Re: newbie can't install 3.1
On 02 August 2005 Robert Kopp wrote: > A Windows application, explore2fs, allows access to > files in ext2 and ext3 partitions, so they are > accessible when Windows is running. There is IMHO an even better solution, a real driver for Windows XP for Ext2/3 file systems: http://www.fs-driver.org/download.html Works great here on 2 machines (only for XP not for Win 9x/Me). Peter -- peter_sulzer doesn't like spam and this is my domain: t-online.de
Re: newbie can't install 3.1
--- Rajiv Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/31/05, Hans-Peter Sulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On 26 July 2005 schrieb Evans wrote: > > > > > I don't know much, and figured the best way to > learn linux is by having > > it. > > > Unfortunately, the installation looked like it > only half succeeded. The > > gui > > > won't work, and it won't auto-config my network > card (I'm often on a big > > > lan, and windows works). Of that I am certain, > and other things might > > not > > > work either. I'm seeing a lot of "blabbedy blah > failed to load" or > > similar > > > in the boot-up process. Unfortunately, I can't > take screenshots to > > > troubleshoot, because I have to reboot to run > windows, the OS where I can > > > get on the internet, and therefore any possible > support. Any help would > > be > > > most appreciated. A Windows application, explore2fs, allows access to files in ext2 and ext3 partitions, so they are accessible when Windows is running. Robert "Tim" Kopp http://analytic.tripod.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newbie can't install 3.1
Rajiv Vyas wrote:
>On 7/31/05, Hans-Peter Sulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>On 26 July 2005 schrieb Evans wrote:
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>>>I don't know much, and figured the best way to learn linux is by having it.
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>>>Unfortunately, the installation looked like it only half succeeded. The gui
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>>>won't work, and it won't auto-config my network card (I'm often on a big
>>>lan, and windows works). Of that I am certain, and other things might not
>>>
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>>>work either. I'm seeing a lot of "blabbedy blah failed to load" or similar
>>>
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>>>in the boot-up process. Unfortunately, I can't take screenshots to
>>>troubleshoot, because I have to reboot to run windows, the OS where I can
>>>get on the internet, and therefore any possible support. Any help would be
>>>
>>>
>>>most appreciated. I'm sorry if I'm asking the wrong people, but I just
>>>haven't seen any newbie faqs or mailing lists.
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>>>
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>I am a newbie too and I think Knoppix is good start. But if you like
>Linux and want to install it on your HD, then IMHO, Ubuntu is probably
>better.
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>
Or you could just go ahead and stick with Debian.
However, a LiveCD such as Ubuntu or Knoppix or Kanotix would be a good
test to make sure your hardware (ethernet card, etc) is compatible with
Linux.
In order to configure your network, you need the appropriate module
("driver") installed for your network adapter, and you need to configure
the software side of things (DHCP vs static address, etc).
Generally Debian 3.1 does a pretty good job of autodetecting hardware.
If your network doesn't work, that makes me suspect that your network
adapter is not supported by Linux. But that's only a suspicion.
First, find out what your network chipset is: run "lspci" and look for a
line concerning your ethernet adapter. What does it say the chipset is?
The one on this machine looks like:
> :00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX
> (rev 20)
>From various resources (Google), it can be found that this chipset uses
the "tulip" module. Running "modconf" I can then insert the tulip
module, and now my ethernet adapter should be available.
Next, the networking software needs to be configured. This is done in
"/etc/network/interfaces". Assuming you'll be using DHCP, it'll need to
look like this:
# /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8)
> # The loopback interface
> # automatically added when upgrading
> auto lo
> iface lo inet loopback
>
> auto eth0
> iface eth0 inet dhcp
Finally, you need to (re)start networking, which can be accomplished
with the command "/etc/init.d/networking restart".
You should now be able to ping, ftp, use lynx, ssh, etc.
Now finish installing the GUI (the X Window System) with the commands
"aptitude update" and "aptitude install x-window-system kde gnome".
Now you should be able to start X either by rebooting or by running
"startx" or by running "/etc/init.d/kdm" (assuming you chose KDM rather
than GDM for your graphical login manager when asked in the above
"aptitude install..." command).
