Re: Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 - a beginner's query/request
At 1153952369 past the epoch, Matej Cepl wrote: Just stick this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free and keep running aptitude update; aptitude upgrade from time to time -- when etch will be pronounced stable, you will get your system upgraded automagically. Please note that you are advised to *not do this*, but to *always* read the release notes for the relevant architecture you are updating to (as per Joey's post). For example, woody - sarge required a careful, manual update of aptitude prior to doing the dist-upgrade. Failure to read the notes voids your right for help on lists when you hose your system :-) P.S.: additionally, use a mirror close to you[1] rather than plumping for ftp.au.debian.org. [1] http://www.debian.org/mirror/list -- Jon Dowland http://alcopop.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 - a beginner's query/request
On (31/07/06 12:48), Jon Dowland wrote: At 1153952369 past the epoch, Matej Cepl wrote: Just stick this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free and keep running aptitude update; aptitude upgrade from time to time -- when etch will be pronounced stable, you will get your system upgraded automagically. Please note that you are advised to *not do this*, but to *always* read the release notes for the relevant architecture you are updating to (as per Joey's post). For example, woody - sarge required a careful, manual update of aptitude prior to doing the dist-upgrade. Failure to read the notes voids your right for help on lists when you hose your system :-) P.S.: additionally, use a mirror close to you[1] rather than plumping for ftp.au.debian.org. [1] http://www.debian.org/mirror/list It's also worth retaining 'sarge' in your sources.list until you see how others have fared with the upgrade. That way you'll know what to expect when you go for it :) Regards Clive -- www.clivemenzies.co.uk ... ...strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 - a beginner's query/request
Jon Dowland wrote: Please note that you are advised to *not do this*, but to *always* read the release notes for the relevant you certainly noticed that I had there aptitude upgrade (not dist-upgrade), right? architecture you are updating to (as per Joey's post). For example, woody - sarge required a careful, manual update of aptitude prior to doing the dist-upgrade. And aptitude clearly indicated that it is broken, so you would know what's going on. P.S.: additionally, use a mirror close to you[1] rather than plumping for ftp.au.debian.org. Hmm,... correct, I stand corrected. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 Just remember, brothers and sisters--their skins may be white, but their souls are just as black as ours! -- a black preacher -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 - a beginner's query/request
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 11:13:30AM -0400, Matej Cepl wrote: Jon Dowland wrote: Please note that you are advised to *not do this*, but to *always* read the release notes for the relevant you certainly noticed that I had there aptitude upgrade (not dist-upgrade), right? It should be noted that the names for the operations are somewhat misleading: 'aptitude upgrade' will happily upgrade your packages across release boundaries (i.e., from woody to sarge). If I remember correctly, 'dist-upgrade' got its name because it is smarter about resolving the vast numbers of potentially altered dependencies; thus, it makes upgrading to a new release easier (typically), but it is certainly not the only tool to do it. Good luck, --j signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 - a beginner's query/request
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 11:54:06AM -0400, Juergen Fiedler wrote: On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 11:13:30AM -0400, Matej Cepl wrote: Jon Dowland wrote: Please note that you are advised to *not do this*, but to *always* read the release notes for the relevant you certainly noticed that I had there aptitude upgrade (not dist-upgrade), right? It should be noted that the names for the operations are somewhat misleading: 'aptitude upgrade' will happily upgrade your packages across release boundaries (i.e., from woody to sarge). If I remember correctly, 'dist-upgrade' got its name because it is smarter about resolving the vast numbers of potentially altered dependencies; thus, it makes upgrading to a new release easier (typically), but it is certainly not the only tool to do it. I remember I did the sarge-etch upgrade when etch wasn't stable yet. aptitude dist-upgrade did most of it, but then a few things still remained unupdated. Repeating aptitude dist-upgrade seemed to do the trick. All except a few holdouts whuch succumbed to an aptitude upgrade a few weeks later. Before etch becomes stable, all this kind of glitch should have been ironed out. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 - a beginner's query/request
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 11:54:06AM -0400, Juergen Fiedler wrote: If I remember correctly, 'dist-upgrade' got its name because it is smarter about resolving the vast numbers of potentially altered dependencies... No, it's not any smarter. What would be the use of a dumber vs smarter algorithm? As documented, the difference between the 'upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade' targets is that 'dist-upgrade' allows apt to change the installation state of a package. It can remove packages, and add new ones, in order to reach a dependency solution. -- Marc Wilson | BOFH excuse #271: The kernel license has expired [EMAIL PROTECTED] | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 - a beginner's query/request
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 08:17:34 -0400, hendrik wrote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 07:30:08AM +1000, Felix Karpfen wrote: My thanks also to the other respondents who were good enough to share their experiences. I am especially grateful for the advice from hendrik to keep a copy of the currently-operational system What I said (or should have said) was keep an *operational* copy of the currently-operational system. I actually used extra partitions to store the copy and checked that I could boot it. That is the plan of campaign. Fortunately, thanks to the massive sizes of the current HDs, there is plenty of unused space on the working drive and I have a second drive that is used only for backups (in case the working drive fails). And, of course, a full backup achieves nothing if it cannot be loaded! So changes to lilo.conf and fstab are on the agenda. Thank you for the followup. Felix -- Felix Karpfen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 - a beginner's query/request
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 07:30:08 +1000, Felix Karpfen wrote: [...] I note, from a cursory read, that the dist-upgrade should be run from a console (and not from XWindows). Not as straightforward as it once was, since the system currently defaults to gdm. You can press CTRL + ALT + F1 (or F2 - F6) at the gdm log-in screen and you will switch to a terminal. You can log in there, perform the upgrade as per the instructions on the Debian website and afterwards you run /etc/init.d/gdm restart exit and you will be all set. (I did not follow this thread from the beginning, therefore I might have misunderstood your comment and told you something that you already know.) -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 - a beginner's query/request
