was no driver for it. (generic laser printer) The older your printer is the better it will work with CUPS. -- CK
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
On 12/6/23 9:06 PM, Bert Riding wrote: On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 14:30:01 +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote: I use zathura which is also quite light but I'm not sure if you can print from it. I tend to print directly using lp although very infrequently in any case. In zathura :print brings up the Gtk+ print dialog. (So does ctrl-P). And when I click on Preview the dialog box just closes. Maybe any comments here will help me configure Preview which stopped working many versions of Zathura ago. I've just been using "Print to File" for now to determine if the document will fit my paper. TIA, Paul
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 14:30:01 +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote: > I use zathura which is also quite light but I'm not sure if you can > print from it. I tend to print directly using lp although very > infrequently in any case. In zathura :print brings up the Gtk+ print dialog.
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
On 06/12/2023 12:14, tomas wrote: Debian Bullseye here. Xpdf links against libpoppler102, which has GPLv2 or V3, same as xpdf. Perhaps fact checking of the following is required. Gnome forked xpdf to have a library (poppler) for a PDF viewer (evince). For security reasons Debian maintainers are against of slightly different copies of the same code. Including xpdf-3, it was painful, but still manageable to adjust xpdf code for poppler. Since that time the upstream project released xpdf-4. It is packaged for Arch, but it is unlikely that it will appear in Debian since the code diverged even more making UI part hardly compatible with poppler.
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
On Wed, 6 Dec 2023 06:14:00 +0100 wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2023 at 05:01:37PM -0500, Paul M Foster wrote: [...] I've used Xpdf from Arch, and it's an entirely different program. My understanding was that the Arch version depended on poppler. I can only imagine that the version in Debian is different because there is a licensing issue with the poppler code. Just a guess. Debian Bullseye here. Xpdf links against libpoppler102, which has GPLv2 or V3, same as xpdf. Cheers Echt simpel die bei Raspian. Und winzig.- Und sogar bunt!
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
On Tue, Dec 05, 2023 at 05:01:37PM -0500, Paul M Foster wrote: [...] > I've used Xpdf from Arch, and it's an entirely different program. My > understanding was that the Arch version depended on poppler. I can only > imagine that the version in Debian is different because there is a > licensing issue with the poppler code. Just a guess. Debian Bullseye here. Xpdf links against libpoppler102, which has GPLv2 or V3, same as xpdf. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
On Wed, Dec 06, 2023 at 12:09:09AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 05/12/2023 18:30, Tom Browder wrote: > > When I manually print via Evince It seems to sometimes change important > > settings like page scaling and orientation. > > I had an impression that GUI print dialog may remember some settings from > its previous invocation. Unsure if it is relevant to evince. > > I believed that CUPS stack is based on PDF while earlier PostScript was > used. Filters used to get output specific to particular printers use poppler > library. (I do not see direct dependency on poppler in evince despite I > expected it). Poppler was forked from xpdf. Current upstream xpdf-4 version > is a qt application while v3 in Debian has Xt GUI and some issues with > non-latin scripts. Xpdf-3 is fast for text documents, but may be slow in the > case of large JPEG images. I've used Xpdf from Arch, and it's an entirely different program. My understanding was that the Arch version depended on poppler. I can only imagine that the version in Debian is different because there is a licensing issue with the poppler code. Just a guess. -- Paul M. Foster Personal Blog: http://noferblatz.com Company Site: http://quillandmouse.com Software Projects: https://gitlab.com/paulmfoster
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 7:12 AM Mike Castle wrote: ... > You could be missing a package that evince expects to be there, but > there is a missing dependency (likely, making it a Debian problem). I think you're onto something. I installed both Okular and Xpdf, exercised them, and remembered why I wasn't fond of them. I just removed them both and Evince no longer is putting out the error messages. Sounds like a Debian bug as you said. > However, there is another site listed in the man page: > https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evince/issues , and that does appear to That works great, thanks! I'm so glad it's still being maintained. > Chrome supports PDFs natively. Also, before I started using evince, I > used to use gv (based on ghostview) quite a bit.. Yes, I used gv and gvv a lot when I was developing PostScript products heavily. They were very useful. > The following seems to list most of the various programs discussed in this > thread, plus a > couple of others: > apt-cache search pdf-viewer Thanks so much Mike! And also many thanks to all my Debian friends who answered. I think my side of this thread is done now. "Merry Christmas to all and t all a good night!" -Tom
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
On 6/12/23 01:09, Max Nikulin wrote: I believed that CUPS stack is based on PDF while earlier PostScript was used. I recently wrote a user space CUPS driver for a thermal printer. At the point I get to process the print data it has already been rasterised into a bitmap. My impression is that CUPS takes whatever it is given to print and either passes it transparently to a device that can handle it, e.g. a pdf printer, or rasterises it and passes a bitmap. I did not see any sign that CUPS goes through an intermediate PDF or PS stage. Also of note is the entire CUPS API is deprecated. I'm not sure what is to replace it but whatever it is, it is not mainstream yet.
