Re: X-over cables
Hugh Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 04:50:16PM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote: Yeah but who wants a Smash-n-toss?? ;-) me gots a powerbook520 and it is so fustrating! there are no flippin keyboard commands! click finder to switch between netscape and telnet! grrr. [...] ps: have looked at debian port for mac but the only hardware that isnt supported is the nic, so there wouldnt be much point in trying that. What about switching to Mac OS X -- full featured FreeBSD under the hood _plus_ nice looking Aqua GUI over the hood _plus_ ability to use any Unix software you can think of, even XFree86 -- in fact, even apt-get as packet manager! Greetings, joachim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-over cables
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 11:24:03AM +0100, Joachim Trinkwitz wrote: Hugh Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 04:50:16PM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote: Yeah but who wants a Smash-n-toss?? ;-) me gots a powerbook520 and it is so fustrating! there are no flippin keyboard commands! click finder to switch between netscape and telnet! grrr. [...] ps: have looked at debian port for mac but the only hardware that isnt supported is the nic, so there wouldnt be much point in trying that. What about switching to Mac OS X -- full featured FreeBSD under the hood _plus_ nice looking Aqua GUI over the hood _plus_ ability to use any Unix software you can think of, even XFree86 -- in fact, even apt-get as packet manager! hmm nice try but do you have any idea what a powerbook 520 consists of?? introduced May 16, 1994 at $2,270; discontinued June 10, 1995 requires System 7.1.1 or later; highest version supported without a PPC upgrade is Mac OS 8.1. CPU: 25 MHz 68LC040 FPU: none ROM: 2 MB RAM: 4 MB, expandable to 36 MB using a special 100ns pseudostatic RAM card VRAM: 512 KB display: 9.5 4-bit 640x480 passive matrix 160 MB or 240 MB hard drive standard ADB port for keyboard and mouse DIN-8 serial port on back of computer ethernet port using AAUI connector PowerBook SCSI connector on back of computer proprietary modem slot Gestalt ID: 72 Size (HxWxD): 2.3 x 11.5 x 9.7 weight: 7.1 lb. with both batteries, 6.3 lb. with one battery this one has 30mb ram but i dont think it would touch osX! hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-over cables [was Direct cable connection]
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:59:05 -0800 deFreese, Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Careful with this if you try it yourself because it is not a 1 to 1 crossover. Ethernet only uses ping 2,3,4, and 6 so you need to cross 2 to 4, 3 to 6, 4 to 2, and 6 to 3. Not a problem. Your Honor, I'd like to amend my reply to read: Properly switch the wires on either one end or the other to make the crossover. :) Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-over cables [was Direct cable connection]
On 12 Mar 2003 17:23:08 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there are any network techs in your local LUG, one could make a patch cable for you for the cost of parts plus a 6-pack of good beer. A six-pack?! *Good* beer?! These British network techs must be pretty expensive! :) Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: X-over cables [was Direct cable connection]
-Original Message- From: Hugh Saunders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 2:50 PM To: Debian User Subject: X-over cables [was Direct cable connection] On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 05:00:46PM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote: So, is there a more modern way to hotwire two boxes without the use of routers or extra file systems? Is it possible to do a straight USB to USB or NIC to NIC connection? There's something called an ethernet crossover cable, you can hookup two machines back to back with this and not need a hub. on the subject of crossover cables, do you know where you can get adapters that go on the end of normal patch cables to convert them to crossover? The reason i ask is because i only want to carry one network cable in laptop bag but would be useful to have a crossover cable sometimes.. thanks hugh It's somewhat pointless to have an adapter I would think since you are still going to need the male RJ-45 end on both ends. If you going to carry and adapter and a cable isn't just as easy to carry two cables? If you really want to do it, one easy way would be to butcher an existing patch cable and cut off one end and get one of the wall jack inserts for cat-5 and punch it down as a crossover. Barry deFreese NTS Technology Services Manager Nike Team Sports (949)-616-4005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology doesn't make you less stupid; it just makes you stupid faster. Jerry Gregoire - Former CIO at Dell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-over cables [was Direct cable connection]
On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 16:34, Hugh Saunders wrote: On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 05:00:46PM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote: So, is there a more modern way to hotwire two boxes without the use of routers or extra file systems? Is it possible to do a straight USB to USB or NIC to NIC connection? There's something called an ethernet crossover cable, you can hookup two machines back to back with this and not need a hub. on the subject of crossover cables, do you know where you can get adapters that go on the end of normal patch cables to convert them to crossover? The reason i ask is because i only want to carry one network cable in laptop bag but would be useful to have a crossover cable sometimes.. If there are any network techs in your local LUG, one could make a patch cable for you for the cost of parts plus a 6-pack of good beer. -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | | | | Spit in one hand, and wish for peace in the other.| | Guess which is more effective... | +---+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-over cables [was Direct cable connection]
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:34:02 + Hugh Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on the subject of crossover cables, do you know where you can get adapters that go on the end of normal patch cables to convert them to crossover? The reason i ask is because i only want to carry one network cable in laptop bag but would be useful to have a crossover cable sometimes.. This sounds like a do-it-yourself job. Take about six inches of cat-5, put a regular connector on one end and a female connector on the other. Switch the wires on either one end or the other to make it crossover. If you can't do it maybe you know a networking person who can. Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-over cables [was Direct cable connection]
