Re: Silicon Image 3114 and Seagate?
Hi Gene, Am 2005-12-19 10:43:47, schrieb Gene Heskett: On Monday 19 December 2005 09:39, Gene Heskett wrote: And I made a post to this list, instantly answered by a 5kb chunk of undecipherable html from [EMAIL PROTECTED]. How the hell do we get rid of this? You got ONLY one? - I have gotten several 1000'. Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Silicon Image 3114 and Seagate?
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005, Roberto Sanchez wrote: You did not specify whether I should be looking for a drive with NCQ or without NCQ. :-) Look for information on the SIL 3114. I don't own one, so I wouldn't know. I know that, for my ICH5R boards, I need SATA 150 because of chipset problems (I searched and read the errata datasheet from Intel), and NCQ won't make a difference at all (because the chip doesn't implement TCQ or NCQ). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856152018 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148065 Do you think that I may run into problems with these? No idea. As I said, do the homework in google :-( I just pointed it out to you that a Barracuda is not the same as other Barracuda unless you remember to also ask the model. The ones in that blacklist in the kernel are ancient drives as far as these things go :P So that blacklist is not worth much for making a decision. I'd get one of the newer 7200.8 (NCQ), there is no reason to believe the 7200.9 would give you any advantage, and there might be compatibility problems, and the NCQ versions of the 7200.8 have newer firmware _and_ are newer drives so you get more warranty out of them :P Why don't you test the drives in the platform first, before buying them? -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Silicon Image 3114 and Seagate?
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 08:59:25AM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Mon, 19 Dec 2005, Roberto Sanchez wrote: You did not specify whether I should be looking for a drive with NCQ or without NCQ. :-) Look for information on the SIL 3114. I don't own one, so I wouldn't know. I know that, for my ICH5R boards, I need SATA 150 because of chipset problems (I searched and read the errata datasheet from Intel), and NCQ won't make a difference at all (because the chip doesn't implement TCQ or NCQ). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856152018 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148065 Do you think that I may run into problems with these? No idea. As I said, do the homework in google :-( I just pointed it out to you that a Barracuda is not the same as other Barracuda unless you remember to also ask the model. The ones in that blacklist in the kernel are ancient drives as far as these things go :P So that blacklist is not worth much for making a decision. I'd get one of the newer 7200.8 (NCQ), there is no reason to believe the 7200.9 would give you any advantage, and there might be compatibility problems, and the NCQ versions of the 7200.8 have newer firmware _and_ are newer drives so you get more warranty out of them :P Why don't you test the drives in the platform first, before buying them? Just for a datapoint, I'm using two of the ST3250823AS models (the cuda 7200.8s that do support NCQ) on a 3112, and they work beautifully. IIRC the 3114 is only different from the 3112 in that it has four ports instead of two (correct me if I'm wrong of course) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Silicon Image 3114 and Seagate?
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, Roberto Sanchez wrote: search [0], I am a bit hesitant to get that combination. Does anyone on the list have any firsthand experience with Barracuda drives on a 3114 controller? What have you encountered? Bad question. You need to know exactly *WHICH* Barracuda drives you are talking about, and which people are talking about when they reply to you. Don't expect 7200.9 Barracudas (SATA 300) to work fine with some broken SATA 150 chipsets (such as Intel ICH5/ICH5R). They *may* work, or they may fail to work (but at least if it is a 300/150 issue, it is an all-or-nothing, so no data loss). 7200.8 have NCQ and non-NCQ versions, so you need to know which you're dealing with as well. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Silicon Image 3114 and Seagate?
On Monday 19 December 2005 09:31, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, Roberto Sanchez wrote: search [0], I am a bit hesitant to get that combination. Does anyone on the list have any firsthand experience with Barracuda drives on a 3114 controller? What have you encountered? Bad question. You need to know exactly *WHICH* Barracuda drives you are talking about, and which people are talking about when they reply to you. Don't expect 7200.9 Barracudas (SATA 300) to work fine with some broken SATA 150 chipsets (such as Intel ICH5/ICH5R). They *may* work, or they may fail to work (but at least if it is a 300/150 issue, it is an all-or-nothing, so no data loss). 7200.8 have NCQ and non-NCQ versions, so you need to know which you're dealing with as well. Ok, so when standing in front of the case at Circuit City comtemplating the purchase of one of these firebreathers, what are the keywords to look for on the box so you don't get a super picky one? -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should use this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Silicon Image 3114 and Seagate?
