Re: The big, the bloated and the hungry
On 9/18/18 6:56 PM, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > Used Twm in those days :-) still available I believe. Still available, still fast, and still in use if I trust windows decorations illustrating that work on window scaling: https://keithp.com/blogs/window-scaling/ I haven't used it a lot but I recall having had difficulties with its ergonomics. The program is indeed still available in the package “twm”. On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 9:41 AM Celejar wrote: > https://distro.ibiblio.org/baslinux/ Tinkering a bit with BasicLinux in Qemu, I confirm it is interesting to see how the system fits in the human mind: - /etc listing that fits in the screen - `ps aux` output after boot too - simple X programs spawning rxvt terms to show messages, configuration, calendars. Simple design is simple. The catch with the default X server “Xvesa” was that it had very few modes available, and a recommendation was to use the “Xserver” implementation provided in Slackware 4 if the screen was somewhere between supported modes, if this document is right: https://distro.ibiblio.org/baslinux/xvesa.html Thanks Celejar for the pointer! Kind Regards, -- Étienne Mollier
Re: The big, the bloated and the hungry
Just bragging. First booted linux on a 40MHz PS/2 Model 50 with 8MB RAM. It took X Windows about 10 minutes to start, but it was fully responsive once it was up. Used Twm in those days :-) still available I believe. I rebuilt the kernel once to add a driver. It took 2.5 days, but succeeded and booted. The distro was Linux Universe from the German publisher Springer. Prosit! Opaa! On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 9:41 AM Celejar wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 11:21:03 +0200 > Étienne Mollier wrote: > > ... > > > My first GNU/Linux computer ran a Mandriva 2007 (released late > > 2006) operating system, shipping by default with KDE 3.5. The > > box itself was some junk from early 2000 with average hardware > > even from these days standards. > > > > It is cool having seen that kind of user interface run on a AMD > > K6, 256 MiB RAM and 4 GiB of disk space for /, /home and the > > swap: > > > > https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/images/a/ac/Screenshot2-1.jpg > > My first GNU/Linux system was BasicLinux, essentially a "Live > F[loppy]DD" distribution. It's a whole 2.8MB, and runs off two > floppies. I don't recall the exact details of its X implementation, but > I still vividly remember the thrill I felt that first time when, after > modprobing (or insmoding?) the appropriate ethernet driver and then > configuring and bringing up the interface, I had a working *nix system > with a working network connection! > > https://distro.ibiblio.org/baslinux/ > > Celejar >
Re: The big, the bloated and the hungry
On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 11:21:03 +0200 Étienne Mollier wrote: ... > My first GNU/Linux computer ran a Mandriva 2007 (released late > 2006) operating system, shipping by default with KDE 3.5. The > box itself was some junk from early 2000 with average hardware > even from these days standards. > > It is cool having seen that kind of user interface run on a AMD > K6, 256 MiB RAM and 4 GiB of disk space for /, /home and the > swap: > > https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/images/a/ac/Screenshot2-1.jpg My first GNU/Linux system was BasicLinux, essentially a "Live F[loppy]DD" distribution. It's a whole 2.8MB, and runs off two floppies. I don't recall the exact details of its X implementation, but I still vividly remember the thrill I felt that first time when, after modprobing (or insmoding?) the appropriate ethernet driver and then configuring and bringing up the interface, I had a working *nix system with a working network connection! https://distro.ibiblio.org/baslinux/ Celejar
Re: The big, the bloated and the hungry
Good Day Thakur, 15.09.2018, 11:16, "Étienne Mollier" : > Gene Heskett on 2018-09-15T10:04 CEST: > > On Saturday 15 September 2018 02:40:14 Erik Christiansen wrote: > > > Kdon't kget kme kstarted kon KDE. > > > > Thats why I run TDE. > > If you wish software that sucks less, you might wish to > consider building your own : > >https://suckless.org > > That's what I do for some time now, on top of Debian Sid. > :-) Le 2018-09-15 10:51, Thakur Mahashaya a écrit : Hi, everybody... this only on Debian Sid ? Well, there are a few packages available in Debian Stable for a few versions: - dwm, - stterm, (called this way as it formerly conflicted with a tape reading program called "st", I believe) - surf, - suckless-tools. But if you were wishing to configure them, even a tiny bit, you would have to rebuild them from source anyway, as they configure through a C header file "config.h". You should be able to build these tools on any GNU/Linux distribution as long as they are able to provide the build dependencies. So, not only on Sid to answer your question. :-) Kind Regards, -- Étienne Mollier
Re: The big, the bloated and the hungry (Was: ext2 for /boot ???)
Hi, everybody... this only on Debian Sid ? 15.09.2018, 13:37, "Thakur Mahashaya" : > Hi, everybody... > this only on ...? > > 15.09.2018, 11:16, "Étienne Mollier" : >> Good Day, >> >> Gene Heskett on 2018-09-15T10:04 CEST: >>> On Saturday 15 September 2018 02:40:14 Erik Christiansen wrote: >>> > GUI stuff now runs slower than back then, and developers >>> > futz with look and feel, without adding life-enriching new >>> > functionality. I stopped upgrading Eagle years ago, as its >>> > UI just became harder to use. And Firefox/Iceweasel is slow >>> > as a wet week, sometimes crashes, and is mostly a PITA. >>> > Kdon't kget kme kstarted kon KDE. >>> > >>> > At least the fusspots can't stuff up vim, mutt, fetchmail, >>> > procmail, awk, and the other daily basics. >>> >>> Thats why I run TDE. >> >> If you wish software that sucks less, you might wish to consider >> building your own : >> >> https://suckless.org >> >> That's what I do for some time now, on top of Debian Sid. :-) >> >> Kind Regards, >> -- >> Étienne Mollier
Re: The big, the bloated and the hungry (Was: ext2 for /boot ???)
