Re: difference Debian, solaris, freebsd
Solaris is not open source, it was created by Sun Microsystems, and it is now owned by Oracle...And all the implied baggage that entails. Oracle is not terribly friendly to open source or free software, hence their stance on OpenOffice.org, and mysql. They allowed OOO to languish to the point of driving developers away from it, which is why it was forked into LibreOffice. They finally washed their hands of it and gave it to the Apache foundation. They have gone out of their way to obfuscate security patches in mysql, and their first action with Solaris was to eliminate the free versions, causing another fork. There are, as someone stated, projects like Illumos, which are forks of the last free version of Solaris. In operation, Solaris has always been slower than Linux, even on native Sparc hardware. Many things in the OS are either crufty non-GNU tools, such as tar, which lacks many of the options that GNU tar has (though there are sites like sunfreeware.com), or they are different for the sake of being different. Like other commercial unixes, they had to do things differently to make them unique, so patching is much more painful than a Debian or RedHat or FreeBSD box. FreeBSD has, arguably, a better package system in the ports tree. Ports is/can be configured to do source-based installs of applications. It also has ZFS, which is arguably the best filesystem available, as long as you have tons of memory. I don't have a lot of experience with FreeBSD, though I am starting to experiment with it. FreeBSD is also open source, though not GPL. It uses the BSD license, which basically states that you can do anything you want to with the software. Personally, I would either stick with Linux or try FreeBSD. And I managed to do this entire email without calling it Slowaris :) On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 06:15:32PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: what are the major differences btw the three OS. Debian, Solaris, Freebsd i know some command change and stuff. but architecture wise. like unix is propitiatory, and freebst is not not blah blah. but why one should choose Debian or freebsd over others? i am a big fan of debian and i have been using it for years, i have no doubt about its stability and performance it is rock solid. then what is the reason people might willing to use debian over freebsd and vise versa because both are free. stalle. (freebsd unix type) all major server applications like samba,postfix etc are available in both. I can't really compare Debian to Solaris or Freebsd because I don't have much experience with them. But one reason I chose Debian over other Linux distributions is because of the number of packages available, which means I don't have to compile much software, if any. I suspect Debian has more packages available that Solaris or Freebsd do, but I'm not sure. -Rob
Re: difference Debian, solaris, freebsd
On Fri, 2013-08-30 at 08:01 -0400, Brad Alexander wrote: FreeBSD has, arguably, a better package system in the ports tree. Ports is/can be configured to do source-based installs of applications. Personally, I would either stick with Linux or try FreeBSD. For Linux, the distro Arch Linux does provide something comparable to FreeBSD ports. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Build_System I've got both installed, FreeBSD and Arch Linux, for my needs Linux is the better choice. What Linux disto the right choice is IMO depends to the usage. For e.g. CNC or music productions and perhaps many other things are special Linux distros available. For FreeBSD is also a pre-build install available, called PC BSD, but the PC BSD community seems to be very small, so I would test FreeBSD and not PC BSD. Take a look at the FreeBSD and PC BSD mailing lists. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1377865439.3536.149.camel@archlinux
Re: difference Debian, solaris, freebsd
Le 29.08.2013 19:09, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 19:00 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: PS: I wouldn't install Debian's FreeBSD, test the real FreeBSD first. PPS: The reason for this is, that there's a FreeBSD community and I guess there is not a huge Debian GNU/kFreeBSD community, but I might be mistaken. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ Is not that list including that community? After all, KFreeBSD is now an official part of Debian, I think ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/8783bba79f5b5fc7d8f5ca6169e61...@neutralite.org
Re: difference Debian, solaris, freebsd
On 29.08.2013 16:15, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: what are the major differences btw the three OS. Debian, Solaris, Freebsd [snip] Well the most obvious difference is package management. Aside from that you can always add GNU utilities to Solaris and FreeBSD so that the differences from a user perspective can be quite small. Regards, /Lars -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/521f4ceb.7070...@gmail.com
Re: difference Debian, solaris, freebsd
Well the most obvious difference is package management. Aside from that you can always add GNU utilities to Solaris and FreeBSD so that the differences from a user perspective can be quite small. thanks for your response, but i am asking in server perspective. not GUI. in my opinion Ubuntu/Debian are the best in GUI's however i am more interested to know about server side think, for example. samba, postfix, storage stuff, ftp,ssh,http,smb,nfs, etc and all other things can be achieved in both freebsd and Debian and even in solaris. ok lets forget about solaris due to proprietary in nature. lets talk about opensolaris (illumos) openindiana, omniOS they are also very very stable. then what is the difference. Thanks Myk
Re: difference Debian, solaris, freebsd
On 29.08.2013 17:20, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: Well the most obvious difference is package management. Aside from that you can always add GNU utilities to Solaris and FreeBSD so that the differences from a user perspective can be quite small. thanks for your response, but i am asking in server perspective. not GUI. in my opinion Ubuntu/Debian are the best in GUI's however i am more interested to know about server side think, I'm not talking about GUI. Even without the GUI the underlying package management systems are different, though they are less different than they used to be. Debian uses APT, which I like better. Regards, /Lars -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/521f59fc.7000...@gmail.com
Re: difference Debian, solaris, freebsd