On Monday 19 December 2005 09:39, Gene Heskett wrote: And I made a post to this list, instantly answered by a 5kb chunk of undecipherable html from [EMAIL PROTECTED]. How the hell do we get rid of this? On Monday 19 December 2005 09:31, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, Roberto Sanchez wrote: search [0], I am a bit hesitant to get that combination. Does anyone on the list have any firsthand experience with Barracuda drives on a 3114 controller? What have you encountered? Bad question. You need to know exactly *WHICH* Barracuda drives you are talking about, and which people are talking about when they reply to you. Don't expect 7200.9 Barracudas (SATA 300) to work fine with some broken SATA 150 chipsets (such as Intel ICH5/ICH5R). They *may* work, or they may fail to work (but at least if it is a 300/150 issue, it is an all-or-nothing, so no data loss). 7200.8 have NCQ and non-NCQ versions, so you need to know which you're dealing with as well. Ok, so when standing in front of the case at Circuit City comtemplating the purchase of one of these firebreathers, what are the keywords to look for on the box so you don't get a super picky one? -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should use this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should use this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Silicon Image 3114 and Seagate?
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005, Gene Heskett wrote: And I made a post to this list, instantly answered by a 5kb chunk of undecipherable html from [EMAIL PROTECTED]. How the hell do we get rid of this? - add the bozo to the reject list of your mta - do not buy goods/services from that entity :-) c ya alvin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Silicon Image 3114 and Seagate?
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 10:29:15AM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
search [0], I am a bit hesitant to get that combination. Does anyone on
the list have any firsthand experience with Barracuda drives on a 3114
controller? What have you encountered?
Here's the blacklist of seagate drives from
linux-2.6.13/drivers/scsi/sata_sil.c:
/* TODO firmware versions should be added - eric */
static const struct sil_drivelist {
const char * product;
unsigned int quirk;
} sil_blacklist [] = {
{ ST320012AS, SIL_QUIRK_MOD15WRITE },
{ ST330013AS, SIL_QUIRK_MOD15WRITE },
{ ST340017AS, SIL_QUIRK_MOD15WRITE },
{ ST360015AS, SIL_QUIRK_MOD15WRITE },
{ ST380013AS, SIL_QUIRK_MOD15WRITE },
{ ST380023AS, SIL_QUIRK_MOD15WRITE },
{ ST3120023AS,SIL_QUIRK_MOD15WRITE },
{ ST3160023AS,SIL_QUIRK_MOD15WRITE },
{ ST3120026AS,SIL_QUIRK_MOD15WRITE },
{ ST3200822AS,SIL_QUIRK_MOD15WRITE },
{ ST340014ASL,SIL_QUIRK_MOD15WRITE },
{ ST360014ASL,SIL_QUIRK_MOD15WRITE },
{ ST380011ASL,SIL_QUIRK_MOD15WRITE },
{ ST3120022ASL, SIL_QUIRK_MOD15WRITE },
{ ST3160021ASL, SIL_QUIRK_MOD15WRITE },
{ Maxtor 4D060H3, SIL_QUIRK_UDMA5MAX },
{ }
};
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Re: Silicon Image 3114 and Seagate?
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, Roberto Sanchez wrote: search [0], I am a bit hesitant to get that combination. Does anyone on the list have any firsthand experience with Barracuda drives on a 3114 controller? What have you encountered? Bad question. You need to know exactly *WHICH* Barracuda drives you are talking about, and which people are talking about when they reply to you. Don't expect 7200.9 Barracudas (SATA 300) to work fine with some broken SATA 150 chipsets (such as Intel ICH5/ICH5R). They *may* work, or they may fail to work (but at least if it is a 300/150 issue, it is an all-or-nothing, so no data loss). 7200.8 have NCQ and non-NCQ versions, so you need to know which you're dealing with as well. You did not specify whether I should be looking for a drive with NCQ or without NCQ. :-) Anyhow, I am considering combining these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856152018 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148065 Do you think that I may run into problems with these? -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Silicon Image 3114 and Seagate?
Hi Roberto, On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, Roberto Sanchez wrote: I am getting ready to purchase a system that has the Silicon Image 3114 SATA controller. I understand that it is well supported, even by the default kernel in Sarge. However, I was also planning on getting some Seagate Barracuda drives. Based on some things I found via a Google search [0], I am a bit hesitant to get that combination. Does anyone on the list have any firsthand experience with Barracuda drives on a 3114 controller? What have you encountered? I have three systems on Tyan S2875 (Dual Opteron) boards with sil 3114 chips all carrying 4 Barracuda drives. Two have had no problems. The other is the oldest and has had a variety of issues. I lately flashed the bios to the latest version and installed amd64 etch from the beta install image (2.6.12 I believe) and things have been stable since. Regards, Don Don Hayward ISDIV [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mote Marine Laboratory Office: 941.388.4441x403 Cell: 941.350.8503 1600 Ken Thompson Parkway Fax: 941.388.4312 Sarasota, FL 34236 See: http://www.mote.org Independent, non-profit, marine and estuarine research and education facility. use DISCLAIMER; # We run Debian Linux Ordinary men and women have a right to peace, material comfort, self-respect, and a touch of joy in living. Eric F. Goldman, [1915-1989] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Silicon Image 3114 and Seagate?
