Re: oh no something is definitely wrong adieu debian.
Am 29.08.2013 um 14:22 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 12:09 +, Curt wrote: He's at a Coorsfest saying sometimes he prefers Budweiser. I can't find a translation for Coorsfest and there seems to be no Coors beer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coors_Brewing_Company It's of German origin. We do have very good beer in Germany, but AFAIK Budweiser is a real Pils, perhaps not the exported versions, but Czechia is the mother of good beer. Budweis was part of Austria at this time. The Pils brewing method is an improved Bavarian brewing method. One year older is Lager invented in Schwechat near Vienna/Austria. I only will drink beer from Germany, Austria and Czechia anything else isn't beer, an exception perhaps is Belgian beer, assumed you prefer exotic beer flavour. Hopefully nobody does call e.g. Guinness a beer :D. It's a matter of taste. But it seems I have a similar taste like you. Helmut Wollmersdorfer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/d4b2513c-fe63-4068-84c4-ee38b19bb...@fixpunkt.de
Re: oh no something is definitely wrong adieu debian.
On 29/08/13 13:22, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 12:09 +, Curt wrote: On 2013-08-29, Chris Bannistercbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On another note, would you go to your local beerfest and ramble on about the dangers of alcohol? or go round to peoples' houses and ramble on about some dead guy ... oops hang on. He's at a Coorsfest saying sometimes he prefers Budweiser. I can't find a translation for Coorsfest and there seems to be no Coors beer. We do have very good beer in Germany, but AFAIK Budweiser is a real Pils, perhaps not the exported versions, but Czechia is the mother of good beer. I only will drink beer from Germany, Austria and Czechia anything else isn't beer, an exception perhaps is Belgian beer, assumed you prefer exotic beer flavour. Hopefully nobody does call e.g. Guinness a beer :D. That is because Guinness is a stout, which is not a beer! -- Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5221d2f9.2000...@rakupottery.org.uk
Re: oh no something is definitely wrong adieu debian.
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:09:44 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 18:58 +0100, Joe wrote: Some of the English also like beer, and while German lagers are well respected, so are Belgian and Danish ones, and some of us prefer unpasteurised bitters. Some even prefer fermented apple juice... Yes, some Danish beer and even some English/Irish beers are passable. Belgian is known for good, but exotic beer flavours. I can't say much pro or con Belgian beer, I don't know their beer good enough. There's a lot of drinkable Lager on our planet, I would drink a Fosters when thirsty and nothing else should be available. The English and Irish folks perhaps should learn to use refrigerators, I guess no beer from any country does taste good when it's not could. Would you chill red wine? Unpasteurised bitter is drunk for its taste, much of which is lost when chilled. Agreed, lager must be very cold, like white wine. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130830092333.51cfc...@jretrading.com
Re: oh no something is definitely wrong adieu debian.
Le 30.08.2013 10:23, Joe a écrit : On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:09:44 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 18:58 +0100, Joe wrote: Some of the English also like beer, and while German lagers are well respected, so are Belgian and Danish ones, and some of us prefer unpasteurised bitters. Some even prefer fermented apple juice... Yes, some Danish beer and even some English/Irish beers are passable. Belgian is known for good, but exotic beer flavours. I can't say much pro or con Belgian beer, I don't know their beer good enough. There's a lot of drinkable Lager on our planet, I would drink a Fosters when thirsty and nothing else should be available. The English and Irish folks perhaps should learn to use refrigerators, I guess no beer from any country does taste good when it's not could. Would you chill red wine? Unpasteurised bitter is drunk for its taste, much of which is lost when chilled. Agreed, lager must be very cold, like white wine. -- Joe Technically, it depends on the red wine. I am not good with wines, but in France I know people which drink *some* red wines cold ( around 12° IIRC ). Same for some white wines, some are better to ambient temper. I could ask my father about that, he knows wine better than me, but I think it depends on if the wine is sec or another variant. I like to compare beers (that I prefer, although I do not say no to some wine) with wines: there are too many sorts to have rules of thumb. Except that the foster is for when there is nothing else, of course, but you know what? French guys are able to make worse... (I will not name them except if asked for, because I have big problems to name those stuff beers) I think that most countries are able to brew some drinkable beers, anyway. In France I like the jeanlain, even if I know that we are not as good as Belgians for beers (I have no real knowledge about Germany's beers. As I never say that I know beer, only that I know them better than average French people ;) ). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/00359a1cea1e133933b74edbe060f...@neutralite.org
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On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 17:55 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: You've either changed your tune or are being sarcastic? It even wasn't sarcastic, it's meant ironically ;). On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 18:12 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: All software has bugs No, very small programs likely could be absolutely free of bugs and by random even a very voluminous software, even written in a high level language, could be without a bug, but you are right, nobody can test all nearly impossible situations for voluminous software, especially when running on multi tasking machines. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1377761498.684.22.camel@archlinux
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On 2013-08-29, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On another note, would you go to your local beerfest and ramble on about the dangers of alcohol? or go round to peoples' houses and ramble on about some dead guy ... oops hang on. He's at a Coorsfest saying sometimes he prefers Budweiser. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnl1ueh5.2e4.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: oh no something is definitely wrong adieu debian.
