Re: gnome hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb upgrade problem
Hello Stephen! On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 11:00:42AM -0600, s. keeling wrote: All this over a bunch of icons?!? Yeesh. From what I see, I can't imagine anyone taking offense. And you tell him he's got file overlap, something's broken, and perhaps he shouldn't be running experimental. So what's the problem? There's no warranty on sid. He gets to keep both pieces. Thanks after all for your confirmation. :) Cheers, Flo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: gnome hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb upgrade problem
Hello Chris! On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 05:18:02PM -0400, Chris Metzler wrote: As near as I can tell you did fine. When I saw the original post, my immediate reaction was he doesn't think to check (or doesn't know about) the BTS, but wants to install packages out of experimental? Not just unstable, but *experimental*? But then I saw you'd said that already (and probably more smoothly than I would have), so I laid off. Now I'm very very glad I did. You were not impolite; you tried to point him in the direction of figuring it out for himself (always best), then went ahead and told him what to do explicitly, then showed him that it worked for you and asked for more info. Seems sensible to me. Thanks after all for your confirmation. I'll still watch my words more carefully in the future... :-/ Cheers, Flo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: gnome hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb upgrade problem
Incoming from Florian Ernst: On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 11:00:42AM -0600, s. keeling wrote: And you tell him he's got file overlap, something's broken, and perhaps he shouldn't be running experimental. So what's the problem? There's no warranty on sid. He gets to keep both pieces. Thanks after all for your confirmation. :) I notice he didn't bother to say what the fix was. He appeared to be far more interested in heaping abuse on anyone taking the time to help him. fsck 'im. Let's hope the next person who runs into that problem has at least a vague clue as to what Linux/Debian/Free/Open Source software is all about. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*) http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling - - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnome hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb upgrade problem
Hello debian-user, escalating back to the list. Please tell me whether my behavior is aggravating the situation and whether I'm screwing around with his head. So far I considered myself not to be overly friendly but still polite, and I thought my suggestions would have helped this user. As this is apparently not the case please also state a more appropriate solution to this user's problem. I guess I'm not the best choice to walk him through the process. For reference I include everything I sent to Philip off-list (snipping out everything he didn't disclose publicly; Philip can authorize me to add his replies or just do so himself). I'm seriously interested in getting to know whether I need to readjust my code of conduct. Thanks for taking care, cheers, Flo Abstract of the original problem: he wants to install a package from experimental, gets a file overlap, but still wants to proceed installing this package. My off-list mails follow: - Begin of mails - Subject: Re: gnome hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb upgrade problem To: Philip Pinkerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 21:42:39 +0200 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 02:48:53PM -0300, Philip Pinkerton wrote: On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 14:30, Florian Ernst wrote: Are you sure experimental is the best choice for you? Please see http://bugs.debian.org/240589 as well as read man dpkg and search for forcing options (hint: overwrite) if you still want to install ^ exactly this package. Cheers, Flo Subject: Re: gnome hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb upgrade problem To: Philip Pinkerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:44:32 +0200 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Philip! I have a hard time following the flow of thought in this mail from you... On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 09:20:03AM -0300, Philip Pinkerton wrote: [his reply snipped] man dpkg, forcing option for overwriting, thus doing as root dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb will install the package (well, rather force it into the system) and update the package database. But as the package is broken (file overlap with kdelibs-data) this problem might persist unless the maintainers of kdelibs-data and hicolor-icon-theme agree on in what package the file /usr/share/icons/hicolor/index.theme shall be shipped in and both get properly updated. Cheers, Flo Subject: Re: gnome hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb upgrade problem To: Philip Pinkerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:44:07 +0200 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Philip! On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 10:57:03AM -0300, Philip Pinkerton wrote: [his reply snipped] When? Rather try to make it as complete as you can. [his reply snipped] Don't paraphrase actions, please state the exact command(s) issued or provide a complete transcript. [his reply snipped] Take a backup before and compare after upgrading. Got backup? Use mc or ar to examine the .debs' contents even without installing them. [his reply snipped] Read your previous mail, it sounds confusing: Quote[quote from his mail snipped]/Quote Later on then you state what you still have... Actions taken on my system: |# dpkg -i hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb |Selecting previously deselected package hicolor-icon-theme. |(Reading database ... 57073 files and directories currently installed.) |Unpacking hicolor-icon-theme (from hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb) ... |dpkg: error processing hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb (--install): | trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/index.theme', which is also in package kdelibs-data |Errors were encountered while processing: | hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb |# echo $? |1 OK, so dpkg returns the error code 1 here, the same you get and which apt echoes back to you. But: |# dpkg -i --force-overwrite hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb |(Reading database ... 57073 files and directories currently installed.) |Unpacking hicolor-icon-theme (from hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb) ... |dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled: | trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/index.theme', which is also in package kdelibs-data |Setting up hicolor-icon-theme (0.5-1) ... |# apt-get -f install |Reading Package Lists... Done |Building Dependency Tree... Done |0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |# apt-get upgrade |Reading Package Lists... Done |Building Dependency Tree... Done |0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |# So it looks like the solution I provided really solves the problem, and something goes wrong when you try it. Are you sure you did exactly what I did? If so include a complete transcript and let's go back to the mailinglist... Cheers, Flo - End of mails - signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: gnome hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb upgrade problem
