Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
On Sun, 11 May 2014 13:14:28 +0300 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: These two have been replaced by xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-ati I'm fairly sure I installed the Recommends:. You may need to have different video packages. Last time I did this I also needed an xfonts- package, like xfonts-base, but since it is a Recommends: of xserver-common I will probably be pulled in if one doesn't disable them. Kind regards, Andrei You will need xbase-clients as well. -- http://markorandjelovic.hopto.org One should not be afraid of humans. Well, I am not afraid of humans, but of what is inhuman in them. Ivo Andric, Signs near the travel-road -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140512124345.19435...@eunet.rs
Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
On Sun 11 May 2014 at 16:35:42 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Sun, 11 May 2014, Martin T wrote: Thank you for replies! As I understand, xserver-xorg will install /usr/bin/X binary, which is a X Window Server itself and xinit installs the /usr/bin/xinit utility which starts the X Window Server and window manager(dwm in my case) as a X Windows Server client. As I All I installed to get a running X on my Wheezy/Openbox minimal system was xserver-xorg-core and xinit. You probably did this at a time when a video driver would have been pulled in by xserver-xorg-core because it depended on xserver-xorg. This dependency has gone so there might be a problem getting X running with these two packages alone. xorg-server (2:1.9.4-2) unstable; urgency=low . * Put an end to the dependency hell! Now that we have proper dependencies between drivers and the server, remove xserver-xorg from xserver-xorg-core's Depends (Closes: #362313). In a nutshell, one may want to choose between installing: - xserver-xorg-core: the server itself, with no strings attached. - xserver-xorg: pulls the server and drivers, contains the X wrapper and some documentation. - xorg: pulls xserver-xorg as well as various X11 clients and fonts. -- Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org Wed, 16 Feb 2011 23:17:07 +0100 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140512121441.gx17...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
On Mon, 12 May 2014, Brian wrote: On Sun 11 May 2014 at 16:35:42 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Sun, 11 May 2014, Martin T wrote: Thank you for replies! As I understand, xserver-xorg will install /usr/bin/X binary, which is a X Window Server itself and xinit installs the /usr/bin/xinit utility which starts the X Window Server and window manager(dwm in my case) as a X Windows Server client. As I All I installed to get a running X on my Wheezy/Openbox minimal system was xserver-xorg-core and xinit. You probably did this at a time when a video driver would have been pulled in by xserver-xorg-core because it depended on xserver-xorg. This dependency has gone so there might be a problem getting X running with these two packages alone. xorg-server (2:1.9.4-2) unstable; urgency=low . * Put an end to the dependency hell! Now that we have proper dependencies between drivers and the server, remove xserver-xorg from xserver-xorg-core's Depends (Closes: #362313). In a nutshell, one may want to choose between installing: - xserver-xorg-core: the server itself, with no strings attached. - xserver-xorg: pulls the server and drivers, contains the X wrapper and some documentation. - xorg: pulls xserver-xorg as well as various X11 clients and fonts. -- Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org Wed, 16 Feb 2011 23:17:07 +0100 When did this dependency change occur? I installed Wheezy in Feb or Mar 2013 when it was still Testing. It became Stable in May of that year. The Installer chose the Nouveau driver for my nVidia graphic card. Sometime later (several months) I replaced it with the proprietary nVidia driver. About Oct or Nov, someone did a similar install using my notes, and didn't have any problems. Not doubting. Just curious. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140512102812.4e6f5...@debian7.boseck208.net
Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 12:29:55AM +, Martin T wrote: Hi, I installed Debian Wheezy with no desktop environment as I would like to use lightweight dwm window manager instead. However, as a first step, I need to install xserver. I would like to install minimal components needed for running the xserver. What are the exact components(binaries, libraries, configuration files, etc) needed to run xserver? Obviously xinit(starts X server session), but what else? Or are the components needed for running xserver so scattered that practically one needs to install xserver-xorg package which will handle all the dependencies needed? apt-get --no-install-recommends install xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg xinit libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-intel - change to appropriate driver for you machine xserver-xorg-input-synaptics - perhaps does not need, if it is not laptop bgl1-mesa-dri - for 3D, optional See dmesg(1) for above first two points. Also, perhaps you need install xterm. I don't remember exactly, it is default terminal emulator for me. For errors, if X does not started, see ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140511081532.GC9073@localhost
Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
On Sun 11 May 2014 at 00:29:55 +, Martin T wrote: I installed Debian Wheezy with no desktop environment as I would like to use lightweight dwm window manager instead. However, as a first step, I need to install xserver. I would like to install minimal components needed for running the xserver. What are the exact components(binaries, libraries, configuration files, etc) needed to run xserver? Obviously xinit(starts X server session), but what else? Or are the components needed for running xserver so scattered that practically one needs to install xserver-xorg package which will handle all the dependencies needed? If my notes are accurate ; from the last time I did it: xinit xserver-org xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-ati I'm fairly sure I installed the Recommends:. You may need to have different video packages. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/11052014103700.cece6f73b...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
On Du, 11 mai 14, 10:43:14, Brian wrote: On Sun 11 May 2014 at 00:29:55 +, Martin T wrote: I installed Debian Wheezy with no desktop environment as I would like to use lightweight dwm window manager instead. However, as a first step, I need to install xserver. I would like to install minimal components needed for running the xserver. What are the exact components(binaries, libraries, configuration files, etc) needed to run xserver? Obviously xinit(starts X server session), but what else? Or are the components needed for running xserver so scattered that practically one needs to install xserver-xorg package which will handle all the dependencies needed? If my notes are accurate ; from the last time I did it: xinit xserver-org Yes. xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse These two have been replaced by xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-ati I'm fairly sure I installed the Recommends:. You may need to have different video packages. Last time I did this I also needed an xfonts- package, like xfonts-base, but since it is a Recommends: of xserver-common I will probably be pulled in if one doesn't disable them. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