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 12:09 +, Curt wrote: On 2013-08-29, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On another note, would you go to your local beerfest and ramble on about the dangers of alcohol? or go round to peoples' houses and ramble on about some dead guy ... oops hang on. He's at a Coorsfest saying sometimes he prefers Budweiser. I can't find a translation for Coorsfest and there seems to be no Coors beer. We do have very good beer in Germany, but AFAIK Budweiser is a real Pils, perhaps not the exported versions, but Czechia is the mother of good beer. I only will drink beer from Germany, Austria and Czechia anything else isn't beer, an exception perhaps is Belgian beer, assumed you prefer exotic beer flavour. Hopefully nobody does call e.g. Guinness a beer :D. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/138954.3536.42.camel@archlinux
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On 2013-08-29, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I can't find a translation for Coorsfest and there seems to be no Coors beer. We do have very good beer in Germany, but AFAIK Budweiser is Well, a Coors beer existed when I was drinking it back in the day. And Budweiser, in the USA, was another beer of equal quality. Generic beer, maybe you could call it, for virgin teenagers and lightweights and people who don't know any better. Like us Ammerukins. a real Pils, perhaps not the exported versions, but Czechia is the mother of good beer. I only will drink beer from Germany, Austria and Czechia anything else isn't beer, an exception perhaps is Belgian beer, assumed you prefer exotic beer flavour. Hopefully nobody does call e.g. Well, I knew you'd get religious about something if we pressed you hard enough. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnl1ukku.2fo.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: oh no something is definitely wrong adieu debian.
On 8/29/13, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2013-08-29, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: a real Pils, perhaps not the exported versions, but Czechia is the mother of good beer. I only will drink beer from Germany, Austria and Well, I knew you'd get religious about something if we pressed you hard enough. :) Glad he's not religiously software-goals-must-be-utilitarian-only... Sorry, sorry .. couldn't resist. So many solid gold moments. I resisted some, truly truly.. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnstlwhz6oh4vi_fm2cugr8ramsxmp-4crsti6ts01br...@mail.gmail.com
Re: oh no something is definitely wrong adieu debian.
On 8/29/2013 8:22 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 12:09 +, Curt wrote: On 2013-08-29, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On another note, would you go to your local beerfest and ramble on about the dangers of alcohol? or go round to peoples' houses and ramble on about some dead guy ... oops hang on. He's at a Coorsfest saying sometimes he prefers Budweiser. I can't find a translation for Coorsfest and there seems to be no Coors beer. We do have very good beer in Germany, but AFAIK Budweiser is a real Pils, perhaps not the exported versions, but Czechia is the mother of good beer. I only will drink beer from Germany, Austria and Czechia anything else isn't beer, an exception perhaps is Belgian beer, assumed you prefer exotic beer flavour. Hopefully nobody does call e.g. Guinness a beer :D. I understand why you can't find a translation for Coorsfest. But there definitely IS a Coors beer - www.coors.com (I was out with the guys last night drinking down Coors Light - I'm on a diet :) ). Bud is OK, but there are much better brews over here, especially from the microbreweries. I've been to Germany 3 times, the first one for Oktoberfest in the early 90's. I love German beer (especially Altbier - I've found nothing like it over here). But if I lived there I would soon weigh over 500 lbs! :) Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/521f60a6.7070...@attglobal.net
