Re: Openoffice writer.................................fill

[Joel Roth]

Thanks for those replies. 

I will try to probe the logic of the ruler
and tab system, hopefully 
finding a practical way to repeat that fill
pattern in some 90 lines.

Regards,



On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 05:08:39PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> On 09/19/2011 05:16 PM, Joel Roth wrote:
> >Hi Debianologists,
> >
> >Many word processors can fill to the right margin
> >with a repeated character (often dot or underscore).
> >
> >I think the technical term is 'leadering'.
> >
> >Does anyone know how to do it in OOW?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> 
> click on the ruler where you want your tab
> right-click on that to set it to a right-tab
> double-click on that to open the Paragraph styles dialog box.
> set your leader as you prefer
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Re: Openoffice writer.................................fill

[Kent West]

On 09/19/2011 05:16 PM, Joel Roth wrote:

Hi Debianologists,

Many word processors can fill to the right margin
with a repeated character (often dot or underscore).

I think the technical term is 'leadering'.

Does anyone know how to do it in OOW?

Thanks

   


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right-click on that to set it to a right-tab
double-click on that to open the Paragraph styles dialog box.
set your leader as you prefer

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Re: Openoffice writer.................................fill

[John Jason Jordan]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:16:17 -1000
Joel Roth  dijo:

>Hi Debianologists,
>
>Many word processors can fill to the right margin
>with a repeated character (often dot or underscore).
>
>I think the technical term is 'leadering'.
>
>Does anyone know how to do it in OOW?

Create a tab at the rightmost edge of the paper. As part of the
properties of the tab you can specify a fill character. 

I should also suggest that you find the OOo mailing list (which is in
the process of changing due to being acquired by Apache). 


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Re: Openoffice writer.................................fill

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 12:16 -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> Hi Debianologists,
> 
> Many word processors can fill to the right margin
> with a repeated character (often dot or underscore).
> 
> I think the technical term is 'leadering'.
> 
> Does anyone know how to do it in OOW?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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> 
> 
You might find it in the parapghraph settings on the Tabs  tab.  Not
sure it the fill character is what you are seeking - John


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Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[John W Foster]

I want to thank all of you who replied to my question. As usual I got
many different viewpoints and as such have decided to install
LibreOffice & give it a go. As for those concerned about my implied
failure to do my own discovery...well that is exactly why I've been a
participating member of the Debian 'community' for many years. It's not
that I did not research the area, just that I wanted outside input from
some who are already on the road to changing over. I really appreciate
the input. I have also found over the years, that in many cases, points
of concern are brought out that I may have NOT thought of. Such was the
case here.
Thanks!
Frosty


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Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, John W Foster wrote:
> 1. Why is Debian switching to LibreOffice, per the posting I saw a few
> days ago?

Because that PR was unfortunately worded.  We are not _switching to_
LibreOffice, we're switching package names.  We've been shipping what is now
named LibreOffice all along:  LibreOffice is derived from go-ooo, which was
the fork of OpenOffice.org that we were shipping.

> 2. Is OpenOffice still going to be supported?

Someone might see fit to package apache-ooo.org, but right now there is only
LibreOffice (formely go-ooo) in Debian.

Support for the packages that have been shipped in Squeeze has not been
discontinued at all.

> 3. What makes LibreOffice better than OpenOffice?

See above.  Right now, LibreOffice 3.3/3.4 are newer versions of what Debian
has been shipping.

But if you want to compare LibreOffice with Apache OpenOffice.org, it is
best to ask that again in about one year.  It is still too soon to ask that
kind of question.

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Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:26:39 -0500, John W Foster wrote:

> 1. Why is Debian switching to LibreOffice, per the posting I saw a few
> days ago?

I suppose because is a community based development and supported upstream.

> 2. Is OpenOffice still going to be supported? 

OpenOffice is dead by now. I mean, Oracle is no more investing resources 
on it, there was an official announcement not so long ago.

> 3. What makes LibreOffice better than OpenOffice?

That is still maintained and community driven (Oracle is a comercial 
company, in the end...).

> These questions are not intended to start a flame war! I have never even
> looked at LibreOffice, as I did not need to. Now I'm concerned that a
> large body of work covering several years will have to be 'ported' to a
> new format & that I will have to learn a lot of new stuff. Any rational
> comments are appreciated. 

The sooner you start testing it, the better.

