Re: editors (was: Re: Differences in RH Fedora coming from Debian)
On Saturday 17 January 2004 03:12, Carl Fink wrote: [...] They're both partial knockoffs of WordStar, [...] One of the things I love about this list is these attacks of nostalgia... Wordstar... and giving up 8 floppies for those miniature 5 1/4 ones... -- richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: editors (was: Re: Differences in RH Fedora coming from Debian)
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Monique Y. Herman wrote: What's your preferred choice? I use both vim and XEmacs daily. Been using vi/vim for 7+ years and XEmacs for the last 14 months or so. There was some annoyance for about four or five weeks as I'd use vi commands in emacs and emacs commands in vi. I seem to have gotten past that now and use each without any problems. I like vi because it's quick to start and exit. I use it for practically everything from email to editing small shell and Perl scripts. Emacs takes too long to start up and I don't want to live inside of it like some emacs users like to do. However I do use XEmacs as my java IDE on Windows. I don't mind the startup cost there as I have it up and running for most of the day. I think he gives short shrift to vi in various ways ... like, he mentions that he's really talking about later versions of vi that have rc files and the like, but then he claims that there's no way to add to vi functionality without using C, because there's no built-in mini language. The wide variety of apps I can pull from http://www.vim.org/scripts/index.php seem to belie this, unless I'm totally misunderstanding his point. Yeah, he doesn't seem to be fully clued in to what vim is capable of now. There are a lot fo great scripts to extend vim's functionality. However, I've found that installing a lot of these vim plugins will increase vim's startup time, sometimes by a considerable amount. -- Matt Perry | matt at primefactor dot com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: editors (was: Re: Differences in RH Fedora coming from Debian)
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 12:21:09PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: On 2004-01-16, Pigeon penned: I hate both of 'em. If all I've got is the standard tools, I use ed. I find it *much* less painful than using vi. Or emacs. Seriously. What's your preferred choice? My first exposure to a full-screen editor other than vi or emacs was the Borland Turbo C 1.0 IDE. It wasn't modal, and the cursor keys worked. It was more or less love at first keystroke. (For those who haven't come across it: DOS's EDIT.COM appears to have based its UI on Borland's IDEs.) So I have a liking for things that work more or less the same way. I'm using jed in a text console to write this, as I do for most jobs that only involve working on one or two files at a time; the default Debian customisation of it is fairly Borlandesque. For larger jobs, I like RHIDE, which is a clone of the Borland IDE. Unfortunately, it was originally written for DOS / DJGPP, and the Linux port is not all it could be; in particular it's necessary to frog about with the character set to get the line drawing characters etc. to display properly. Also it seems unlikely that it will become part of Debian due I think to Free-ness issues. However there is a woody .deb available from http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/rhide/rhide_1.5-1_i386.deb . -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: editors (was: Re: Differences in RH Fedora coming from Debian)
On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 12:33:18AM +, Pigeon wrote: My first exposure to a full-screen editor other than vi or emacs was the Borland Turbo C 1.0 IDE. It wasn't modal, and the cursor keys worked. It was more or less love at first keystroke. (For those who haven't come across it: DOS's EDIT.COM appears to have based its UI on Borland's IDEs.) They're both partial knockoffs of WordStar, the second editor I ever used. Currently I use jstar, JOE in WordStar emulation mode. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading http://www.jabootu.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