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Re: newbie can't install 3.1
On 7/31/05, Hans-Peter Sulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 26 July 2005 schrieb Evans wrote: > > > I don't know much, and figured the best way to learn linux is by having > it. > > Unfortunately, the installation looked like it only half succeeded. The > gui > > won't work, and it won't auto-config my network card (I'm often on a big > > lan, and windows works). Of that I am certain, and other things might > not > > work either. I'm seeing a lot of "blabbedy blah failed to load" or > similar > > in the boot-up process. Unfortunately, I can't take screenshots to > > troubleshoot, because I have to reboot to run windows, the OS where I can > > get on the internet, and therefore any possible support. Any help would > be > > most appreciated. I'm sorry if I'm asking the wrong people, but I just > > haven't seen any newbie faqs or mailing lists. > I am a newbie too and I think Knoppix is good start. But if you like Linux and want to install it on your HD, then IMHO, Ubuntu is probably better. The base is again Debian and you can apt-get most of the software that's available for Debian. The difference is that when you install Knoppix on HD it somehow looses its ability to recognize hardware. About three years ago, I had RHAT 7.3 on my machine but when I switched to broadband, it did not recognize my ethernet card and I could not get on the Internet. I reinstalled it, tried SuSE., but didn't work for some reason (finally succeeded with RHAT). Knoppix came to my rescue. But when I installed Knoppix on HD, it was not able to recognize the card. Anyways, Ubuntu is pretty good with most hardware, including printers, monitors, ethernet and surprisingly even sound. Unlike Debian, you wouldn't have to tell the OS what the horizontal and vertical config of your monitor is. Rajiv
Re: newbie can't install 3.1
On 26 July 2005 schrieb Evans wrote: > I don't know much, and figured the best way to learn linux is by having it. > Unfortunately, the installation looked like it only half succeeded. The gui > won't work, and it won't auto-config my network card (I'm often on a big > lan, and windows works). Of that I am certain, and other things might not > work either. I'm seeing a lot of "blabbedy blah failed to load" or similar > in the boot-up process. Unfortunately, I can't take screenshots to > troubleshoot, because I have to reboot to run windows, the OS where I can > get on the internet, and therefore any possible support. Any help would be > most appreciated. I'm sorry if I'm asking the wrong people, but I just > haven't seen any newbie faqs or mailing lists. OK, I hope I understand you really. Your'e an absolute beginner on UNIX? That's what we talk about here. A good start is "Knoppix". It is based on Debian, runs directly from CD/DVD (4.0), _and_ per default you can't write to your disks (locally and network). Of course you can, but you must explicitly set this feature. It detects all your drives (even OS/2 ones!) and mounts them read only :-) (Every drive must be mounted on UNIX, before it can be used albeit nowadays auto mounter exists for special drives (like CD/DVDs, USB-sticks). Knoppix is of course delivered with _all_ autoloaders (I haven't 'til now not seen any PC, where it didn't boot to GUI. Sound-, printing- Internet-support after a really short and very simply configuration). You can install it later on a Partition on your hard disk and you have nearly a real Debian installation. It is not a real distribution (like Fedora/Red Hat or SUSE), because, when installing, you can't select any packages. It just installs all packages, which are also available in the CD-version... _ B U T _ it doesn't configure them, and, for the first time, you are (most probably) root, when you log in. In Knoppix (from CD) you mustn't log in (there are no passwords allowed). If you want to start programs for which you need root access, you must (in Knoppix) use the "sudo" command, e. g.: cfdisk ... "Error, only root may do this" sudo cfdisk [starts the interactive FDISK program of Linux, nearly as pretty as the OS/2-FDISK :-)] After you have installed it you have some problems (for me one of the greatest, was to get Internet access via ISDN, AFAIK). AND, if you have installed it, you most often want a printer ;-) You never have thought about it, as long as you have played (IMHO "flirting" would be better) with it. It is very good then, if you have a PostScript printer. I have had the luck to have one :-) But I have heard a lot of trouble, people have had with printers not supporting PostScript (you then normally have to use the GhostScrips program). Then, and only then, you can start using it. You can start, to figure out the excellent package management tools, to install _and_ deinstall (purge)"programs". You can even simply compile your favorite programs. For me it was the Sinclair Ql emulator of Richard Zidlicky (DUNNO if spelling is correct). "QL" is the Computer, Linus Torvalds have had used, before he bought the famous '386 on which he developed Linux (which doesn't have had a name at this time). The first Linux programs were two programs. I don't know exactly what they did, but principally the following scheme: progA PRINT A progB PRINT B Linus was absolutely happy, that this worked on a computer (at this time, 1991 or so) normally running with a MS-DOS operating system. Please note, it was not one program, which printed A and then B. It were two programs running at the same time, totally independent, one printing A, the other B. In QDOS (OS of the QL) such things were a "Klacks" (as on an Amiga which appeared one and