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 02:59:23PM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote: It's somewhat pointless to have an adapter I would think since you are still going to need the male RJ-45 end on both ends. If you going to carry and adapter and a cable isn't just as easy to carry two cables? If you really want to do it, one easy way would be to butcher an existing patch cable and cut off one end and get one of the wall jack inserts for cat-5 and punch it down as a crossover. male end of Cross-over adapter Rj-45 straightthat clips on the through cable end of rj-45 cable. ______ \___ \___ \___ ___| ___| ___| / /__/ im sure i have seen one of these somewhere, just cant remember where! your idea of making one isnt bad but if the 'adapter' is gonna be a cable, as you say; i might as well just carry two cables. hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-over cables [was Direct cable connection]
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 06:29:28PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:34:02 + Hugh Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on the subject of crossover cables, do you know where you can get adapters that go on the end of normal patch cables to convert them to crossover? The reason i ask is because i only want to carry one network cable in laptop bag but would be useful to have a crossover cable sometimes.. This sounds like a do-it-yourself job. Take about six inches of cat-5, put a regular connector on one end and a female connector on the other. Switch the wires on either one end or the other to make it crossover. yeah, need to smile at someone who has crimpers :-) hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: X-over cables [was Direct cable connection]
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: X-over cables [was Direct cable connection] On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:34:02 + Hugh Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on the subject of crossover cables, do you know where you can get adapters that go on the end of normal patch cables to convert them to crossover? The reason i ask is because i only want to carry one network cable in laptop bag but would be useful to have a crossover cable sometimes.. This sounds like a do-it-yourself job. Take about six inches of cat-5, put a regular connector on one end and a female connector on the other. Switch the wires on either one end or the other to make it crossover. If you can't do it maybe you know a networking person who can. Kevin Careful with this if you try it yourself because it is not a 1 to 1 crossover. Ethernet only uses ping 2,3,4, and 6 so you need to cross 2 to 4, 3 to 6, 4 to 2, and 6 to 3. Barry deFreese NTS Technology Services Manager Nike Team Sports (949)-616-4005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology doesn't make you less stupid; it just makes you stupid faster. Jerry Gregoire - Former CIO at Dell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-over cables [was Direct cable connection]
Hugh Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on the subject of crossover cables, do you know where you can get adapters that go on the end of normal patch cables to convert them to crossover? The reason i ask is because i only want to carry one network cable in laptop bag but would be useful to have a crossover cable sometimes.. Aside from the fact that, as another respondent pointed out, you'll still need another cable to plug in to the other side of the adapter, and so you're probably ahead to just have two cables, google is your friend: http://www.google.com/search?hl=enie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8q=ethernet+crossover+dongle%7CadapterbtnG=Google+Search Gary -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-over cables
Hugh Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: im sure i have seen one of these somewhere, just cant remember where! http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=crossover+adapter -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Looking for a developer in St. Louis? http://web.springies.com/~ats/ Look, it's a hat! It's not going to hurt you. -- Leia -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-over cables [was Direct cable connection]
Hugh Saunders wrote: On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 06:29:28PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:34:02 + Hugh Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on the subject of crossover cables, do you know where you can get adapters that go on the end of normal patch cables to convert them to crossover? The reason i ask is because i only want to carry one network cable in laptop bag but would be useful to have a crossover cable sometimes.. This sounds like a do-it-yourself job. Take about six inches of cat-5, put a regular connector on one end and a female connector on the other. Switch the wires on either one end or the other to make it crossover. yeah, need to smile at someone who has crimpers :-) hugh Or a biscuit with two RJ-45 jacks. About 5 dollars and 15 minutes worth of work (ten of which is finding the wiring diagram on the net). Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-over cables [was Direct cable connection]