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On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 13:54 +, Curt wrote: Well, I knew you'd get religious about something if we pressed you hard enough. You got me. Are you a questioning expert from the NSA? Beer in Germany is something very holy. We've got the Rheinheitsgebot, the translation German purity law is not that religious as the German name, since ...gebot is religious ...commandment like the Ten Commandments. Beer is a major part of German culture. For many years German beer was brewed in adherence to the Reinheitsgebot order or law which only permitted water, hops and malt as beer ingredients. The order also required that beers not exclusively using barley-malts such as wheat beer must be top-fermented.[1] Since 1993, the production of beer has been governed by the Provisional German Beer Law which allows a greater range of ingredients (only in top-fermenting beers) and additives, that have to be completely, or at least as much as possible, removed from the final product.[2] According to a 2004 report by the World Health Organization, Germany ranked fourth in terms of per-capita beer consumption, behind the Czech Republic, Ireland, and Swaziland.[3] A 2010 report showed that Germany ranked second in terms of per-capita beer consumption, behind the Czech Republic and ahead of Austria (third) and Ireland (fourth).[4] - Wiki Hahaha, what they drink in Ireland isn't beer and Germans still only drink beer brewed under the Reinheitsgebot. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1377795144.3536.64.camel@archlinux
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On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:52:24 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 13:54 +, Curt wrote: Well, I knew you'd get religious about something if we pressed you hard enough. You got me. Are you a questioning expert from the NSA? Beer in Germany is something very holy. We've got the Rheinheitsgebot, the translation German purity law is not that religious as the German name, since ...gebot is religious ...commandment like the Ten Commandments. Beer is a major part of German culture. For many years German beer was brewed in adherence to the Reinheitsgebot order or law which only permitted water, hops and malt as beer ingredients. I didn't know this bit: The order also required that beers not exclusively using barley-malts such as wheat beer must be top-fermented.[1] Since 1993, the production of beer has been governed by the Provisional German Beer Law which allows a greater range of ingredients (only in top-fermenting beers) and additives, that have to be completely, or at least as much as possible, removed from the final product.[2] According to a 2004 report by the World Health Organization, Germany ranked fourth in terms of per-capita beer consumption, behind the Czech Republic, Ireland, and Swaziland.[3] A 2010 report showed that Germany ranked second in terms of per-capita beer consumption, behind the Czech Republic and ahead of Austria (third) and Ireland (fourth).[4] - Wiki Hahaha, what they drink in Ireland isn't beer and Germans still only drink beer brewed under the Reinheitsgebot. Terminology. In Britain, 'beer' is a generic term, covering lager, bitter, stout and a few more variations. In most other parts of the world, lager is pretty much the only beer variant commercially available, and is usually called just 'beer'. I think everything except lager is top fermented at room-ish temperature, and uses various hops and yeasts. Lager usually uses only the Hallertau hop and Saccharomyces Carlsbergensis yeast (guess who discovered that), and is bottom fermented at a much lower temperature. Some of the English also like beer, and while German lagers are well respected, so are Belgian and Danish ones, and some of us prefer unpasteurised bitters. Some even prefer fermented apple juice... -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130829185810.2784b...@jretrading.com
Re: oh no something is definitely wrong adieu debian.