a halve year later) but for a DOSe (nickname in German for PCs with DOS/Windows-Operating Systems) this was revolutionary(!). BTW: This is called Multitasking. Well try Knoppix, and see if you like UNIX (very, very good), Linux (meanwhile very, very good), BSD (even better, but difficult to find friends, who can help you). You have to learn a new operating system, but you should, before you learn it, know, if you like it. If you don't like it, don't learn it, but learn another operating system (Symbian, sounds similar to Debian :-), is very pretty, but is currently IMHO only available for mobile phones) or stay with Windows. In Martin F. Kraffts book "The Debian System" buy the version of "open source Press" it lays flat - there is one important sentence. I couldn't find it now, but it says: Debian will not be the most power full operating system in the world, but the most power full operating system for its users. (It isn't it currently for me, cause OS/2 is better, especially because of its WPS - grin) > Thanks > Dan If you are really a real Newbie, I hope, this would have helped you. > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject
Re: newbie can't install 3.1
Jon Dowland wrote: > Kent West wrote: > >> #apt-get install aptitude >> >> #aptitude install x-window-system kde gnome icewm wmaker fluxbox >> >> (This assumes you've got plenty of free drive space, say a couple of >> hundred megs. > > The 'desktop environment' task, which does not include > icewm/wmaker/fluxbox, but does include the other three there, is 1.5GB > unpacked - I think a couple of hundred megs might be an underestimate :) "Yeah, 220, 221, whatever it takes." :-) (Quote from the Michael Keaton movie "Mr. Mom") Thanks for the correction, Jon; I had no idea those three were that huge. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newbie can't install 3.1
Kent West wrote: #apt-get install aptitude #aptitude install x-window-system kde gnome icewm wmaker fluxbox (This assumes you've got plenty of free drive space, say a couple of hundred megs. The 'desktop environment' task, which does not include icewm/wmaker/fluxbox, but does include the other three there, is 1.5GB unpacked - I think a couple of hundred megs might be an underestimate :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newbie can't install 3.1
Dylan Evans wrote: > I don't know much, and figured the best way to learn linux is by > having it. Unfortunately, the installation looked like it only half > succeeded. The gui won't work At a command prompt, as root, try the commands: #apt-get install aptitude #aptitude install x-window-system kde gnome icewm wmaker fluxbox (This assumes you've got plenty of free drive space, say a couple of hundred megs. If not, the second command might should be "aptitude install x-window-system icewm".) Then try: #/etc/init.d/kdm start If that doesn't bring up a graphical login, repeat, and try gdm, or wdm, or xdm instead of kdm. If none of those work, try "startx". If all of the above fails to get X working for you, please post the lines marked with (EE) from /var/log/XFree86.0.log. You can copy this file to your shared Windows partition (or a Flashfob, floppy, etc) to get to the file when booted into Windows. > , and it won't auto-config my network card What does the network-related line from the output of "lspci" say is its chipset? -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newbie can't install 3.1
Dylan Evans wrote: I don't know much, and figured the best way to learn linux is by having it. Unfortunately, the installation looked like it only half succeeded. The gui won't work, and it won't auto-config my network card (I'm often on a big lan, and windows works). Of that I am certain, and other things might not work either. I'm seeing a lot of "blabbedy blah failed to load" or similar in the boot-up process. Unfortunately, I can't take screenshots to troubleshoot, because I have to reboot to run windows, the OS where I can get on the internet, and therefore any possible support. Any help would be most appreciated. I'm sorry if I'm asking the wrong people, but I just haven't seen any newbie faqs or mailing lists. Dan, What exactly did you do? In some detail, because the blabbedy blahs matter, it tells what happens. H -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newbie can't install 3.1
Dylan Evans wrote: I don't know much, and figured the best way to learn linux is by having it. Unfortunately, the installation looked like it only half succeeded. The gui won't work, and it won't auto-config my network card (I'm often on a big lan, and windows works). Of that I am certain, and other things might not work either. I'm seeing a lot of "blabbedy blah failed to load" or similar in the boot-up process. Unfortunately, I can't take screenshots to troubleshoot, because I have to reboot to run windows, the OS where I can get on the internet, and therefore any possible support. Any help would be most appreciated. I'm sorry if I'm asking the wrong people, but I just haven't seen any newbie faqs or mailing lists. Thanks Dan Hi Dylan You have not given us any info to help you. Just saying that it does not work, does not solve the problem. Please give us more info. The following would be a starting point. 1) From where did you download the installation files? 2) What method are you using to install - floppies/cd images/net installation image/usb/remote network ...? 3) What is your hardware? What is your network card? What is the configuration of the system? Is it a desktop or laptop? We can start from there and figure out what the cause of problem really is! raju -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