deFreese, Barry wrote: -Original Message- From: Hugh Saunders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 2:50 PM To: Debian User Subject: X-over cables [was Direct cable connection] On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 05:00:46PM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote: So, is there a more modern way to hotwire two boxes without the use of routers or extra file systems? Is it possible to do a straight USB to USB or NIC to NIC connection? There's something called an ethernet crossover cable, you can hookup two machines back to back with this and not need a hub. on the subject of crossover cables, do you know where you can get adapters that go on the end of normal patch cables to convert them to crossover? The reason i ask is because i only want to carry one network cable in laptop bag but would be useful to have a crossover cable sometimes.. thanks hugh It's somewhat pointless to have an adapter I would think since you are still going to need the male RJ-45 end on both ends. If you going to carry and adapter and a cable isn't just as easy to carry two cables? If you really want to do it, one easy way would be to butcher an existing patch cable and cut off one end and get one of the wall jack inserts for cat-5 and punch it down as a crossover. Barry deFreese NTS Technology Services Manager Nike Team Sports (949)-616-4005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology doesn't make you less stupid; it just makes you stupid faster. Jerry Gregoire - Former CIO at Dell Hey, that gives me an idea. How about a cable with two heads on one end, one being a crossover? Or would that introduce noise? On a side note, newer Macintoshes will autosense the need to internally create a crossover connection on their ethernet ports, and will autonegotiate which end does it when you connect two Macs. Really cool! Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: X-over cables [was Direct cable connection]
-Original Message- From: Kent West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:41 PM To: Debian User Subject: Re: X-over cables [was Direct cable connection] Hey, that gives me an idea. How about a cable with two heads on one end, one being a crossover? Or would that introduce noise? It will work but it won't be certified for 100Mbit... :-) On a side note, newer Macintoshes will autosense the need to internally create a crossover connection on their ethernet ports, and will autonegotiate which end does it when you connect two Macs. Really cool! Yeah but who wants a Smash-n-toss?? ;-) Kent Barry deFreese NTS Technology Services Manager Nike Team Sports (949)-616-4005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technology doesn't make you less stupid; it just makes you stupid faster. Jerry Gregoire - Former CIO at Dell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-over cables
Alan Shutko wrote: Hugh Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: im sure i have seen one of these somewhere, just cant remember where! http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=crossover+adapter Yep; just what you're looking for. http://4u-depot.com/catenrjcrosa.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-over cables [was Direct cable connection]
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 04:50:16PM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote: Hey, that gives me an idea. How about a cable with two heads on one end, one being a crossover? Or would that introduce noise? It will work but it won't be certified for 100Mbit... :-) now thats an even better idea! as long as some twit doesnt try and use them both at once! On a side note, newer Macintoshes will autosense the need to internally create a crossover connection on their ethernet ports, and will autonegotiate which end does it when you connect two Macs. Really cool! Yeah but who wants a Smash-n-toss?? ;-) me gots a powerbook520 and it is so fustrating! there are no flippin keyboard commands! click finder to switch between netscape and telnet! grrr. hugh ps: have looked at debian port for mac but the only hardware that isnt supported is the nic, so there wouldnt be much point in trying that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-over cables
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 06:58:22PM -0600, Kent West wrote: Alan Shutko wrote: Hugh Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: im sure i have seen one of these somewhere, just cant remember where! http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=crossover+adapter Yep; just what you're looking for. http://4u-depot.com/catenrjcrosa.html If i lived in the US ;-) Delivery would be a bit of a prob. im in the uk, so as suggested already i think this will be a diy proj -is looking quite interesting -esp the double-headed idea! hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-over cables
Hugh Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If i lived in the US ;-) Delivery would be a bit of a prob. im in the uk, so as suggested already i think this will be a diy proj Yes, because google can't search for places in the UK http://www.solwise.co.uk/networking_sundries.htm -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Looking for a developer in St. Louis? http://web.springies.com/~ats/ The trouble with being broke is that it takes up all your time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-over cables [ googling]
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 08:43:54PM -0500, Alan Shutko wrote: Hugh Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If i lived in the US ;-) Delivery would be a bit of a prob. im in the uk, so as suggested already i think this will be a diy proj Yes, because google can't search for places in the UK http://www.solwise.co.uk/networking_sundries.htm /me had googled unsuccessfully for uk places. better learn to google better! thanks, hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-over cables
On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 20:43, Alan Shutko wrote: Hugh Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If i lived in the US ;-) Delivery would be a bit of a prob. im in the uk, so as suggested already i think this will be a diy proj Yes, because google can't search for places in the UK http://www.solwise.co.uk/networking_sundries.htm -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Looking for a developer in St. Louis? http://web.springies.com/~ats/ The trouble with being broke is that it takes up all your time. And in Europe, you'd need an adaptor ;) -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: X-over cables
Mark L. Kahnt wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 20:43, Alan Shutko wrote: Hugh Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If i lived in the US ;-) Delivery would be a bit of a prob. im in the uk, so as suggested already i think this will be a diy proj Yes, because google can't search for places in the UK http://www.solwise.co.uk/networking_sundries.htm -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Looking for a developer in St. Louis? http://web.springies.com/~ats/ The trouble with being broke is that it takes up all your time. And in Europe, you'd need an adaptor ;) Isn't that what IBM has been touting on their telly adverts lately? A UBA (Universal Business Adapter)? Oh, right, they _do_ say you need an adapter for Europe, don't they? Doh! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
