Re: icedove/yahoo imap: messages marked as read filters not run on inbox
Nicolas Bercher nberc...@yahoo.fr wrote: Maybe the pop3 side config in fetching e-mails, leaving them on the server, etc. has an effect on the imap side. I should expect that reading a message with POP would indeed mark it as read for the IMAP presentation. IMO this would be correct behaviour, and the corollary is that you shouldn't mix and match your email protocols. Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/3gtec8xhhd@news.roaima.co.uk
Re: icedove/yahoo imap: messages marked as read filters not run on inbox
On 12/06/2011 16:02, Chris Davies wrote: Nicolas Berchernberc...@yahoo.fr wrote: Maybe the pop3 side config in fetching e-mails, leaving them on the server, etc. has an effect on the imap side. I should expect that reading a message with POP would indeed mark it as read for the IMAP presentation. IMO this would be correct behaviour, and the corollary is that you shouldn't mix and match your email protocols. I'm trying many things at the moment. First, I disabled the pop3 account in icedove, but this had no effect at all. Second, I visited the yahoo webmail interface in order to turn off the pop3 access option. Then, I sent dummy mails to my account and yes, they arrived as unread messages, so issue 1 seems solved... ...but, the tricky thing is that I can't turn off the pop3 option WITHOUT setting up a mail transfert...! This is really stupid: it is impossible to disable the two options at the same time! In order to continue my investigations, I created another yahoo mail account to receive these mail transfers and see what happens. This is really annoying. Nicolas Note: the mail account that initially have issues is an old yahoo account (created in 1999) and is maybe not supported like the recent ones. The new account I created today (and of course access via imap) seems to receive messages as expected (i.e. marked as unread) but server-side filters (i.e. defined via the webmail interface) do not work when accessed via imap (it seems they work only with webmail/pop3 accesses). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df4d7bf.5040...@yahoo.fr
Re: icedove/yahoo imap: messages marked as read filters not run on inbox
On 12/06/2011 16:02, Chris Davies wrote: Nicolas Berchernberc...@yahoo.fr wrote: Maybe the pop3 side config in fetching e-mails, leaving them on the server, etc. has an effect on the imap side. I should expect that reading a message with POP would indeed mark it as read for the IMAP presentation. IMO this would be correct behaviour, and the corollary is that you shouldn't mix and match your email protocols. I'm trying many things at the moment. First, I disabled the pop3 account in icedove, but this had no effect at all. Second, I visited the yahoo webmail interface in order to turn off the pop3 access option. Then, I sent dummy mails to my account and yes, they arrived as unread messages, so issue 1 seems solved... ...but, the tricky thing is that I can't turn off the pop3 option WITHOUT setting up a mail transfert...! This is really stupid: it is impossible to disable the two options at the same time! In order to continue my investigations, I created another yahoo mail account to receive these mail transfers and see what happens. This is really annoying. Nicolas Note: the mail account that initially have issues is an old yahoo account (created in 1999) and is maybe not supported like the recent ones. The new account I created today (and of course access via imap) seems to receive messages as expected (i.e. marked as unread) but server-side filters (i.e. defined via the webmail interface) do not work when accessed via imap (it seems they work only with webmail/pop3 accesses). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df4d7cf.7070...@yahoo.fr
Re: icedove/yahoo imap: messages marked as read filters not run on inbox
On 12/06/2011 17:14, Nicolas Bercher wrote: ...but, the tricky thing is that I can't turn off the pop3 option WITHOUT setting up a mail transfert...! This is really stupid: it is impossible to disable the two options at the same time! In order to continue my investigations, I created another yahoo mail account to receive these mail transfers and see what happens. This is really annoying. I solved this by editing html code with iceweasel/firebug and sending to the server a response with no button checked. During my googling time, I found a message of 2002 relating the same stupid situation in the webmail interface. It's crazy to see how old this issue is. Now, I think I solved all of the problems with yahoo imap and my account. Thanks to you all. Nicolas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df51737.6070...@yahoo.fr
Re: icedove/yahoo imap: messages marked as read filters not run on inbox
On 12/06/2011 16:02, Chris Davies wrote: Nicolas Berchernberc...@yahoo.fr wrote: Maybe the pop3 side config in fetching e-mails, leaving them on the server, etc. has an effect on the imap side. I should expect that reading a message with POP would indeed mark it as read for the IMAP presentation. IMO this would be correct behaviour, and the corollary is that you shouldn't mix and match your email protocols. Completely right, my initial goal was to test yahoo imap first. Nicolas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df5173f.8030...@yahoo.fr
Re: icedove/yahoo imap: messages marked as read filters not run on inbox
