Re: new packages

[songbird]

Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 02:42:20PM -0400, songbird wrote:
>>   when you run:
>> 
>> $ apt-get upgrade
>> 
>> it will not add any new programs, but when you run:
>> 
>> $ apt-get dist-upgrade
>> 
>> it will tell you which are new of the updates it is
>> going to perform (if any).
>
> I strongly recommend using the half-documented -u option here:
>
> apt-get -u upgrade
>
> It's not in the man page, but it IS in the "apt-get -h" output.
>
> That way you'll have some warning of which services are going to be
> affected.  If, for example, you see that your database server is
> going to be upgraded, and you know that this will impact your users,
> you may want to wait until a less busy time to do the upgrade, and
> shut down your database-client application(s), etc.
>
> This is also one of the reasons why unattended upgrades are not on
> by default.

  not to worry, only one person uses this system
and i never do unattended upgrades (running testing 
or unstable at times).

  when i ran a production system there was a whole
series of things needed to take the system down and
up again.  when people today complain that the system
takes a few seconds longer to boot i mention that
ours took 12hrs (or longer).


  songbird

Re: new packages

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 09:00:05PM +0100, Dejan Jocic wrote:
> Actually, it is in the man page of apt-get:
> 
>  -u, --show-upgraded

Hmm... missing in stretch.  Present in jessie.  Maybe stretch decided
to turn it on by default?  (Stretch documents a "--no-show-upgraded"
option with no short equivalent.  Also, the -u option is accepted
without complaint.  Backward compatibility?)

Also, the -u in "apt-get -h" was from jessie... my bad, for reading
the man page on stretch, but then using apt-get -h on jessie.  I didn't
expect there to be such a large difference between the two.

So, testing... yes.  It does appear that "apt-get upgrade" and
"apt-get -u upgrade" both do the same thing on stretch.  I'll probably
still type the -u anyway, out of habit, and because I have many older
systems that need it.

Re: new packages

[Dejan Jocic]

On 23-03-17, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 02:42:20PM -0400, songbird wrote:
> >   when you run:
> > 
> > $ apt-get upgrade
> > 
> > it will not add any new programs, but when you run:
> > 
> > $ apt-get dist-upgrade
> > 
> > it will tell you which are new of the updates it is
> > going to perform (if any).
> 
> I strongly recommend using the half-documented -u option here:
> 
> apt-get -u upgrade
> 
> It's not in the man page, but it IS in the "apt-get -h" output.
> 
> That way you'll have some warning of which services are going to be
> affected.  If, for example, you see that your database server is
> going to be upgraded, and you know that this will impact your users,
> you may want to wait until a less busy time to do the upgrade, and
> shut down your database-client application(s), etc.
> 
> This is also one of the reasons why unattended upgrades are not on
> by default.
> 
Actually, it is in the man page of apt-get:

 -u, --show-upgraded
Show upgraded packages; print out a list of all packages
that are
   to be upgraded. Configuration Item:
   APT::Get::Show-Upgraded.


Also, another option that could be more useful:

-s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run, --recon, --no-act
No action; perform a simulation of events that would occur based on
the current system state but do not actually change the system.
Locking will be disabled (Debug::NoLocking) so the system state
could change while apt-get is running. Simulations can also be
executed by non-root users which might not have read access to all
apt configuration distorting the simulation. A notice expressing
this warning is also shown by default for non-root users
(APT::Get::Show-User-Simulation-Note). Configuration Item:
APT::Get::Simulate.
   
Have fun :)

Re: new packages

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 02:42:20PM -0400, songbird wrote:
>   when you run:
> 
> $ apt-get upgrade
> 
> it will not add any new programs, but when you run:
> 
> $ apt-get dist-upgrade
> 
> it will tell you which are new of the updates it is
> going to perform (if any).

I strongly recommend using the half-documented -u option here:

apt-get -u upgrade

It's not in the man page, but it IS in the "apt-get -h" output.

That way you'll have some warning of which services are going to be
affected.  If, for example, you see that your database server is
going to be upgraded, and you know that this will impact your users,
you may want to wait until a less busy time to do the upgrade, and
shut down your database-client application(s), etc.