Incoming from Florian Ernst: escalating back to the list. Please tell me whether my behavior is aggravating the situation and whether I'm screwing around with his head. So far I considered myself not to be overly friendly but still polite, and I thought my suggestions would have helped this user. All this over a bunch of icons?!? Yeesh. From what I see, I can't imagine anyone taking offense. Abstract of the original problem: he wants to install a package from experimental, gets a file overlap, but still wants to proceed installing this package. And you tell him he's got file overlap, something's broken, and perhaps he shouldn't be running experimental. So what's the problem? There's no warranty on sid. He gets to keep both pieces. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*) http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling - - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnome hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb upgrade problem
FYI It is fixed. No thanks to Flo. No offense taken. Just wanted a real non-BS solution. Philip On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 14:00, s. keeling wrote: Incoming from Florian Ernst: escalating back to the list. Please tell me whether my behavior is aggravating the situation and whether I'm screwing around with his head. So far I considered myself not to be overly friendly but still polite, and I thought my suggestions would have helped this user. All this over a bunch of icons?!? Yeesh. From what I see, I can't imagine anyone taking offense. Abstract of the original problem: he wants to install a package from experimental, gets a file overlap, but still wants to proceed installing this package. And you tell him he's got file overlap, something's broken, and perhaps he shouldn't be running experimental. So what's the problem? There's no warranty on sid. He gets to keep both pieces. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*) http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling - - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnome hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb upgrade problem
Incoming from Philip Pinkerton: On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 14:00, s. keeling wrote: Incoming from Florian Ernst: escalating back to the list. Please tell me whether my behavior is aggravating the situation and whether I'm screwing around with his head. So far I considered myself not to be overly friendly but still polite, and I thought my suggestions would have helped this user. All this over a bunch of icons?!? Yeesh. From what I see, I can't imagine anyone taking offense. FYI It is fixed. No thanks to Flo. No offense taken. Just wanted a real non-BS solution. Good for you. The next time I see you looking for help, I won't bother answering. If this is the kind of abuse you heap on those foolish enough to come to your aid, why bother? -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*) http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling - - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnome hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb upgrade problem
Hello list! On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 12:07:33PM -0600, s. keeling wrote: Incoming from Philip Pinkerton: FYI It is fixed. Good for you. [...] And if it should be good for anyone who might ever browse the list searching for the solution to this problem, one should rather post how exactly it was fixed. Cheers, Flo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: gnome hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb upgrade problem
I am afraid I cannot articulate as well as I would like. I'll leave the advice to the experts. My comments are honest my opinions are my own. One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions You can quote me on that one. It is too short to censor. Philip On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 15:27, Florian Ernst wrote: Hello list! On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 12:07:33PM -0600, s. keeling wrote: Incoming from Philip Pinkerton: FYI It is fixed. Good for you. [...] And if it should be good for anyone who might ever browse the list searching for the solution to this problem, one should rather post how exactly it was fixed. Cheers, Flo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnome hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb upgrade problem
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:31:20 +0200 Florian Ernst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ snip ] I'm seriously interested in getting to know whether I need to readjust my code of conduct. As near as I can tell you did fine. When I saw the original post, my immediate reaction was he doesn't think to check (or doesn't know about) the BTS, but wants to install packages out of experimental? Not just unstable, but *experimental*? But then I saw you'd said that already (and probably more smoothly than I would have), so I laid off. Now I'm very very glad I did. You were not impolite; you tried to point him in the direction of figuring it out for himself (always best), then went ahead and told him what to do explicitly, then showed him that it worked for you and asked for more info. Seems sensible to me. -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove snip-me. to email) As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized. - Chief Luther Standing Bear pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: gnome hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb upgrade problem
Hello Philip! On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 01:24:14PM -0300, Philip Pinkerton wrote: Problems with latest upgrade: apt-get install -t expermential gnome [...] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/index.theme', which is also in package kdelibs-data [...] I seem to be stuck with this problem processing hicolor-icon-theme_0.5-1_all.deb Sigh, ok, some more arrogant behavior from me today... Are you sure experimental is the best choice for you? Please see http://bugs.debian.org/240589 as well as read man dpkg and search for forcing options (hint: overwrite) if you still want to install exactly this package. Cheers, Flo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