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
On 05/12/2023 18:30, Tom Browder wrote: When I manually print via Evince It seems to sometimes change important settings like page scaling and orientation. I had an impression that GUI print dialog may remember some settings from its previous invocation. Unsure if it is relevant to evince. I believed that CUPS stack is based on PDF while earlier PostScript was used. Filters used to get output specific to particular printers use poppler library. (I do not see direct dependency on poppler in evince despite I expected it). Poppler was forked from xpdf. Current upstream xpdf-4 version is a qt application while v3 in Debian has Xt GUI and some issues with non-latin scripts. Xpdf-3 is fast for text documents, but may be slow in the case of large JPEG images. I have heard that some PDF viewers may generate another PDF file (simplified one?) when print is requested, however it may be a false statement.
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
On 12/5/23 6:23 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote: I use zathura which is also quite light but I'm not sure if you can print from it. I tend to print directly using lp although very infrequently in any case. I do a lot of printing from zathura but have had trouble setting up print preview.. Paul
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
I use zathura which is also quite light but I'm not sure if you can print from it. I tend to print directly using lp although very infrequently in any case. -- Eric S Fraga via gnus (Emacs 30.0.50 2023-09-14) on Debian 12.2
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 17:12 Tom Browder wrote: > I have used Evince as my PDF viewer and printer program for many I see I need to read the CUPS man page more closely. It looks like it has most all of the answers I need for my current situation. Thanks to all who responded. Happy Christmas! -Tom
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 01:14 Marco Moock wrote: > Am 04.12.2023 um 17:12:28 Uhr schrieb Tom Browder: > > > I would like to use another program which is similar but has good > > documentation. I don't need a heavy duty program like LibreOffice, > > Just something for viewing and printing. > > Try xpdf, but be aware it doesn't support forms nor other special stuff > in PDF like video. I don't need heavy duty. Thanks, Marco. > -Tom
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 02:06 Paul M Foster wrote: > On Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 05:12:28PM -0600, Tom Browder wrote: > > > I have used Evince as my PDF viewer and printer program for many > > years. It still works, but it has been spitting out error messages for > > a very long time. to wit: > > > > (evince:81435): EvinceView-CRITICAL **: 16:44:57.520: \ > > ev_pixbuf_cache_set_selection_list: \ > > assertion 'EV_IS_PIXBUF_CACHE (pixbuf_cache)' failed > > > > The help option doesn't shed any light to me, but it does reference > > the website. However, every time I've tried the site throws an error. > > That also has been happening for a LONG time. > > > > I would like to use another program which is similar but has good > > documentation. I don't need a heavy duty program like LibreOffice, > > Just something for viewing and printing. > > > > A bonus would be one with documented CLI use with CUPS printers. > > > > Thanks for any recommendations. > > > > Best regards, > > > > -Tom > > > > I use xpdf, which is extremely simple and will allow printing. Don't think > it has a CLI interface. However, I would imagine that simply feeding a PDF > to the printer should work for printing. I could be wrong, though. When I mean CLI i want a means to **reliably** control settings for my CUPS printer. When I manually print via Evince It seems to sometimes change important settings like page scaling and orientation. And, if it wasn't obvious, the long-time lack of documentation for Evince is a major pain point. Thanks, Paul. -Tom
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
On Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 05:12:28PM -0600, Tom Browder wrote: > I would like to use another program which is similar but has good > documentation. I don't need a heavy duty program like LibreOffice, > Just something for viewing and printing. > Hi Tom: I recommend Okular. Has KDE dependencies, but IMHO is the best PDF reader (default) on GNU/Linux FWIW.