Hi, everybody... > this only on sid? 15.09.2018, 13:37, "Thakur Mahashaya" : > Hi, everybody... > this only on ...? > > 15.09.2018, 11:16, "Étienne Mollier" : >> Good Day, >> >> Gene Heskett on 2018-09-15T10:04 CEST: >>> On Saturday 15 September 2018 02:40:14 Erik Christiansen wrote: >>> > GUI stuff now runs slower than back then, and developers >>> > futz with look and feel, without adding life-enriching new >>> > functionality. I stopped upgrading Eagle years ago, as its >>> > UI just became harder to use. And Firefox/Iceweasel is slow >>> > as a wet week, sometimes crashes, and is mostly a PITA. >>> > Kdon't kget kme kstarted kon KDE. >>> > >>> > At least the fusspots can't stuff up vim, mutt, fetchmail, >>> > procmail, awk, and the other daily basics. >>> >>> Thats why I run TDE. >> >> If you wish software that sucks less, you might wish to consider >> building your own : >> >> https://suckless.org >> >> That's what I do for some time now, on top of Debian Sid. :-) >> >> Kind Regards, >> -- >> Étienne Mollier
Re: The big, the bloated and the hungry (Was: ext2 for /boot ???)
Hi, everybody... this only on ...? 15.09.2018, 11:16, "Étienne Mollier" : > Good Day, > > Gene Heskett on 2018-09-15T10:04 CEST: >> On Saturday 15 September 2018 02:40:14 Erik Christiansen wrote: >> > GUI stuff now runs slower than back then, and developers >> > futz with look and feel, without adding life-enriching new >> > functionality. I stopped upgrading Eagle years ago, as its >> > UI just became harder to use. And Firefox/Iceweasel is slow >> > as a wet week, sometimes crashes, and is mostly a PITA. >> > Kdon't kget kme kstarted kon KDE. >> > >> > At least the fusspots can't stuff up vim, mutt, fetchmail, >> > procmail, awk, and the other daily basics. >> >> Thats why I run TDE. > > If you wish software that sucks less, you might wish to consider > building your own : > > https://suckless.org > > That's what I do for some time now, on top of Debian Sid. :-) > > Kind Regards, > -- > Étienne Mollier
Re: The big, the bloated and the hungry
Felix Miata on 2018-09-15T10:43 (CEST): > KDE3 was stable and efficient, didn't need to be abandoned to > (re)create KDE4 from scratch. In openSUSE, KDE3 remains > available, though a little lighter for having lost most > maintainers and a few packages. TDE, the KDE3 fork, hasn't > lost any of what made KDE3 nice and stable, while acquiring a > few improvements to match morphing technology, keeping > stability, avoiding useless bloat, and not dumbing down its > UI. I must acknowledge the qualities of KDE3, and most probably TDE, My first GNU/Linux computer ran a Mandriva 2007 (released late 2006) operating system, shipping by default with KDE 3.5. The box itself was some junk from early 2000 with average hardware even from these days standards. It is cool having seen that kind of user interface run on a AMD K6, 256 MiB RAM and 4 GiB of disk space for /, /home and the swap: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/images/a/ac/Screenshot2-1.jpg Since then, I left more room for wallpapers and xter^H^H^H^H st terminal emulators... Perhaps I should give a try to TDE one of these days, to bring back memory from my childhood. :-) Kind Regards, -- Étienne Mollier
Re: The big, the bloated and the hungry
Étienne Mollier composed on 2018-09-15 10:15 (UTC+0200): > Gene Heskett on 2018-09-15T10:04 CEST: >> Erik Christiansen wrote: >>> GUI stuff now runs slower than back then, and developers >>> futz with look and feel, without adding life-enriching new >>> functionality. I stopped upgrading Eagle years ago, as its >>> UI just became harder to use. And Firefox/Iceweasel is slow >>> as a wet week, sometimes crashes, and is mostly a PITA. >>> Kdon't kget kme kstarted kon KDE. >>> At least the fusspots can't stuff up vim, mutt, fetchmail, >>> procmail, awk, and the other daily basics. >> Thats why I run TDE. > If you wish software that sucks less, you might wish to consider > building your own : > https://suckless.org > That's what I do for some time now, on top of Debian Sid. :-) KDE3 was stable and efficient, didn't need to be abandoned to (re)create KDE4 from scratch. In openSUSE, KDE3 remains available, though a little lighter for having lost most maintainers and a few packages. TDE, the KDE3 fork, hasn't lost any of what made KDE3 nice and stable, while acquiring a few improvements to match morphing technology, keeping stability, avoiding useless bloat, and not dumbing down its UI. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
