Re: cedilla on a us_intl keyboard
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 09:09:11AM -0400, Hugh Lawson wrote: Put this entry into /etc/environment LANG=en_US.iso885915 With this setting, on my system, the 'locale' command produces this output: LANG=en_US.iso885915 LC_CTYPE=en_US.iso885915 LC_NUMERIC=en_US.iso885915 LC_TIME=en_US.iso885915 LC_COLLATE=en_US.iso885915 LC_MONETARY=en_US.iso885915 LC_MESSAGES=en_US.iso885915 LC_PAPER=en_US.iso885915 LC_NAME=en_US.iso885915 LC_ADDRESS=en_US.iso885915 LC_TELEPHONE=en_US.iso885915 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.iso885915 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US.iso885915 LC_ALL= I think the canonical way to set the locale is 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' Do you have to put that setting in /etc/environment? -- Chris. == I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Sir Stephen Henry Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cedilla on a us_intl keyboard
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 23:32:07 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 09:09:11AM -0400, Hugh Lawson wrote: Put this entry into /etc/environment LANG=en_US.iso885915 With this setting, on my system, the 'locale' command produces this output: LANG=en_US.iso885915 LC_CTYPE=en_US.iso885915 LC_NUMERIC=en_US.iso885915 LC_TIME=en_US.iso885915 LC_COLLATE=en_US.iso885915 LC_MONETARY=en_US.iso885915 LC_MESSAGES=en_US.iso885915 LC_PAPER=en_US.iso885915 LC_NAME=en_US.iso885915 LC_ADDRESS=en_US.iso885915 LC_TELEPHONE=en_US.iso885915 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.iso885915 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US.iso885915 LC_ALL= I think the canonical way to set the locale is 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' Do you have to put that setting in /etc/environment? AFAIK, /etc/environment is deprecated. If you choose to set up a system-wide default setting with dpkg-reconfigure locales (the last dialog option) then it will be saved in /etc/default/locale. You can change this file afterwards, but you should only set locales that have been generated on your system. To have user-specific settings, you can export the corresponding environmental variables in the startup scripts of your $SHELL and/or desktop environment. -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cedilla on a us_intl keyboard
Frederico Rodrigues Abraham wrote: I finally found out the solution, after 3 years ;) It's here: http://cassianoleal.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/how-to-get-the-c-cedilla-on-gnome/ But I don't have Gnome. And found this: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~johns/kbukint.html and so using the AltGr (Alt key to the right of the spacebar): AltGr + , + c = ç Thanks Google! Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cedilla on a us_intl keyboard
Le Mer 24 septembre 2008 13:24, Hugo Vanwoerkom a écrit : But I don't have Gnome. And found this: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~johns/kbukint.html and so using the AltGr (Alt key to the right of the spacebar): AltGr + , + c = ç Hi, I use the Happy Hacking Keyboard (US QWERTY, 60 keys) and I am French, so I very often need theses strange caracters with accents. I use the us_intl layout in the xorg.conf file and I don't need to press AltGr. The accent ekys are always dead, so I need to press two keys one after the other to get all kind of caracters : ' + = ' ' + e = é ' + c = ç ` + u = ù It works with upper case and lower case letters, with a lot of accents ( ~ ' ` ) over (or under) nearly every caracter. It works directly in X, so, without a WindowManager, with XFCE or any other WM (as long as it does not reconfigure the mapping as Gnome does). And I use the same configuration (console-data) on console. Fanfan -- http://www.cerbelle.net - http://www.afdm-idf.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cedilla on a us_intl keyboard
François Cerbelle wrote: Le Mer 24 septembre 2008 13:24, Hugo Vanwoerkom a écrit : But I don't have Gnome. And found this: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~johns/kbukint.html and so using the AltGr (Alt key to the right of the spacebar): AltGr + , + c = ç Hi, I use the Happy Hacking Keyboard (US QWERTY, 60 keys) and I am French, so I very often need theses strange caracters with accents. I use the us_intl layout in the xorg.conf file and I don't need to press AltGr. The accent ekys are always dead, so I need to press two keys one after the other to get all kind of caracters : ' + = ' ' + e = é ' + c = ç ` + u = ù It works with upper case and lower case letters, with a lot of accents ( ~ ' ` ) over (or under) nearly every caracter. It works directly in X, so, without a WindowManager, with XFCE or any other WM (as long as it does not reconfigure the mapping as Gnome does). And I use the same configuration (console-data) on console. I also use the us-intl in xorg.conf but ' + c gives me ć not ç. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cedilla on a us_intl keyboard
Strange. I thought the us_intl keyboard had been removed from Debian years ago. Nowadays you use the us keyboard with the alt-intl /keyboard variant/. It seems that many Debian users (including members of this list) are not aware of the glorious Unix Compose Key. You press Compose, and then some other characters, and magically a character is produced which is a kind of graphical combination of those characters. So a c-cedilla (ç) is made by Compose, comma, c. A German double s (ß) by means of Compose, s, s. A British pound (currency) sign (₤) by Compose, L, =. Etcetera, etcetera; hundreds of such combinations are pre-defined, and you can also define your own. Now where is the Compose key? I /think/ the Debian default is: the right windows key is Compose (but I am not sure; it's been ages since I set up a Debian system from scratch). In any case the position of the Compose key can be specified through the GUI on Gnome/Ubuntu and KDE. If you have no Compose key defined, you can also set it by specifying in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, in the keyboard section: Option XkbOptions compose:rwin See also http://www.jw-stumpel.nl/stestu.html#T6.1 Regards, Jan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cedilla on a us_intl keyboard