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
Tom Browder wrote: > I would like to use another program which is similar but has good > documentation. I don't need a heavy duty program like LibreOffice, > Just something for viewing and printing. Don't know, if it fits your requirements, but I'm using frequently: chromium Though chromium is a web browser, it can display PDFs quiet properly and can fillout formulars, print PDFs, etc. For my daily reading I want a lightweight viewer, so I use evince, but for filling out formulars I use chromium. Best regards, Klaus. -- Klaus Singvogel GnuPG-Key-ID: 1024R/5068792D 1994-06-27
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 17:12:28 -0600 Tom Browder wrote: I have used Evince as my PDF viewer and printer program for many years. It still works, but it has been spitting out error messages for a very long time. to wit: (evince:81435): EvinceView-CRITICAL **: 16:44:57.520: \ ev_pixbuf_cache_set_selection_list: \ assertion 'EV_IS_PIXBUF_CACHE (pixbuf_cache)' failed The help option doesn't shed any light to me, but it does reference the website. However, every time I've tried the site throws an error. That also has been happening for a LONG time. I would like to use another program which is similar but has good documentation. I don't need a heavy duty program like LibreOffice, Just something for viewing and printing. A bonus would be one with documented CLI use with CUPS printers. Thanks for any recommendations. Best regards, -Tom Okular, Xpdf?
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
Am 04.12.2023 um 17:12:28 Uhr schrieb Tom Browder: > I would like to use another program which is similar but has good > documentation. I don't need a heavy duty program like LibreOffice, > Just something for viewing and printing. Try xpdf, but be aware it doesn't support forms nor other special stuff in PDF like video.
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
Am 04.12.2023 um 19:19:37 Uhr schrieb Paul M Foster: > Don't think it has a CLI interface. However, I would imagine that > simply feeding a PDF to the printer should work for printing. I could > be wrong, though. IIRC that depends on the printer. Simply running lpr file.pdf didn't work for my printers.
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
On 12/4/23 19:20, Paul M Foster wrote: On Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 05:12:28PM -0600, Tom Browder wrote: I have used Evince as my PDF viewer and printer program for many years. It still works, but it has been spitting out error messages for a very long time. to wit: (evince:81435): EvinceView-CRITICAL **: 16:44:57.520: \ ev_pixbuf_cache_set_selection_list: \ assertion 'EV_IS_PIXBUF_CACHE (pixbuf_cache)' failed The help option doesn't shed any light to me, but it does reference the website. However, every time I've tried the site throws an error. That also has been happening for a LONG time. I would like to use another program which is similar but has good documentation. I don't need a heavy duty program like LibreOffice, Just something for viewing and printing. A bonus would be one with documented CLI use with CUPS printers. Thanks for any recommendations. Best regards, -Tom I use xpdf, which is extremely simple and will allow printing. Don't think it has a CLI interface. However, I would imagine that simply feeding a PDF to the printer should work for printing. I could be wrong, though. Paul And I've used okular, which is much like evince. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