Don Hayward wrote: Hi Roberto, On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, Roberto Sanchez wrote: I am getting ready to purchase a system that has the Silicon Image 3114 SATA controller. I understand that it is well supported, even by the default kernel in Sarge. However, I was also planning on getting some Seagate Barracuda drives. Based on some things I found via a Google search [0], I am a bit hesitant to get that combination. Does anyone on the list have any firsthand experience with Barracuda drives on a 3114 controller? What have you encountered? I have three systems on Tyan S2875 (Dual Opteron) boards with sil 3114 chips all carrying 4 Barracuda drives. Two have had no problems. The other is the oldest and has had a variety of issues. I lately flashed the bios to the latest version and installed amd64 etch from the beta install image (2.6.12 I believe) and things have been stable since. OK. Thanks. I am getting ready to buy a couple of GX28 (2882 based) systems. I am glad to hear that they work. Since I am getting newer drives and newer systems, I imagine that I should not have any trouble. However, to be clear, you are running Sarge on these systems? Also, did you run into any trouble with the installer detecting anything? I was planning on doing the Sarge amd64 netinstall. I have read conflicting reports about compatibility with the broadcom ethernet devices. Was that an issue for you? Thanks very much for your time and insight. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Silicon Image 3114 and Seagate?
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, Roberto Sanchez wrote: Don Hayward wrote: Hi Roberto, On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, Roberto Sanchez wrote: I am getting ready to purchase a system that has the Silicon Image 3114 SATA controller. I understand that it is well supported, even by the default kernel in Sarge. However, I was also planning on getting some Seagate Barracuda drives. Based on some things I found via a Google search [0], I am a bit hesitant to get that combination. Does anyone on the list have any firsthand experience with Barracuda drives on a 3114 controller? What have you encountered? I have three systems on Tyan S2875 (Dual Opteron) boards with sil 3114 chips all carrying 4 Barracuda drives. Two have had no problems. The other is the oldest and has had a variety of issues. I lately flashed the bios to the latest version and installed amd64 etch from the beta install image (2.6.12 I believe) and things have been stable since. OK. Thanks. I am getting ready to buy a couple of GX28 (2882 based) systems. I am glad to hear that they work. Since I am getting newer drives and newer systems, I imagine that I should not have any trouble. However, to be clear, you are running Sarge on these systems? Two are etch, one is sarge. The sarge and one etch started out as sid before the sarge release. The sarge was downgraded to sarge after release. The reinstall has always been etch. Also, did you run into any trouble with the installer detecting anything? I was planning on doing the Sarge amd64 netinstall. I have read conflicting reports about compatibility with the broadcom ethernet devices. Was that an Sorry, I have no experience with broadcom -- My LAN interfaces are Intel 82541 which gave no problem. Don Don Hayward ISDIV [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mote Marine Laboratory Office: 941.388.4441x403 Cell: 941.350.8503 1600 Ken Thompson Parkway Fax: 941.388.4312 Sarasota, FL 34236 See: http://www.mote.org Independent, non-profit, marine and estuarine research and education facility. use DISCLAIMER; # We run Debian Linux Ordinary men and women have a right to peace, material comfort, self-respect, and a touch of joy in living. Eric F. Goldman, [1915-1989] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Silicon Image 3114 and Seagate?
Don Hayward wrote: Two are etch, one is sarge. The sarge and one etch started out as sid before the sarge release. The sarge was downgraded to sarge after release. The reinstall has always been etch. OK. That's what I needed to know. Sorry, I have no experience with broadcom -- My LAN interfaces are Intel 82541 which gave no problem. I was under the impression that all TYAN boards had broadcom LAN interfaces. Thanks again. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Silicon Image 3114 and Seagate?
Roberto Sanchez wrote: I am getting ready to purchase a system that has the Silicon Image 3114 SATA controller. I understand that it is well supported, even by the default kernel in Sarge. However, I was also planning on getting some Seagate Barracuda drives. Based on some things I found via a Google search [0], I am a bit hesitant to get that combination. Does anyone on the list have any firsthand experience with Barracuda drives on a 3114 controller? What have you encountered? -Roberto [0] http://www.google.com/search?hl=esq=linux+3114+seagatebtnG=B%C3%BAsqueda+en+Googlelr= I think that Seagate would have just about anything catered for. Might be an idea to check out the latest, though. They may be a little expensive, but with the space they save, that's money in the bank, dependent on your application. http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q4/seagate-7200.9/index.x?pg=1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Silicon Image 3114 and Seagate?
Katipo wrote: I think that Seagate would have just about anything catered for. Might be an idea to check out the latest, though. They may be a little expensive, but with the space they save, that's money in the bank, dependent on your application. http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q4/seagate-7200.9/index.x?pg=1 That looks good. However, the .9 series are 3.0 Gb/s drives and the system I am getting has the Silicon Image 3114 controller, which only supports SATA-150. I don't think I can justify the extra expense to get the .9 drives. But thanks for the pointer. I'll keep them in mind if I get a system that supports that speed. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
