Re: open source time/expense tracking package?
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:46 AM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.netwrote: Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] wrote: You get full /source/ code access so you can make the system behave just the I guess I should have said it's not FOSS. Give it a try, we've used it for years for internal time tracking (along with a desktop start/stop widget) and tasks.. works perfectly. I really don't care about a desktop start/stop widget. Does it do standard timesheet type stuff, you know: - enter hours against projects - sign and submit - approval - export to billing system Couldn't figure that out from the online materials (horrible sales materials for a software product you pay for), and the hosted demo seems to only do very trivial time tracking and reporting. Actually, come to think of it, we are looking to move away from ActiveCollab.. Mostly because it really sucks balls in many other aspects. Can I withdraw my recommendation? lol. -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. Infnord practice, there is. Yogi Berra
Re: open source time/expense tracking package?
On 13 June 2011 12:16, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] cal.leem...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk wrote: I really don't care about a desktop start/stop widget. Does it do standard timesheet type stuff, you know: - enter hours against projects - sign and submit - approval - export to billing system Couldn't figure that out from the online materials (horrible sales materials for a software product you pay for), and the hosted demo seems to only do very trivial time tracking and reporting. That is exactly what I wanted. So I took sillaj code and modified/extended it to add approvals and export as spreadsheet functions. Right now this is not being used and if any one wants to try it out I can set up a account on the server for test. Only three / four people please. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. PS: Replying using bottom post/in-line post makes email conversations whole lot easier for meaningful dialogue. Snip out what is not relevant. Adopt this and spread the message. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTikTsb=0ZJEBhjWTFK6JiÍrzm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: open source time/expense tracking package?
Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] wrote: Actually, come to think of it, we are looking to move away from ActiveCollab.. Mostly because it really sucks balls in many other aspects. Can I withdraw my recommendation? lol. :-) -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. Infnord practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df5e624.5000...@meetinghouse.net
Re: open source time/expense tracking package?
Sudev Barar wrote: On 13 June 2011 12:16, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] cal.leem...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk wrote: I really don't care about a desktop start/stop widget. Does it do standard timesheet type stuff, you know: - enter hours against projects - sign and submit - approval - export to billing system Couldn't figure that out from the online materials (horrible sales materials for a software product you pay for), and the hosted demo seems to only do very trivial time tracking and reporting. That is exactly what I wanted. So I took sillaj code and modified/extended it to add approvals and export as spreadsheet functions. Right now this is not being used and if any one wants to try it out I can set up a account on the server for test. Only three / four people please. Cool. Sure! -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. Infnord practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df5e662.60...@meetinghouse.net
Re: open source time/expense tracking package?
You get full *source* code access so you can make the system behave just the Quoted from their website. Sure, you have to pay a license, but you get the full source code to do whatever you want with after you purchase the license. Give it a try, we've used it for years for internal time tracking (along with a desktop start/stop widget) and tasks.. works perfectly. Cal On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.netwrote: Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] wrote: Active Collab but not open source -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. Infnord practice, there is. Yogi Berra
Re: open source time/expense tracking package?
How about redmine (www.redmine.org)? That is a real nice project management system. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/it398g$kss$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: open source time/expense tracking package?
Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: How about redmine (www.redmine.org)? That is a real nice project management system. time sheets - fill in, sign and submit, approve, transfer to accounting/billing system, maintain audit log expense reports - fill in, sign and submit, approve, transfer to accounting/billing system, generate list of checks to write, maintain audit log both are very simple processes, common to pretty much any environment that provides professional services on a time materials basis -- lots of people do it on paper, there are a good number of commercial packages, but nothing that I can find that's FOSS (even when surrounded by huge amounts of project management stuff that I have no need for) redmine (and most other project management systems I've looked at) provide for tracking time against tasks, but none of the formal stuff needed for accounting and billing (particularly for government contracts) -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. Infnord practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df52e56.50...@meetinghouse.net
Re: open source time/expense tracking package?
