Re: need help with sftp
On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 10:02:57AM -0700, Fred wrote: > Hi, > > On a new Sid installation I need to ftp some files to another computer on > the network. sftp appears to be the only ftp program available. The other > computers on the network do not use ssl so the ftp connection is refused > from both directions. One computer is using vsftp under Jessie. I don't > see any option that makes sftp just do plain ordinary ftp. Is this > hopeless? > apt install lftp -- john
Re: need help with sftp
On 2018-08-08 02:54, Fred wrote: On 08/07/2018 12:30 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 12:15:34PM -0700, Fred wrote: I need to ftp some files from a new Sid installation to either of two other computers on the network. Neither is configured for a "secure" version of ftp and there is no reason to do that and Sid only has sftp. If you only need an FTP client, that's easy enough. You can use the program "ftp" or if you want more features, you can install lftp and use that. The "ftp" package (which provides one of the possible /usr/bin/ftp client programs) has standard priority, so it should be installed already. Hi, I am abandoning this as I found another way to transfer the files. Thanks for the help! the easy way to share files is to setup ssh sshd with keys with a passphrase and use scp to move the files about or putty and Winscp on windows mick Best regards, Fred -- Key ID4BFEBB31
Re: need help with sftp
On 08/07/2018 12:30 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 12:15:34PM -0700, Fred wrote: I need to ftp some files from a new Sid installation to either of two other computers on the network. Neither is configured for a "secure" version of ftp and there is no reason to do that and Sid only has sftp. If you only need an FTP client, that's easy enough. You can use the program "ftp" or if you want more features, you can install lftp and use that. The "ftp" package (which provides one of the possible /usr/bin/ftp client programs) has standard priority, so it should be installed already. Hi, I am abandoning this as I found another way to transfer the files. Thanks for the help! Best regards, Fred
Re: need help with sftp
On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 12:15:34PM -0700, Fred wrote: > I need to ftp some files from a new Sid installation to either of two other > computers on the network. Neither is configured for a "secure" version of > ftp and there is no reason to do that and Sid only has sftp. If you only need an FTP client, that's easy enough. You can use the program "ftp" or if you want more features, you can install lftp and use that. The "ftp" package (which provides one of the possible /usr/bin/ftp client programs) has standard priority, so it should be installed already.
Re: need help with sftp
On 08/07/2018 10:20 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 09:53:57AM -0700, Fred wrote: On a new Sid installation I need to ftp some files to another computer on the network. sftp appears to be the only ftp program available. The other computers on the network do not use ssl so the ftp connection is refused from both directions. One computer is using vsftp under Jessie. I don't see any option that makes sftp just do plain ordinary ftp. Is this hopeless? https://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie SFTP and FTP are completely different protocols. They have nothing in common except 3 letters in their names. SFTP is implemented on the server side by sshd. You connect with an SFTP client (e.g. the sftp command, or an sshfs mounted file system) using the same credentials that you would use for a regular ssh session. SFTP is encrypted, it can be tunnelled through a firewall, etc. FTP has none of those features. If you actually *need* to use FTP for some reason (legacy systems on the network), note first that Debian does NOT install an FTP server package by default, but it offers several of them. You can choose one, and install it, and then you will be able to make FTP connections to your Debian system. Authentication will be done using whatever your chosen FTP server package uses. Traffic will be unencrypted, and will fly around in random directions depending on which mode you use, and everything will fall apart when there are firewalls between client and server. If you think that you need FTP because of Microsoft Windows systems, please note that there are many user-friendly graphical SFTP clients for Microsoft Windows. You are probably not restricted to its built-in FTP client. Hi, I need to ftp some files from a new Sid installation to either of two other computers on the network. Neither is configured for a "secure" version of ftp and there is no reason to do that and Sid only has sftp. I would be happy to install a less secure ftp package on the Sid installation but will need help doing that instead. The default sources list for Sid apparently needs to be changed so that packages can be installed. I have not had time to research that yet. I do not use Bill Gates' cancerous, virus-infested, scourge of the Earth excuse for an OS! Best regards, Fred
Re: need help with sftp
On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 09:53:57AM -0700, Fred wrote: > On a new Sid installation I need to ftp some files to another computer on > the network. sftp appears to be the only ftp program available. The other > computers on the network do not use ssl so the ftp connection is refused > from both directions. One computer is using vsftp under Jessie. I don't > see any option that makes sftp just do plain ordinary ftp. Is this > hopeless? https://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie SFTP and FTP are completely different protocols. They have nothing in common except 3 letters in their names. SFTP is implemented on the server side by sshd. You connect with an SFTP client (e.g. the sftp command, or an sshfs mounted file system) using the same credentials that you would use for a regular ssh session. SFTP is encrypted, it can be tunnelled through a firewall, etc. FTP has none of those features. If you actually *need* to use FTP for some reason (legacy systems on the network), note first that Debian does NOT install an FTP server package by default, but it offers several of them. You can choose one, and install it, and then you will be able to make FTP connections to your Debian system. Authentication will be done using whatever your chosen FTP server package uses. Traffic will be unencrypted, and will fly around in random directions depending on which mode you use, and everything will fall apart when there are firewalls between client and server. If you think that you need FTP because of Microsoft Windows systems, please note that there are many user-friendly graphical SFTP clients for Microsoft Windows. You are probably not restricted to its built-in FTP client.
Re: need help with sftp
On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 09:53:57AM -0700, Fred wrote: > Hi, > > On a new Sid installation I need to ftp some files to another computer on > the network. sftp appears to be the only ftp program available. The other > computers on the network do not use ssl so the ftp connection is refused > from both directions. One computer is using vsftp under Jessie. I don't > see any option that makes sftp just do plain ordinary ftp. Is this > hopeless? > sftp != ftp != ftps sftp - "secure" ftp (i.e., implementation of FTP-like protocol, that is not actually FTP, over SSH transport) ftp - "traditional" file transfer protocol ftps - FTP with SSL (very rarely used) If the server in question is running vsftpd, then you want to use a client like lftp or inetutils-ftp or similar. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez
Re: need help with sftp
On 8/7/2018 6:53 PM, Fred wrote: Hi, On a new Sid installation I need to ftp some files to another computer on the network. sftp appears to be the only ftp program available. The other computers on the network do not use ssl so the ftp connection is refused from both directions. One computer is using vsftp under Jessie. I don't see any option that makes sftp just do plain ordinary ftp. Is this hopeless? To use sftp you need to have ssh setup between the client and the server. Basically, it will only work if both the client and server are using the same protocol. What protocol(s) do you have available on the client and the server? -- John Doe
