Re: motherboard suggestions OT: ECC memory

2001-05-05 Thread freedman
On Sat, May 05, 2001, Allan Wind wrote:
> On 2001-05-04 15:21:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Note, though, that I've heard Athlon
> > doesn't play well with ECC, though it remains to be seen if this will
> > be improved for the Dual Athlons (as it should be); again, hopefully,
> > others can add more.
> 
> Asus K7V, Athlon @ 800 MHz w/ 256 MB ECC running just fine here (had
> to flash upgrade BIOS to get ECC support though).
> 
> 
> /Allan

Allan,

Glad to hear it!  I'm going the Athlon route (hopefully dual) myself
soon, and want to get PC2100 ECC memory with it, so I'm glad to know
you've made it work.  My above comment was just a repetition of
something that I'd read on one of the hardware review sites;
hopefully, I made it sufficiently clear that I could have been wrong,
as it turned out I was.  Incidentally, what I really meant by my
comment was that I had read that certain chipsets that support Athlons
due not play well with ECC.  I wonder if this is still possibly true,
and your Asus is just an example of a better motherboard which uses a
more-competently engineered chipset.  Let's see... What are the main
chipsets that support Athlon?  AMD 760, Via kt133, Ali Magick (?or
something), Sis (something I think).  Anyone know if there is anything
behind what I remember reading with one of these chipsets?  Or maybe
I'm just completely mistaken...

Anyway, take care and thanks for sharing your Athlon success with me.

-Daniel


-- 
Daniel A. Freedman
Laboratory for Atomic and Solid State Physics
Department of Physics
Cornell University



Re: motherboard suggestions OT: ECC memory

2001-05-05 Thread Allan Wind
On 2001-05-04 15:21:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Note, though, that I've heard Athlon
> doesn't play well with ECC, though it remains to be seen if this will
> be improved for the Dual Athlons (as it should be); again, hopefully,
> others can add more.

Asus K7V, Athlon @ 800 MHz w/ 256 MB ECC running just fine here (had
to flash upgrade BIOS to get ECC support though).


/Allan
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P.O. Box 2022   finger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (GPG/PGP)
Woburn, MA 01888-0022
USA


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Re: motherboard suggestions OT: ECC memory

2001-05-04 Thread John Hasler
> ECC (Error Correction Code) has an additional 9th bit for every 8 data
> bits to catch and correct certain errors...

That's just parity.  With only one extra bit you can detect single bit
errors, but you can't correct them.

> Note, though, that I've heard Athlon doesn't play well with ECC,...

That seems rather unlikely, since ECC is handled entirely in hardware in
the memory subsystem.
-- 
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI



Re: motherboard suggestions OT: ECC memory

2001-05-04 Thread freedman
On Fri, May 04, 2001, William Leese wrote:
> > I need to replace a dual PIII-600MHz motherboard, which apparently got
> > fried.  I'd appreciate any suggestions for a good, Linux friendly one.
> > Preferably something which can make use of ECC memory, which the dead
> > one (i840 chipset) couldn't.
> 
> one of those things i was going to look into put never got around to. whats 
> the difference between SDRAM and ECC SDRAM?
> 

Hi,

ECC (Error Correction Code) has an additional 9th bit for every 8 data
bits to catch and correct certain errors (though I've heard it is
designed more to catch the relatively rare stray bit flip errors, like
from passing cosmic rays, than the nasty errors that result from dying
memory, but I don't know the full story).  So normal SDRAM is for
example 32Mx64 (for 256Mb module), while ECC SDRAM is 32Mx72 (for same
256Mb with ECC capabilities).  In many cases you can get ECC
capabilities for maybe $8-10 more for a 256Mb module, in which case I
think it's a good investment.  Note, though, that I've heard Athlon
doesn't play well with ECC, though it remains to be seen if this will
be improved for the Dual Athlons (as it should be); again, hopefully,
others can add more.

Hope this helps and take care,

Daniel



-- 
Daniel A. Freedman
Laboratory for Atomic and Solid State Physics
Department of Physics
Cornell University



Re: motherboard suggestions OT: ECC memory

2001-05-04 Thread William Leese
> I need to replace a dual PIII-600MHz motherboard, which apparently got
> fried.  I'd appreciate any suggestions for a good, Linux friendly one.
> Preferably something which can make use of ECC memory, which the dead
> one (i840 chipset) couldn't.

one of those things i was going to look into put never got around to. whats 
the difference between SDRAM and ECC SDRAM?