Re: What's the std print config tool

2003-03-30 Thread Shyamal Prasad
Lindsay == Lindsay Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Lindsay G'day Bob, Patrick, others, Thank you for your reply but
Lindsay cups seems rather bloated and fickle,I wanted the one
Lindsay installed by the default debian tasksel option is that
Lindsay lpr, lprng or gnulpr? or is one of these or another
Lindsay rather nice  compact and sufficient?  tia Lindsay

A standard woody install will give you 'lpr' as the default print
system. This is the BSD print system (with lpr, lpc, lpd and
friends). There is no easy way to configure this print system by
itself as far as I remember, but since I've quit using it I can't know
for sure. 

I typically used to install apsfilter with lpr. The apsfilter
installation/setup script was pretty good at creating the correct
/etc/printcap file. It would some times take a little hand editing of
/etc/printcap when I was done.  For remote printing I had to read the
documents and edit files by hand. /etc/hosts.lpd is a file I remember,
and I had to put names in there, not IP addresses.

I've been doing this for over 8 years nowm first with Slackware and
more recently with Debian. I have to say CUPS may be bloated, but lpr
is much more fickle IMHO ;-) Perhaps gnulpr is better, but I've never
used it. 

Cheers!
Shyamal


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RE: What's the std print config tool

2003-03-29 Thread Lindsay Yardley
Is it lpr, lprng or gnulpr? also how can I determine what packages are
already installed, apart from trying each one.
tia
Lindsay
 | G'day all,
 | What is the standard printer configuration tool used by
 | debian 3 r0. I'm
 | trying to install a printer but the documentation is not
 | helping me at
 | all. If I could find the config tool name that'd be a start, perhaps
 | then the Printing HowTo will make more sense.
 | tia
 | Lindsay

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Re: What's the std print config tool

2003-03-29 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 at 11:46am, Lindsay Yardley wrote:

:G'day all,
:What is the standard printer configuration tool used by debian 3 r0. I'm
:trying to install a printer but the documentation is not helping me at
:all. If I could find the config tool name that'd be a start, perhaps
:then the Printing HowTo will make more sense.

I'm not sure it's standard, but CUPS (Common UNIX Printing System) seems
favored.  See http://www.cups.org/ and then use aptitude (or your
preferred package tool) to install the packages.  (I don't recall all the
package names, but a search for 'cups' should turn them up.)

Patrick

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Re: What's the std print config tool

2003-03-29 Thread Bob Proulx
I am going to put your messages in chronological order.

 What is the standard printer configuration tool used by debian 3
 r0. I'm trying to install a printer but the documentation is not
 helping me at all. If I could find the config tool name that'd be a
 start, perhaps then the Printing HowTo will make more sense.

It depends entirely upon which printer spooler software you are using.
There are only probably six different flavors available.  I am using
the old BSD style print spooler lpr so my knowledge of other types is
limited.

However most people are recommending cupsys as the best server for
standalone systems for new folks.  That is probably the best place for
you to start.

  apt-cache show cupsys
  apt-get install cupsys

After installation I believe the printer daemon is listening on a the
localhost port 631.  Point your web browser to the that address.  Then
follow the online configuration.

  http://127.0.0.1:631

There is also a lot of documentation under /usr/share/doc/ for the
given package name, /usr/share/doc/cupsys/* in this case.

Lindsay Yardley wrote:
 Is it lpr, lprng or gnulpr? also how can I determine what packages are
 already installed, apart from trying each one.

cupsys, lpr, lprng all are quite popular.

Okay, I have exhausted my knowledge here.

Bob


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RE: What's the std print config tool

2003-03-29 Thread Lindsay Yardley
G'day Bob, Patrick, others,
Thank you for your reply but cups seems rather bloated and fickle,I
wanted the one installed by the default debian tasksel option is that
lpr, lprng or gnulpr? or is one of these or another rather nice 
compact and sufficient?
tia
Lindsay


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Re: What's the std print config tool

2003-03-29 Thread ronin2
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:02:37 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Proulx) wrote:

 However most people are recommending cupsys as the best server for
 standalone systems for new folks.  That is probably the best place for
 you to start.
 
   apt-cache show cupsys
   apt-get install cupsys

Also install cupsys-bsd, and cupsys-client. The first enables the use of
lpr-style commands; the second allows printing to other servers'
printers.

Lindsay may also need cupsys-driver-gimpprint, to get generic drivers
for printers not supported directly in CUPS.

Kevin


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Re: What's the std print config tool

2003-03-29 Thread Shyamal Prasad
Lindsay == Lindsay Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Lindsay G'day all, What is the standard printer configuration
Lindsay tool used by debian 3 r0. I'm trying to install a printer
Lindsay but the documentation is not helping me at all. If I
Lindsay could find the config tool name that'd be a start,
Lindsay perhaps then the Printing HowTo will make more sense.
Lindsay tia Lindsay

As Bob points out, cupsys is what a lot of people are using. I
switched to it about a year ago and it works fine for me. I have a HP
Laserjet hooked up. 

My woody system has

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -l 'cups*' | grep ^i
ii  cupsys 1.1.14-4.4 Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - server
ii  cupsys-bsd 1.1.14-4.4 Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - BSD comman
ii  cupsys-client  1.1.14-4.4 Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - client pro
ii  cupsys-driver- 4.2.0-4gimp-print printer driver for CUPS
ii  cupsys-pstoras 1.1.14-4.4 Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - pstoraster
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -l '*hp*' | grep ^i
ii  hp-ppd 0.4-0  HP Postscript Printer Definition (PPD) files

You configure the printes via http://localhost:631/ once it is all
installed. Be sure to read the Debian specific notes in
/usr/share/doc/cupsys/ if you choose to go along this path. 

It's been a while, but I don't remember the set up being particularly
difficult. One key step for me which took a while to figure out was to
install cupsys-bsd.

Cheers!
Shyamal


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