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Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[Darac Marjal]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:55:22PM +0200, Steven wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 13:26 -0500, John W Foster wrote: 
[cut]
> 
> > 3. What makes LibreOffice better than OpenOffice?
> 
> It is supposed to be faster, has more bugs fixed, and so on. It also
> appears to me much more active in development than OpenOffice.
> 
> > 
> > These questions are not intended to start a flame war! I have never even
> > looked at LibreOffice, as I did not need to. Now I'm concerned that a
> > large body of work covering several years will have to be 'ported' to a
> > new format & that I will have to learn a lot of new stuff.
> 
> I wouldn't worry to much about that, LibreOffice is effectively a fork
> of OpenOffice.org, both go their separate ways from that point on, but
> much will remain the same at first, such as the format in which
> documents are saved. The user interface has changed a bit, but not
> dramatically, I doubt it you'll see the difference at first, some
> dialogs have changed a bit, but most people seem to agree that is for
> the better. In my experience (I run Debian testing with LibreOffice) you
> can see LibreOffice as a major upgrade of OpenOffice itself.
> 

I believe the OpenOffice.org to LibreOffice change is similar to what
happened a few years back with XFree86 to Xorg. Both are roughly similar
products and perform the same function - as far as a user is concerned,
there should be no real difference - but the product being switched to
has a better developer community so changes can be introduced quicker
(newer features, more stability fixes etc).

This is the beauty of open source. :)


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Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[Robert Holtzman]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 01:26:39PM -0500, John W Foster wrote:
> 1. Why is Debian switching to LibreOffice, per the posting I saw a few
> days ago?
> 2. Is OpenOffice still going to be supported?
> 3. What makes LibreOffice better than OpenOffice?
> 
> These questions are not intended to start a flame war! I have never even
> looked at LibreOffice, as I did not need to. Now I'm concerned that a
> large body of work covering several years will have to be 'ported' to a
> new format & that I will have to learn a lot of new stuff.
> Any rational comments are appreciated.

If you have never looked at LibreOffice, what makes you think that your
OOo files won't work as is? If you would bother to look instead of drawing
an uninformed conclusion, you would find that the formats are identical.
That's why it's called "open format".

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Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[Joe]

On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:26:39 -0500
John W Foster  wrote:

> 1. Why is Debian switching to LibreOffice, per the posting I saw a few
> days ago?
> 2. Is OpenOffice still going to be supported?
> 3. What makes LibreOffice better than OpenOffice?
> 
> These questions are not intended to start a flame war! I have never
> even looked at LibreOffice, as I did not need to. Now I'm concerned
> that a large body of work covering several years will have to be
> 'ported' to a new format & that I will have to learn a lot of new
> stuff. Any rational comments are appreciated.
>

From Wiki:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice 

"On 28 September 2010, several members of the OpenOffice.org project
formed a new group called "The Document Foundation". The Document
Foundation created LibreOffice from their former project, over concerns
that Oracle Corporation would either discontinue OpenOffice.org, or
place restrictions on it as an open-source project, as it had
OpenSolaris.

"It was originally hoped that the LibreOffice name would be provisional,
as Oracle was invited to become a member of The Document Foundation.
Oracle rejected offers to donate the OpenOffice.org brand to the
project and demanded that all members of the OpenOffice.org
Community Council involved with The Document Foundation step down from
the OOo community council, citing a conflict of interest.

"The Go-oo project was discontinued in favour of LibreOffice.
Improvements made by the project are being merged into LibreOffice.
Improvements made in other forks are also expected to be incorporated
into LibreOffice. Other improvements being made is the use of
Java is being reduced to reduce any possible security issue and to
improve application stability.

"As a result of the fork of OpenOffice.org into LibreOffice, and the
resulting loss of developers, Oracle announced in April 2011 that it
was terminating the commercial development of OpenOffice.org."

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Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[Steven]

On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 13:26 -0500, John W Foster wrote: 
> 1. Why is Debian switching to LibreOffice, per the posting I saw a few
> days ago?

From what I read and heard, most distributions switched, or are in the
process of switching. It also appears most of the developers are behind
LibreOffice, which has gained quite a number of new developers, cleaning
up the code. You should read up on why LibreOffice has forked from
OpenOffice. A short history can be found on wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice#History
But I'm sure others can give a much more detailed explanation.

> 2. Is OpenOffice still going to be supported?

It is my understanding that OpenOffice will still be supported (security
updates) for Debian stable (Lenny) until it is EOL. No new versions will
be introduced as these are replaced in Debian with LibreOffice

> 3. What makes LibreOffice better than OpenOffice?