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:13:20 +0200, Nicolas Bercher wrote: (...) However, I have two issues that might concern many people here that uses icedove and have yahoo mailboxes: 1. Near every messages that arrive into inbox and are marked as read, but not all of them. This seems to be an imap side-problem: my account was freshly set up and I never saw this before with account from other imap providers (and of course I've check icedove config many times). According to Wikipedia¹, it seems that Yahoo! provides a non-standard imap service so it can be hard to know what they are doing in the backstage. And AFAIK, message status (read, deleted, unread...) is stored on the server. I would first try to configure your imap account with another MUA to see if you get a different behaviour than with Icedove. 2. Mail filters I defined (on the icedove side) doesn't work automatically (again, I've check configuration many times) and I have to run alt-t r to manually apply the filters on inbox. So, do you (smart people) see anything special here, have experience with yahoo imap and so on? What kind of filters have you setup? Maybe they're what make the messages to be marked as read. The more specific you be, the better :-) ¹http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Mail#Free_IMAP_and_SMTPs_access Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.06.11.13.35...@gmail.com
Re: icedove/yahoo imap: messages marked as read filters not run on inbox
On 10/06/2011 22:55, PaulNM wrote: On 06/10/2011 04:13 PM, Nicolas Bercher wrote: Hi, 1. Near every messages that arrive into inbox and are marked as read, but not all of them. This seems to be an imap side-problem: my account was freshly set up and I never saw this before with account from other imap providers (and of course I've check icedove config many times). Are you sure nothing else is reading the messages? I don't have yahoo imap, but I know that if I read the messages on my phone, they'll show up as read the next time I check in Thunderbird. OK, maybe you point out something interesting here: since I have the strong feeling that yahoo imap status is between alpha and beta (somehow confirmed by Camaleón on this thread), I used to keep alive the pop3 access for the same yahoo account on the same icedove profile. Maybe the pop3 side config in fetching e-mails, leaving them on the server, etc. has an effect on the imap side. Nicolas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df399b5.8000...@yahoo.fr
Re: icedove/yahoo imap: messages marked as read filters not run on inbox
On 11/06/2011 15:35, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:13:20 +0200, Nicolas Bercher wrote: (...) However, I have two issues that might concern many people here that uses icedove and have yahoo mailboxes: 1. Near every messages that arrive into inbox and are marked as read, but not all of them. This seems to be an imap side-problem: my account was freshly set up and I never saw this before with account from other imap providers (and of course I've check icedove config many times). According to Wikipedia¹, it seems that Yahoo! provides a non-standard imap service so it can be hard to know what they are doing in the backstage. And AFAIK, message status (read, deleted, unread...) is stored on the server. I will try another MUA, right after disabling pop3 access on this same account under the same icedove profile (see my other mail in this thread). What kind of filters have you setup? Maybe they're what make the messages to be marked as read. The more specific you be, the better :-) I basically use filters for mailing lists sorting. So the filters are of the form if from, to, cc or bcc equals debian-user@lists.debian.org then move message to folder debian-user. The tests I have to do will maybe span a few hours/days in order to verify if all is ok or not. Stay tuned eventually. Thanks, Nicolas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df39b30.10...@yahoo.fr
Re: icedove/yahoo imap: messages marked as read filters not run on inbox
On 06/10/2011 04:13 PM, Nicolas Bercher wrote: Hi, snip 1. Near every messages that arrive into inbox and are marked as read, but not all of them. This seems to be an imap side-problem: my account was freshly set up and I never saw this before with account from other imap providers (and of course I've check icedove config many times). Are you sure nothing else is reading the messages? I don't have yahoo imap, but I know that if I read the messages on my phone, they'll show up as read the next time I check in Thunderbird. 2. Mail filters I defined (on the icedove side) doesn't work automatically (again, I've check configuration many times) and I have to run alt-t r to manually apply the filters on inbox. Solving number 1 will solve this. Thunderbird (and Icedove) only automatically apply filters to new messages. Any messages I read through my phone and/or webmail will not be filtered automatically. I need to run filters to do that. snip Thank a lot, Nicolas Thanks for the filter shortcut, I've been meaning to look that up. PaulNM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df284b4.1020...@paulscrap.com
Re: icedove/yahoo imap: messages marked as read filters not run on inbox
To clarify, I was talking about my experiences with multiple other imap accounts. I do have a yahoo account that I don't really use, but it is pop3. PaulNM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df28557.6000...@paulscrap.com