This is also one of the reasons why unattended upgrades are not on
by default.

Re: new packages

[songbird]

Pol Hallen wrote:
> Hi all :-)
>
> is there a tool to see periodically new packages added to 
> repository?(mainly I use testing)
>
> thanks!

  when you run:

$ apt-get upgrade

it will not add any new programs, but when you run:

$ apt-get dist-upgrade

it will tell you which are new of the updates it is
going to perform (if any).

if you want the gui approach synaptic will show you 
which packages are new in the repository (under the
status option).

  those are the only two things i use for upgrades
these days (i purged aptitude a while ago after i
realized i never use it any longer).


  songbird

Re: new packages

[Reco]

Hi.

On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:17:18 +0100
Pol Hallen  wrote:

> Hi all :-)
> 
> is there a tool to see periodically new packages added to 
> repository?(mainly I use testing)

aptitude forget-new
aptitude update
aptitude search ~N

Reco

Re: new packages

[John Fleming]

On Thursday 28 July 2005 04:49 pm, Alle Meije Wink wrote:
 Hello,

 My apt-get, although it appears to be working fine, has not found
 updated packages for the the last week. Is this because actually no
 packages have been updated or is there another reason?

 Best wishes
 Alle Meije



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Re: new packages

[Nils-Erik Svangård]

John Fleming wrote:


On Thursday 28 July 2005 04:49 pm, Alle Meije Wink wrote:
 


Hello,

My apt-get, although it appears to be working fine, has not found
updated packages for the the last week. Is this because actually no
packages have been updated or is there another reason?

Best wishes
Alle Meije



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Which distro?


 


I'm running unstable and experiancing this.
/nisse


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Re: new packages

[Nils-Erik Svangård]

Heh.. I thought it was just my selection of packages. When I run apt-get 
update; apt-get upgrade, I usually get atleast 10 upgrades per day, but 
in recent days none of the packages I use has been updated. A first I 
thougt the mirror I used stopped updating, so I changed to the main 
archive, but there havent been any updates there either.

/nisse

Alle Meije Wink wrote:


Hello,

My apt-get, although it appears to be working fine, has not found
updated packages for the the last week. Is this because actually no
packages have been updated or is there another reason?

Best wishes
Alle Meije



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Re: new packages

[Pollywog]

On 07/28/2005 09:49 pm, Alle Meije Wink wrote:
 Hello,

 My apt-get, although it appears to be working fine, has not found
 updated packages for the the last week. Is this because actually no
 packages have been updated or is there another reason?

There were two or three security updates yesterday.  If you are using 
stable, be sure you have security URL's in your sources.list.
It is possible that you don't have heimdal, ekg, or libgadu3 on your system 
and if that is the case, you would not have seen updates.  If you are a 
Kopete user, you probably do have libgadu3 libraries on your system and those 
should be upgraded.  The security advisory suggested restarting Kopete after 
updating the packages.


8)


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Re: new packages

[Bryan Donlan]

On 7/28/05, Nils-Erik Svangård [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Heh.. I thought it was just my selection of packages. When I run apt-get
 update; apt-get upgrade, I usually get atleast 10 upgrades per day, but
 in recent days none of the packages I use has been updated. A first I
 thougt the mirror I used stopped updating, so I changed to the main
 archive, but there havent been any updates there either.
 /nisse

ftp-master.d.o was down until just recently. As it is the master
debian mirror, none of the other mirrors were updating during that
time. Package updates should resume soon, hopefully.

Re: new packages

[Nils-Erik Svangård]

Bryan Donlan wrote:


On 7/28/05, Nils-Erik Svangård [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 


Heh.. I thought it was just my selection of packages. When I run apt-get
update; apt-get upgrade, I usually get atleast 10 upgrades per day, but
in recent days none of the packages I use has been updated. A first I
thougt the mirror I used stopped updating, so I changed to the main
archive, but there havent been any updates there either.
/nisse
   



ftp-master.d.o was down until just recently. As it is the master
debian mirror, none of the other mirrors were updating during that
time. Package updates should resume soon, hopefully.