On 08/29/2013 04:15 PM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: what are the major differences btw the three OS. Debian, Solaris, Freebsd i know some command change and stuff. but architecture wise. like unix is propitiatory, and freebst is not not blah blah. but why one should choose Debian or freebsd over others? i am a big fan of debian and i have been using it for years, i have no doubt about its stability and performance it is rock solid. then what is the reason people might willing to use debian over freebsd and vise versa because both are free. stalle. (freebsd unix type) �all major server applications like samba,postfix etc are available in both. Thanks, myk As you know the big difference is kernel (kernel (parameters) tunning, firewall, device file/names, supported file systems and devices etc.) Other differences are release cycles, community spirit, security patches, policy etc. Best regards Georgi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/521f5e0b.1070...@oles.biz
Re: difference Debian, solaris, freebsd
On 8/29/13, Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote: what are the major differences btw the three OS. Debian, Solaris, Freebsd I might consider Illumos/community-solaris, for using ZFS (eg for a SAN) as backing for some other servers or desktops. btrfs and xfs are catching up though still may be couple years away for some ZFS features. Possibly for extra security (if you have the time/personnel), then OpenBSD (or possibly FreeBSD), could provide a bit more security in your intranet - also a bit of diversity in OSes (if you have competency in them) can mean that a targetted attack using a specific 0-day exploit, will not take down all your boxen. Other than that, Debian is the best, Debian is the greatest, Debian lives forever, rah rah rah :) And for the religiously inclined: N0n3 b3tt3r than D3b14n!! A77 E7s3 Sh477 R0t In H3777! :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnstao+8qxyq1f-xrra1ubahut1gcvybiyql9wig-h+y...@mail.gmail.com
Re: difference Debian, solaris, freebsd
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 16:30 +0300, Lars Noodén wrote:
On 29.08.2013 16:15, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
what are the major differences btw the three OS.
Debian, Solaris, Freebsd
[snip]
Well the most obvious difference is package management. Aside from that
you can always add GNU utilities to Solaris and FreeBSD so that the
differences from a user perspective can be quite small.
Yesno :) I've got a FreeBSD install and the kernel is different, e.g. no
ALSA + userspace compared to Linux is outdated. IOW you can not simply
compile something from Linuxworld for FreeBSD installs. While for
FreeBSD there are binary packages available too, the common way is to
use the ports and compile everything yourself, at least I did it and it
takes days to compile everything :). I do not have the time to maintain
FreeBSD, even understanding how to update is beyond my scope, I never
booted FreeBSD within the last month, but I'm unable to delete the
install, since FreeBSD has got a nice philosophy and I'm still
subscribed to FreeBSD lists and read.
I like FreeBSD, what I hate is the filesystem. You need a primary
partition to install it and I never managed to access the filesystem
from Linux.
Catchwords for the file system are partition and slices.
Even a multiboot isn't without issues. Use Linux GRUB2 and then ...
menuentry FreeBSD{
set root=(hd0,msdos1)
chainloader +1
}
... chainload it.
FreeBSD has a good documentation.
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Re: difference Debian, solaris, freebsd
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 17:26 +0300, Lars Noodén wrote: On 29.08.2013 17:20, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: Well the most obvious difference is package management. Aside from that you can always add GNU utilities to Solaris and FreeBSD so that the differences from a user perspective can be quite small. thanks for your response, but i am asking in server perspective. not GUI. in my opinion Ubuntu/Debian are the best in GUI's however i am more interested to know about server side think, I'm not talking about GUI. Even without the GUI the underlying package management systems are different, though they are less different than they used to be. Debian uses APT, which I like better. Another catchword is jails, a kind of chroot. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1377795270.3536.66.camel@archlinux
Re: difference Debian, solaris, freebsd
PS: I wouldn't install Debian's FreeBSD, test the real FreeBSD first. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1377795643.3536.67.camel@archlinux
Re: difference Debian, solaris, freebsd
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 19:00 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: PS: I wouldn't install Debian's FreeBSD, test the real FreeBSD first. PPS: The reason for this is, that there's a FreeBSD community and I guess there is not a huge Debian GNU/kFreeBSD community, but I might be mistaken. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1377796189.3536.69.camel@archlinux
Re: difference Debian, solaris, freebsd
Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 8/29/13, Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote: what are the major differences btw the three OS. Debian, Solaris, Freebsd I might consider Illumos/community-solaris, for using ZFS (eg for a SAN) as backing for some other servers or desktops. btrfs and xfs are catching up though still may be couple years away for some ZFS features. A lot of people seem to swear by dtrace (Solaris) for low-level performance tuning. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/521fe502.5050...@meetinghouse.net
Re: difference Debian, solaris, freebsd
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 06:15:32PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: what are the major differences btw the three OS. Debian, Solaris, Freebsd i know some command change and stuff. but architecture wise. like unix is propitiatory, and freebst is not not blah blah. but why one should choose Debian or freebsd over others? i am a big fan of debian and i have been using it for years, i have no doubt about its stability and performance it is rock solid. then what is the reason people might willing to use debian over freebsd and vise versa because both are free. stalle. (freebsd unix type) all major server applications like samba,postfix etc are available in both. I can't really compare Debian to Solaris or Freebsd because I don't have much experience with them. But one reason I chose Debian over other Linux distributions is because of the number of packages available, which means I don't have to compile much software, if any. I suspect Debian has more packages available that Solaris or Freebsd do, but I'm not sure. -Rob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