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 18:58 +0100, Joe wrote: Some of the English also like beer, and while German lagers are well respected, so are Belgian and Danish ones, and some of us prefer unpasteurised bitters. Some even prefer fermented apple juice... Yes, some Danish beer and even some English/Irish beers are passable. Belgian is known for good, but exotic beer flavours. I can't say much pro or con Belgian beer, I don't know their beer good enough. There's a lot of drinkable Lager on our planet, I would drink a Fosters when thirsty and nothing else should be available. The English and Irish folks perhaps should learn to use refrigerators, I guess no beer from any country does taste good when it's not could. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1377799784.3536.86.camel@archlinux
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On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 20:09 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 18:58 +0100, Joe wrote: Some of the English also like beer, and while German lagers are well respected, so are Belgian and Danish ones, and some of us prefer unpasteurised bitters. Some even prefer fermented apple juice... Yes, some Danish beer and even some English/Irish beers are passable. Belgian is known for good, but exotic beer flavours. I can't say much pro or con Belgian beer, I don't know their beer good enough. There's a lot of drinkable Lager on our planet, I would drink a Fosters when thirsty and nothing else should be available. The English and Irish folks perhaps should learn to use refrigerators, I guess no beer from any country does taste good when it's not could. Isn't it T :D?! FWIW, even some alcohol-free beer tastes passable, it just tends to be to sweat. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1377800045.3536.88.camel@archlinux
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On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 20:14 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 20:09 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 18:58 +0100, Joe wrote: Some of the English also like beer, and while German lagers are well respected, so are Belgian and Danish ones, and some of us prefer unpasteurised bitters. Some even prefer fermented apple juice... Yes, some Danish beer and even some English/Irish beers are passable. Belgian is known for good, but exotic beer flavours. I can't say much pro or con Belgian beer, I don't know their beer good enough. There's a lot of drinkable Lager on our planet, I would drink a Fosters when thirsty and nothing else should be available. The English and Irish folks perhaps should learn to use refrigerators, I guess no beer from any country does taste good when it's not could. Isn't it T :D?! OT FWIW, even some alcohol-free beer tastes passable, it just tends to be to sweat. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1377800075.3536.90.camel@archlinux
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On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:09:48AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Wow, thank you for the link. Than Ubuntu in the future will cause much more issues, when you talk to upstream, than they already do by their Ubuntu and Debian disgusting policy to split packages nowadays. It's not disgusting! Reminds me to the running gag with the very often broken libjackd link in the past years. If you find a bug and don't report it, then it is not fair to moan and groan about it. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130828121145.GC8086@tal
Re: oh no something is definitely wrong adieu debian.
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 00:11 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:09:48AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Wow, thank you for the link. Than Ubuntu in the future will cause much more issues, when you talk to upstream, than they already do by their Ubuntu and Debian disgusting policy to split packages nowadays. It's not disgusting! Reminds me to the running gag with the very often broken libjackd link in the past years. If you find a bug and don't report it, then it is not fair to moan and groan about it. Join the jackd devel mailing list archive. It's not that I had issues with a broken Debian package, since I build my own packages, it's about breaking something that does work when build from upstream, but not when maintainers split it to packages and confuse how to link libs. In the last years I guess Debian packages for jackd are ok, it's an example why split packages is disgusting. And I already pointed out, that it also has an advantage to split packages. My intend was to explain that Debian is a good distro, but no distro is the best distro, since it depends to the usage. However, I HAVE NOTHING MORE TO SAY. When you think that there is a best distro and all other distros are crap and if you think everything Debian does is even better than what upstream does, than you're free to believe this, it just not true. Btw. it's hard to file a bug to upstream when Debian is years behind stable releases from upstream, you only can ask the package maintainers to correct something, but AGAIN, 'm talking about something completely different. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1377693074.705.33.camel@archlinux
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On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:31:14 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: (snip) However, I HAVE NOTHING MORE TO SAY. (snip again) Thank you, thank you, thank you... -- cmg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130828085907.3b2ac5df.cgrigs...@att.net
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On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 08:59 -0400, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:31:14 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: (snip) However, I HAVE NOTHING MORE TO SAY. (snip again) Thank you, thank you, thank you... Did you contribute to help the OP to stay with Debian? Did you contribute for other topics much? No you didn't! I did help a little bit more than you did. Your comment is inappropriate. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1377698161.705.76.camel@archlinux
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On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:31:14 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Join the jackd devel mailing list archive. It's not that I had issues with a broken Debian package, since I build my own packages, it's about breaking something that does work when build from upstream, but not when maintainers split it to packages and confuse how to link libs. If you want to replace a Debian repo package with a package from upstream sources, you can find out what packages are derived from the uptream tarball with 'aptitude search ?source-package(source_package_name)' and pin them to -1. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/521e1e21.1080...@gmail.com
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On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 06:18:58PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 11:46 -0400, Tom H wrote: I use Ubuntu :) then you likely will run into the same issue like me and better pretend that you don not use the best distro for your needs, since Debian is the best distro for everybody. You've either changed your tune or are being sarcastic? Sarcasm doesn't travel well over mailing lists. In case you weren't aware, nobody said that Debian was the best Distro. Although, the number of derivatives certainly indicate some sort of quality metric. On another note, would you go to your local beerfest and ramble on about the dangers of alcohol? or go round to peoples' houses and ramble on about some dead guy ... oops hang on. What suits the goose doesn't necessarily suit the gander, and I presume the goose understands this and isn't interested in being preached to. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130829055514.GC22690@tal