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:10:03 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: I've been looking high and low for a simple time expense tracking package that I can run on my (Debian) server, to support a small project team. Can't seem to find anything but commercial web services (e.g., clicktime). So... Figured I'd ask and see if anyone here has found such a beast - packaged for Debian, obviously. Wikipedia has a nice comparison chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_time_tracking_software Maybe you can find something suitable for your needs in there. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.06.11.10.24...@gmail.com
Re: open source time/expense tracking package?
Why I prefer sillaj is that it mainly concentrates on time tacking. -- Sudev Barar
Re: open source time/expense tracking package?
On 11/06/11 11:10, Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, I've been looking high and low for a simple time expense tracking package that I can run on my (Debian) server, to support a small project team. Can't seem to find anything but commercial web services (e.g., clicktime). So... Figured I'd ask and see if anyone here has found such a beast - packaged for Debian, obviously. Thanks much, Miles Fidelman Here's a comparison of some of the major suites/applications - you're probably after the Open Source license ones:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_project_management_software I suspect learning and configuring Open Project may be a larger project than your project, but what you call small project I might call large. How many users? Can you say more about the project? I use Korganiser, Kplato and GnuCash. You probably won't need Gnucash as Kplato can handle individual project finances. I found Kplato and Korganiser needed a couple of days to learn - which is a week or two less than some of the larger systems. I'm a slow learner. For long term projects (site maintenance etc) I just customise CMS MadeSimple to suit. Some of the people I work with swear by eGroupware. Cheers -- Tuttle? His name's Buttle. There must be some mistake. Mistake? [Chuckles] We don't make mistakes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df37e53.8010...@gmail.com
Re: open source time/expense tracking package?
Thanks for the suggestions. So far sillaj: too simple dotproject: seems like it might be buried in there, but way too complex, undocumented, the demo is down, ... opentimetool: looks like it might do the trick - unfortunately, I can't read German, and both the English documentation and demo are sketchy. Guido - since you indicated that you're using it in production, you us it - can you tell me if it provides for timesheet approval by a supervisor? It really is funny - I've gone through the wikipedia lists, as well as a lot of other lists of 10 best open source project management tools and such --- you'd think that with all the folks who do various kinds of project-oriented work there's be something out there that does basic corporate-style time-sheet processing, you know: - enter your time data by project - submit at the end of the week - supervisor approval - export in a form that can be ingested by quickbooks or some other accounting/billing package - keep an audit trail (or at least a basic log) Fairly simple-minded vis-a-vis project management software, but seems to be hard (impossible?) to find - except in commercial products or services. (Plus a few pretend open-source things out there - i.e., really crippled community versions of commercial products.) Pieces of this also exist as Drupal and Wordpress plug-ins - but no cigar. Sigh... might have to write one. Seems like a natural for some form of forms/workflow engine that provides spreadsheet functionality - any suggestions there? Miles -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. Infnord practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df390bd.60...@meetinghouse.net
Re: open source time/expense tracking package?
On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 11:58 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Thanks for the suggestions. So far sillaj: too simple dotproject: seems like it might be buried in there, but way too complex, undocumented, the demo is down, ... opentimetool: looks like it might do the trick - unfortunately, I can't read German, and both the English documentation and demo are sketchy. Guido - since you indicated that you're using it in production, you us it - can you tell me if it provides for timesheet approval by a supervisor? It really is funny - I've gone through the wikipedia lists, as well as a lot of other lists of 10 best open source project management tools and such --- you'd think that with all the folks who do various kinds of project-oriented work there's be something out there that does basic corporate-style time-sheet processing, you know: - enter your time data by project - submit at the end of the week - supervisor approval - export in a form that can be ingested by quickbooks or some other accounting/billing package - keep an audit trail (or at least a basic log) Fairly simple-minded vis-a-vis project management software, but seems to be hard (impossible?) to find - except in commercial products or services. (Plus a few pretend open-source things out there - i.e., really crippled community versions of commercial products.) Pieces of this also exist as Drupal and Wordpress plug-ins - but no cigar. Sigh... might have to write one. Seems like a natural for some form of forms/workflow engine that provides spreadsheet functionality - any suggestions there? snip From my brief foray into it, I think you are right. The web2project demo is up and looks just like dotProject only much faster - to the point we may consider converting. It will give you a feel for what either of those projects can do. It is really more project management than timesheet management. Good luck and let us know the final result - John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307809020.3088.2.ca...@denise.theartistscloset.com
Re: open source time/expense tracking package?