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 07:30:08AM +1000, Felix Karpfen wrote: I note, from a cursory read, that the dist-upgrade should be run from a console (and not from XWindows). Not as straightforward as it once was, since the system currently defaults to gdm. Yes. since the upgrade will probably replace X completely, it would be unwise to trust it to keep running through the upgrade. But I have till December at the earliest to iron out the details. My thanks also to the other respondents who were good enough to share their experiences. I am especially grateful for the advice from hendrik to keep a copy of the currently-operational system What I said (or should have said) was keep an *operational* copy of the currently-operational system. I actually used extra partitions to store the copy and checked that I could boot it. And it was well worth it. I ended up booting it and using it to make *another* copy after my first upgrade attempt ran aground. Except for the two times I rebooted to a different partition, my users didn't notice anything special going on during the upgrade! Mind you, they were primarily using it as a gateway for access to the wider internet, but I can't imagine this working with a lot of onther systems I've used. -- hendrik (also mentioned in the release-notes). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 - a beginner's query/request
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:08:27 -0400, Joey Hess wrote ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Felix Karpfen wrote: This posting is an advance-request to include update from Debian 3.1 instructions in the proposed release of Debian 4.0. If existing documentation applies, a relevant URL would suffice. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-newkernel Of course that's the instructions for upgrading _to_ debian 3.1, but you get the point. Thank you. That is _exactly_ what I was was searching for. But I looked in the wrong place! I had assumed - incorrectly - that release notes only document the _changes_ in the supplied new version (and had not read them!). I note, from a cursory read, that the dist-upgrade should be run from a console (and not from XWindows). Not as straightforward as it once was, since the system currently defaults to gdm. But I have till December at the earliest to iron out the details. My thanks also to the other respondents who were good enough to share their experiences. I am especially grateful for the advice from hendrik to keep a copy of the currently-operational system (also mentioned in the release-notes) and the fact - mentioned by Gustavo Franco - that that the desktop tasks differ from the main packages. I also noted (from another posting to this NG) that kernel 2.6.17 plays havoc with the XFS filesystem (which I am using) and that the latest release - 2.6.17.7 - corrects the problem. Again, I suspect that this issue will be fully resolved before the stable version of etch is released. Finally, a repeated hearty thank you to all who were good enough to reply to my query. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 - a beginner's query/request
On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 10:19:29PM -0400, Matej Cepl wrote: Felix Karpfen wrote: This posting is an advance-request to include update from Debian 3.1 instructions in the proposed release of Debian 4.0. If existing documentation applies, a relevant URL would suffice. Just stick this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free and keep running aptitude update; aptitude upgrade from time to time -- when etch will be pronounced stable, you will get your system upgraded automagically. If you want any choice in just *when* the upgrade happend (e.g., not when an important work assignment is due the next morning), don't do this. Keep your sources.list pointing to sarge. Then change it to etch only when you are ready to upgrade. When I do an upgrade, I always keep a complete, working copy of the system on a separate partition (or set of partitions, if necessary). Then if something goes wrong during the upgrade, I can still dual-boot to the old system to get urgent work done. On one of my machines, for example, I ran out of disk space halfway through the upgrade. Also: when the time comes to do the upgrade, read the upgrade instructions before you start. Although in theory a dist-upgrade should do the trick, a specific upgrade may require special actions. For example, the upgrade from woody to sarge required you to upgrade aptitude before the main dist-upgrade. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 - a beginner's query/request
On 7/27/06, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matej Cepl writes: and keep running aptitude update; aptitude upgrade from time to time -- You will want to use 'dist-upgrade' to upgrade from Sarge to Etch. Right, and if you're a desktop user probably you will be happy keeping up with 'desktop' and 'gnome-desktop' or 'kde-desktop' tasks, that can be easily installed using aptitude too. Just run `aptitude install desktop gnome-desktop` after dist-upgrading. Please note that 'gnome-desktop' task is different than gnome and gnome-core metapackages. The metapackages depends on full GNOME suite and just the GNOME essential packages respectively, while 'gnome-desktop' aims a more common desktop, still using GNOME as base. (eg: It depends on OpenOffice and not Abiword). regards, -- stratus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 - a beginner's query/request
Felix Karpfen wrote: This posting is an advance-request to include update from Debian 3.1 instructions in the proposed release of Debian 4.0. If existing documentation applies, a relevant URL would suffice. Debian _always_ provides comprehensive and well-tested upgrade instructions for new releases. See: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes My concern is the upgrade of the kernel. I presume - perhaps incorrectly - that this will need a separate routine. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-newkernel Of course that's the instructions for upgrading _to_ debian 3.1, but you get the point. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 - a beginner's query/request
Felix Karpfen wrote: This posting is an advance-request to include update from Debian 3.1 instructions in the proposed release of Debian 4.0. If existing documentation applies, a relevant URL would suffice. Just stick this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free and keep running aptitude update; aptitude upgrade from time to time -- when etch will be pronounced stable, you will get your system upgraded automagically. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it. -- Mark Twain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 - a beginner's query/request
Matej Cepl writes: and keep running aptitude update; aptitude upgrade from time to time -- You will want to use 'dist-upgrade' to upgrade from Sarge to Etch. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