It is supposed to be faster, has more bugs fixed, and so on. It also
appears to me much more active in development than OpenOffice.

> 
> These questions are not intended to start a flame war! I have never even
> looked at LibreOffice, as I did not need to. Now I'm concerned that a
> large body of work covering several years will have to be 'ported' to a
> new format & that I will have to learn a lot of new stuff.

I wouldn't worry to much about that, LibreOffice is effectively a fork
of OpenOffice.org, both go their separate ways from that point on, but
much will remain the same at first, such as the format in which
documents are saved. The user interface has changed a bit, but not
dramatically, I doubt it you'll see the difference at first, some
dialogs have changed a bit, but most people seem to agree that is for
the better. In my experience (I run Debian testing with LibreOffice) you
can see LibreOffice as a major upgrade of OpenOffice itself.

You don't need to worry about any existing documents, or learning a new
user interface.

As a user, you won't notice the difference at first (apart from the name
change), it appears as just a new version of your existing office suite,
getting faster, new features and it keeps improving.

> Any rational comments are appreciated.
> Thanks!
> Frosty
> 

Kind regards,
Steven



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Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[Leandro DUTRA]

2011/6/29 John W Foster :
> 1. Why is Debian switching to LibreOffice, per the posting I saw a few
> days ago?

Because the community has switched to LibreOffice.


> 2. Is OpenOffice still going to be supported?

Perhaps by Oracle, the Apache foundation, IBM or whomever may be
interestested, not by Debian, unless some maintainer decides it is worth his
while.


> 3. What makes LibreOffice better than OpenOffice?

Community, which translates into development, support and bug fixing critical
mass.

For now, this holds true, with LibreOffice developing faster, deeper
and better than OpenOffice.org since Oracle, after Sun, declined to fulfill
their promise of involving the community in the development of OpenOffice.org,
and furthermore declined to get involved in the community aroung the Document
foundation and LibreOffice.

In other words, the .org in OpenOffice is a sham, and has been exposed
as such by the Document foundation and LibreOffice.

I would add that copyleft also makes LibreOffice better, but that is
at least slightly more controversial.


> Now I'm concerned that a
> large body of work covering several years will have to be 'ported' to a
> new format & that I will have to learn a lot of new stuff.

No, indeed LibreOffice inherits the same compatibility and data formats as
OpenOffice.org does, and the community which defined the ODF is behind
LibreOffice today, not OpenOffice.org.  Furthermore, the licensing model
behind both projects ensure it is easier for LibreOffice to follow
developments from OpenOffice.org than the reverse.


> Any rational comments are appreciated.

I hope I was rational, and clear, enough.


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Re: Openoffice.

[Camaleón]

El 2011-04-06 a las 12:05 -0300, Ezequiel Larrarte escribió:

(resending to the list)

> I follow these steps:
> * Alt+f2 ... Smb://user@host/share
> * Gnome password manager asks me for the authentication information
> * an icon is then created on the desktop to the network share
> * umount the share
> * try to connect again
> * fine, gnome mounts the share without asking me the password again
> * try to open a text file from the share ... No problem, gedit opens the
> file
> * try to open an openoffice file and the pop up appears asking me the
> password ... So its an open office issue I think

Oh, yes, then what it can be failing is the seahorse integration with 
OpenOffice. There was a similar bug reported for Ubuntu¹ but provided 
it should have been fixed some years ago, this could be a regression 
:-?

[gvfs] [smb] OpenOffice isn't integrated with gnome-keyring
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/229839

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Re: Openoffice.

[Camaleón]

El 2011-04-05 a las 21:55 -0300, Ezequiel Larrarte escribió:

(forwarding to the list)

> On Apr 5, 2011 1:53 PM, "Camaleón" wrote:

(...)

> >> Another strange thing is that everytime I open a document from the my
> >> samba server using smb://user@server/share/, it asks me the password ..
> >> Any ideas?
> >
> > Every time?
> >
> > Maybe is Seahorse, the password manager for GNOME but it should provide
> > options for storing the password (forget, remember for this
> > session...) :-?

> Its not gnome, the problem is the openoffice. It shows me a popup asking for
> the network user and password ... Maybe something related to gvfs, fuse?

Well, GNOME (seahorse) asks me every time I want to access to a samba share 
(smb://), regardless if I'm inside OOo or using nautilus, but this 
behaviour can be configured and even disabled.

Are you sure it's OOo and not DE? If it's OOo, I've never seen that before 
:-?