Active Collab is what we used to use, it's pretty nice. On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.netwrote: Hi Folks, I've been looking high and low for a simple time expense tracking package that I can run on my (Debian) server, to support a small project team. Can't seem to find anything but commercial web services (e.g., clicktime). So... Figured I'd ask and see if anyone here has found such a beast - packaged for Debian, obviously. Thanks much, Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. Infnord practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df2c06b.6020...@meetinghouse.net
Re: open source time/expense tracking package?
Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] wrote: Active Collab but not open source -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. Infnord practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df4364e.2050...@meetinghouse.net
Re: open source time/expense tracking package?
On 11 June 2011 06:40, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: I've been looking high and low for a simple time expense tracking package that I can run on my (Debian) server, to support a small project team. Can't seem to find anything but commercial web services (e.g., clicktime). So... Figured I'd ask and see if anyone here has found such a beast - packaged for Debian, obviously. silaj - web based on LAMP I have done some modifications to the basic package to incorporate time sheet approval by supervisor but silaj team did not respond to request for incorporating this upstream. I can send the code if needed. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. PS: Replying using bottom post/in-line post makes email conversations whole lot easier for meaningful dialogue. Snip out what is not relevant. Adopt this and spread the message. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTimYadntl2mbnct0dkezxwk9...@mail.gmail.com
Re: open source time/expense tracking package?
Sudev Barar wrote: On 11 June 2011 06:40, Miles Fidelmanmfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: I've been looking high and low for a simple time expense tracking package that I can run on my (Debian) server, to support a small project team. Can't seem to find anything but commercial web services (e.g., clicktime). So... Figured I'd ask and see if anyone here has found such a beast - packaged for Debian, obviously. silaj - web based on LAMP Thanks, but are you sure that's the proper spelling? I can't seem to find it either in the Debian repository or via google. Miles -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. Infnord practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df2c86f.8010...@meetinghouse.net
Re: open source time/expense tracking package?
On 11 June 2011 07:14, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Sudev Barar wrote: On 11 June 2011 06:40, Miles Fidelmanmfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: I've been looking high and low for a simple time expense tracking package that I can run on my (Debian) server, to support a small project team. Can't seem to find anything but commercial web services (e.g., clicktime). So... Figured I'd ask and see if anyone here has found such a beast - packaged for Debian, obviously. silaj - web based on LAMP Sorry for typo it is sillaj Look at http://sillaj.sourceforge.net/ Thanks, but are you sure that's the proper spelling? I can't seem to find it either in the Debian repository or via google. Being a LAMP stack package it may not be in repos. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. PS: Replying using bottom post/in-line post makes email conversations whole lot easier for meaningful dialogue. Snip out what is not relevant. Adopt this and spread the message. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktin5eazz8afygebk72x5ue241ct...@mail.gmail.com
Re: open source time/expense tracking package?
- Original Message - From: Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net To: debian-user debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 9:10:03 PM Subject: open source time/expense tracking package? Hi Folks, I've been looking high and low for a simple time expense tracking package that I can run on my (Debian) server, to support a small project team. Can't seem to find anything but commercial web services (e.g., clicktime). snip I haven't look at them closely. There is some capability for this in dotProject (www.dotproject.net). Last I looked (several years ago), there are a number of them on Sourceforge but most are oriented toward software development. Hope this helps - John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5e7801bb-9a00-4429-8cc5-015e4b0f8b9a@jaseee