 


:D That would explain everything!
Thanks for the fast reply!
/nisse


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Re: New packages

[Paul Johnson]

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On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 01:08:59AM +0100, Antony Gelberg wrote:
 I've found a rather useful little app that doesn't appear to be in the
 distribution yet.  How can I go about getting it in there?  I have
 looked through the Debian policy page, but couldn't find what I was
 looking for.

Start following debian-devel and go search through the new maintainer
documentation over on the website. 

Not to discourage you if you want to make a real effort, but if
finding this info sounds hard you might want to stick around until
you're better acquainted with the distro before making Debian
packages, much less applying to maintain your own packages as an
official part of Debian.

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Re: New packages

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 01:08:59AM +0100, Antony Gelberg wrote:
 I've found a rather useful little app that doesn't appear to be in the
 distribution yet.  How can I go about getting it in there?  I have
 looked through the Debian policy page, but couldn't find what I was
 looking for.

  http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp

(The information there is mainly written for a developer audience, so
you might need to read the documentation on the bug tracking system
first.)

 The other thing is that clearly it would need to go into unstable
 first?

Yes.

 And I run Woody all the way.  Does this mean that someone else would
 need to maintain the package?

Probably, although I'm not sure how that follows from your previous
statement. If it were just a matter of getting the thing built for
upload, you could build an unstable chroot to do that. For installing it
on your system, as long as the package doesn't use bleeding-edge build
system features (none of mine do, last time I checked), you could
backport it fairly easily to woody.

Certainly, if you're keen, you'd be welcome to apply to join the project
and do it yourself. However, that takes some time and implies a level of
long-term commitment, so if it's just a matter of getting this one
program packaged it would be easier to file an RFP and see if any
existing developers are interested in picking up the package.

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Re: New packages

[Antony Gelberg]

On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 09:45:22AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
 Probably, although I'm not sure how that follows from your previous
 statement. If it were just a matter of getting the thing built for
 upload, you could build an unstable chroot to do that. For installing it
 on your system, as long as the package doesn't use bleeding-edge build
 system features (none of mine do, last time I checked), you could
 backport it fairly easily to woody.
 
 Certainly, if you're keen, you'd be welcome to apply to join the project
 and do it yourself. However, that takes some time and implies a level of
 long-term commitment, so if it's just a matter of getting this one
 program packaged it would be easier to file an RFP and see if any
 existing developers are interested in picking up the package.
 

It was requested way back in the mists of time:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=nobug=88603
But:
 The person who originately filed this ITP, doesn't seem to have
 any interest in it anymore.  Therefore, I'm retitling it to an
 RFP.  If anyone is interested in packaging this software, feel
 free to take it.

I am happy to join the project and do it myself.  Do I need to submit a new ITP?

Antony


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Re: New packages

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 10:43:05AM +0100, Antony Gelberg wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 09:45:22AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
  Certainly, if you're keen, you'd be welcome to apply to join the project
  and do it yourself. However, that takes some time and implies a level of
  long-term commitment, so if it's just a matter of getting this one
  program packaged it would be easier to file an RFP and see if any
  existing developers are interested in picking up the package.
 
 It was requested way back in the mists of time:
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=nobug=88603
 But:
  The person who originately filed this ITP, doesn't seem to have
  any interest in it anymore.  Therefore, I'm retitling it to an
  RFP.  If anyone is interested in packaging this software, feel
  free to take it.
 
 I am happy to join the project and do it myself.  Do I need to submit
 a new ITP?

Don't file a new bug, but retitle the existing one to an ITP. You can
look for a sponsor on the debian-mentors list.

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Re: new packages

[joost witteveen]

 Hiya,
 
 Just curious. I've noticed a few letters making references to packages
 such as ldso_1.8.10-1_i386.deb and libc5 version 5.4.3 and yet, I'm
 unable to find these new packages in unstable. Where could I find them?

On any mirror :

  debian/unstable/binary-i386/base/ldso_1.8.10-1_i386.deb
  debian/rex-fixed/binary-i386/base/libc5.4.20-1_i386.deb

(I'm not sure about the excact locations; if you want new stuff,
just always go to unstable).
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