I use Evince probably once a week or so from the command line. I do not see that error, though I think I have in the past. I suspect that if you are seeing those issues with the current bookworm release, it is likely a problem local to you. You could be missing a package that evince expects to be there, but there is a missing dependency (likely, making it a Debian problem). You could have configured something some time ago that no longer makes sense, either Gnome based as a whole, something local to Evince, etc, or a cache corruption (which makes it a local issue which could be a challenge to track down). Or a good old fashioned bug somewhere along the line (perhaps making it a Gnome/Evince bug). One URL from the man page, http://www.gnome.org/projects/evince/, seems to go through a series of JavaScript based redirects to end up at https://apps.gnome.org. That does give a GitLab based 404 error. I'm not sure if that is the "throws an error" situation you were referring to or not. Possibly related, https://circle.gnome.org gives the same 404. Both of those links are listed in the footer of https:///www.gnome.org/. However, there is another site listed in the man page: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evince/issues , and that does appear to work. That might be another venue you can try if you want to resolve the issue instead of abandoning Evince. As far as alternatives, I think both current versions of Firefox and Chrome support PDFs natively. Also, before I started using evince, I used to use gv (based on ghostview) quite a bit. The following seems to list most of the various programs discussed in this thread, plus a couple of others: apt-cache search pdf-viewer mrc
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
On Mon 04/12/2023 at 23:12, Tom Browder wrote:
> I have used Evince as my PDF viewer and printer program for many
> years. It still works, but it has been spitting out error messages for
> a very long time. to wit:
>
> (evince:81435): EvinceView-CRITICAL **: 16:44:57.520: \
> ev_pixbuf_cache_set_selection_list: \
> assertion 'EV_IS_PIXBUF_CACHE (pixbuf_cache)' failed
>
> The help option doesn't shed any light to me, but it does reference
> the website. However, every time I've tried the site throws an error.
> That also has been happening for a LONG time.
>
> I would like to use another program which is similar but has good
> documentation. I don't need a heavy duty program like LibreOffice,
> Just something for viewing and printing.
>
Hi Tom,
I find Atril and Okular to be capable viewers, both with CLI options detailed
in
$ man {atril|okular}
I sometimes find Atril less than snappy in displaying (and repainting)
graphic-intensive PDFs.
> A bonus would be one with documented CLI use with CUPS printers.
What do you want to do that can't be done with (for example)
$ lp file.pdf
?
I'm not sure what you mean by "CLI use with CUPS printers".
$ man evince
includes
"Print preview options [...]
--print-settings %s %f
This sends the full path of the PDF file, f, and the settings of
the print dialog, s, to evince."
If that was what you meant, I note there seems to be no equivalent documented
for atril or okular, but I don't quite understand how "%s" is to be
identified/specified etc. Some other application's print dialog?
Perhaps you or other(s) can enlighten me.
Thanks,
Gareth
Re: Recommended simple PDF viewer to replace Evince
On Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 05:12:28PM -0600, Tom Browder wrote: > I have used Evince as my PDF viewer and printer program for many > years. It still works, but it has been spitting out error messages for > a very long time. to wit: > > (evince:81435): EvinceView-CRITICAL **: 16:44:57.520: \ > ev_pixbuf_cache_set_selection_list: \ > assertion 'EV_IS_PIXBUF_CACHE (pixbuf_cache)' failed > > The help option doesn't shed any light to me, but it does reference > the website. However, every time I've tried the site throws an error. > That also has been happening for a LONG time. > > I would like to use another program which is similar but has good > documentation. I don't need a heavy duty program like LibreOffice, > Just something for viewing and printing. > > A bonus would be one with documented CLI use with CUPS printers. > > Thanks for any recommendations. > > Best regards, > > -Tom > I use xpdf, which is extremely simple and will allow printing. Don't think it has a CLI interface. However, I would imagine that simply feeding a PDF to the printer should work for printing. I could be wrong, though. Paul -- Paul M. Foster Personal Blog: http://noferblatz.com Company Site: http://quillandmouse.com Software Projects: https://gitlab.com/paulmfoster