Frederico Rodrigues Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I finally found out the solution, after 3 years ;) Let me make a different suggestion, not a better one necessarily, but just a different one. Critiques are welcome, in case I have a typo or get something wrong. Debian Etch, fluxbox Put these settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver kbd Option CoreKeyboard Option XkbRules xorg Option XkbModel pc104 Option XkbLayout us Option XkbOptionscompose:menu EndSection Put this entry into /etc/environment LANG=en_US.iso885915 With this setting, on my system, the 'locale' command produces this output: LANG=en_US.iso885915 LC_CTYPE=en_US.iso885915 LC_NUMERIC=en_US.iso885915 LC_TIME=en_US.iso885915 LC_COLLATE=en_US.iso885915 LC_MONETARY=en_US.iso885915 LC_MESSAGES=en_US.iso885915 LC_PAPER=en_US.iso885915 LC_NAME=en_US.iso885915 LC_ADDRESS=en_US.iso885915 LC_TELEPHONE=en_US.iso885915 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.iso885915 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US.iso885915 LC_ALL= In this way I have a regular US keyboard with no dead keys, but using menu as the Multi_key, I can produce most of the accented characters, including the c cedilla. This works because the compose-key settings (Multi_key) are regulate in X by /usr/share/X11/locale/iso8859-15/Compose And the compose:menu setting in /etc/X11/xorg.conf designates the Multi_key, which is the compose key in X. -- Hugh Lawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cedilla on a us_intl keyboard
Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: Strange. I thought the us_intl keyboard had been removed from Debian years ago. Nowadays you use the us keyboard with the alt-intl /keyboard variant/. It seems that many Debian users (including members of this list) are not aware of the glorious Unix Compose Key. You press Compose, and then some other characters, and magically a character is produced which is a kind of graphical combination of those characters. So a c-cedilla (ç) is made by Compose, comma, c. A German double s (ß) by means of Compose, s, s. A British pound (currency) sign (₤) by Compose, L, =. Etcetera, etcetera; hundreds of such combinations are pre-defined, and you can also define your own. Now where is the Compose key? I /think/ the Debian default is: the right windows key is Compose (but I am not sure; it's been ages since I set up a Debian system from scratch). In any case the position of the Compose key can be specified through the GUI on Gnome/Ubuntu and KDE. If you have no Compose key defined, you can also set it by specifying in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, in the keyboard section: Option XkbOptions compose:rwin See also http://www.jw-stumpel.nl/stestu.html#T6.1 Good point Jan Willem, Florian has pointed this out before: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/04/msg01873.html Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cedilla on a us_intl keyboard
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:
It seems that many Debian users (including members of this
list) are not aware of the glorious Unix Compose Key. You
press Compose, and then some other characters, and magically
a character is produced which is a kind of graphical
combination of those characters. So a c-cedilla (ç) is made
by Compose, comma, c. A German double s (ß) by means of
Compose, s, s. A British pound (currency) sign (₤) by
Compose, L, =.
Good point Jan Willem, Florian has pointed this out before:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/04/msg01873.html
Hugo
It seems I missed that thread. But anyway it is true that the
Compose key (a Unix/Linux feature, Windows doesn't have it) is a
very useful tool.
However, that thread did not quite answer the question posed by
its OP (Manon Metten). With the Compose key, you need 3 keystrokes
to make, e.g., á (Compose, ', a). If you use a true dead keys
method, you need only 2 keystrokes (', a). The downside then is
that to produce ' by itself, you need to follow the ' keypress by
a space, or press Alt-'. The choice between the dead keys method
and the Compose method is a matter of taste, depending on the
language(s) that you normally work with. For US users who only
need accented characters very rarely, the Compose method is
probably the best.
To enable true dead keys on an ordinary US keyboard you can set
a dead key variant in /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Option XkbVariant alt-intl
(Dead keys, which already existed in European mechanical
typewriters, were called dead because they did not advance the
paper-carrying carriage. So a following character overprinted them.)
The xkb subsystem on modern versions of Linux has many more
wonderful features, especially if you convert your system to utf-8
(which is easy, and already the default on fresh installations of
Debian, I believe).
Regards, Jan
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Re: Re: cedilla on a us_intl keyboard
I finally found out the solution, after 3 years ;) It's here: http://cassianoleal.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/how-to-get-the-c-cedilla-on-gnome/ -- Fred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