On 2014-05-11 11:43 +0200, Brian wrote: On Sun 11 May 2014 at 00:29:55 +, Martin T wrote: I installed Debian Wheezy with no desktop environment as I would like to use lightweight dwm window manager instead. However, as a first step, I need to install xserver. I would like to install minimal components needed for running the xserver. What are the exact components(binaries, libraries, configuration files, etc) needed to run xserver? Obviously xinit(starts X server session), but what else? Or are the components needed for running xserver so scattered that practically one needs to install xserver-xorg package which will handle all the dependencies needed? If my notes are accurate ; from the last time I did it: xinit xserver-org xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse Those are obsoleted by xserver-xorg-input-evdev. xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-ati I'm fairly sure I installed the Recommends:. You may need to have different video packages. I would also install the -vesa and -fbdev packages in case there are problems with the native driver. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87k39sfwn2@turtle.gmx.de
Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
On Sun 11 May 2014 at 13:14:28 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 11 mai 14, 10:43:14, Brian wrote: xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse These two have been replaced by xserver-xorg-input-evdev Thanks. I did have -evdev because it is a Depends: of xserver-xorg. -kbd and -mouse are now purged, which gives me about 300K of disk space back. xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-ati I'm fairly sure I installed the Recommends:. You may need to have different video packages. Last time I did this I also needed an xfonts- package, like xfonts-base, but since it is a Recommends: of xserver-common I will probably be pulled in if one doesn't disable them. After looking at the machine I'm now certain I didn't use recommended packages. There is no xfonts- package and (for what I use the machine for) there do not seem to be any ill-effects. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/11052014123428.945146821...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
On Sun 11 May 2014 at 12:16:33 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2014-05-11 11:43 +0200, Brian wrote: If my notes are accurate ; from the last time I did it: xinit xserver-org xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse Those are obsoleted by xserver-xorg-input-evdev. Thank you. xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-ati I'm fairly sure I installed the Recommends:. You may need to have different video packages. I would also install the -vesa and -fbdev packages in case there are problems with the native driver. Even though I've experienced no problems I suppose I could install them. After all, I now have a free 300K of space after purging -kbd and -mouse. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/11052014124714.47ed4e857...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 12:47:08PM +0100, Brian wrote: On Sun 11 May 2014 at 13:14:28 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 11 mai 14, 10:43:14, Brian wrote: xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse These two have been replaced by xserver-xorg-input-evdev Thanks. I did have -evdev because it is a Depends: of xserver-xorg. -kbd and -mouse are now purged, which gives me about 300K of disk space back. xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-ati I'm fairly sure I installed the Recommends:. You may need to have different video packages. Last time I did this I also needed an xfonts- package, like xfonts-base, but since it is a Recommends: of xserver-common I will probably be pulled in if one doesn't disable them. After looking at the machine I'm now certain I didn't use recommended packages. There is no xfonts- package and (for what I use the machine for) there do not seem to be any ill-effects. This are bitmap fonts. They are necessary for x11-apps and similar software, which today is not used by the majority. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140511165942.GD9073@localhost
Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
Thank you for replies! As I understand, xserver-xorg will install /usr/bin/X binary, which is a X Window Server itself and xinit installs the /usr/bin/xinit utility which starts the X Window Server and window manager(dwm in my case) as a X Windows Server client. As I have Intel 945GM video card, I need to install xserver-xorg-video-intel package, but why exactly is this needed? I mean at the moment, according to lspci -vvv, I use i915.ko driver and it's able to show the picture. Or is the performance lot better with intel_drv.so driver which will be installed with xserver-xorg-video-intel package? Or is it a problem for xserver if the driver module runs in kernel space? In addition, am I correct that xserver-xorg-input-evdev just installs the necessary user-space driver for handling mouse and keyboard input to xserver? regards, Martin On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Sun 11 May 2014 at 12:16:33 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2014-05-11 11:43 +0200, Brian wrote: If my notes are accurate ; from the last time I did it: xinit xserver-org xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse Those are obsoleted by xserver-xorg-input-evdev. Thank you. xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-ati I'm fairly sure I installed the Recommends:. You may need to have different video packages. I would also install the -vesa and -fbdev packages in case there are problems with the native driver. Even though I've experienced no problems I suppose I could install them. After all, I now have a free 300K of space after purging -kbd and -mouse. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/11052014124714.47ed4e857...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAJx5YvEjkxu1F=rnciasvhaeov3yctlug4hqe_bck18jwwh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
On Sun, 11 May 2014, Martin T wrote: Thank you for replies! As I understand, xserver-xorg will install /usr/bin/X binary, which is a X Window Server itself and xinit installs the /usr/bin/xinit utility which starts the X Window Server and window manager(dwm in my case) as a X Windows Server client. As I All I installed to get a running X on my Wheezy/Openbox minimal system was xserver-xorg-core and xinit. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140511163542.007f9...@debian7.boseck208.net