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Re: Openoffice.

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 12:24:20 -0300, Ezequiel Larrarte wrote:

> Hi everyone, I ve reinstalled my computer with a fresh Debian squeeze
> and now openoffice quickstart doesn't let me reboot my PC. I be been
> reading that it's an openoffice bug, any news about this? 

Do you mean this?

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=605268

> Another strange thing is that everytime I open a document from the my
> samba server using smb://user@server/share/, it asks me the password ..
> Any ideas? 

Every time? 

Maybe is Seahorse, the password manager for GNOME but it should provide 
options for storing the password (forget, remember for this 
session...) :-?

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Anthony Campbell]

On 16 Feb 2011, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 01:54:15PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > I'm using Sid. After OpenOffice broke during an upgrade I purged it and
> > reinstalled, after which it returned to life as LibreOffice. There
> 
> define "broke", please.
> 
> Grüße/Regards,
> 
> René

Not really broken; I just got confused when apt (wajig) wanted to
replace OpenOffice with LibreOffice. That was why I thought the change
should have been better signalled.

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:02:58 -0800, John Jason Jordan wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:30:47 + (UTC) Camaleón dijo:
> 
>>Back on topic, Wikipedia holds up-to-date info about OpenOffice forks
>>and its derivatives:
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org#Derivative_software
> 
> Thanks. That was very helpful.
> 
> The only part I don't understand is where it says that Go-oo added
> features. What it fails to mention is that it also removes features. As
> just one example, in OOo 3.1 and later the Save button is grayed out
> until there have been changes to the document. The Go-oo people removed
> this feature so that it would look more like MS Office. Or so I have
> read. All I can say for sure is that in 3.1 the Save button was never
> grayed out in the version from the Debian repos, but after removing that
> version and installing 3.1 from OOo the button worked as expected.

(...)

Hum... I wouldn't call that "a feature" but "a different behaviour" :-)

Anyway, I'm afraid the full list of changes is not going to be available 
under Wikipedia but on every project changelog or in their respectives 
bug tracking systems.

OTOH, from what I've read, one thing it turned nuts developers who 
participated in OOo development was the long time it took Sun to apply 
the pacthes upstream, so they finally forked to avoid such situation. I 
suppose there are more things that lead to that but I prefer keeping away 
from bureaucratic companies (as can be Oracle or Sun) as much as I can.

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Rene Engelhard]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 01:54:15PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> I'm using Sid. After OpenOffice broke during an upgrade I purged it and
> reinstalled, after which it returned to life as LibreOffice. There

define "broke", please.

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Chris Jones]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 07:12:02PM EST, Brad Alexander wrote:

[..]

> Honestly, I saw the writing on the wall when Elom was named CEO of
> Nokia.

It's ‘Elop’.. easy mnemonics:. rhymes with cop, flop, mop, slop, etc.

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Bret Busby]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Erwan David wrote:



On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 03:08:22PM CET, Frank Lanitz  
said:

Am 15.02.2011 15:02, schrieb teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net:


Tom H said;

It's not a Debian change but a split away from Oracle.

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Why? I was afraid Oracle was gonna screw up a bunch of Sun's open projects, but 
they have been doing good as far as I have been able to tell (the latest ver. 
of Virtual Box is awesome and yummy open source goodness...


I'm afraid you missed a lot of news last weeks/month. MySQL, Solaris,
OpenOffice (which now became to Oracle OpenOffice)..


And now are fears for Qt...




I have not seen the message from Frank Lanitz, included above.

Does all of this, mean that Oracle is now the new SCO?

Bring back Star Office 5.x!
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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[shawn wilson]

On Feb 15, 2011 9:03 PM, "John Jason Jordan"  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:30:47 + (UTC)
> Camaleón  dijo:
>
> >Back on topic, Wikipedia holds up-to-date info about OpenOffice forks
> >and its derivatives:
> >
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org#Derivative_software
>
> Thanks. That was very helpful.
>
> The only part I don't understand is where it says that Go-oo added
> features. What it fails to mention is that it also removes features. As
> just one example, in OOo 3.1 and later the Save button is grayed out
> until there have been changes to the document. The Go-oo people removed
> this feature so that it would look more like MS Office. Or so I have
> read. All I can say for sure is that in 3.1 the Save button was never
> grayed out in the version from the Debian repos, but after removing
> that version and installing 3.1 from OOo the button worked as
> expected.
>
IIRC, on mac oo 3.2.1 the save button is grayed out until a change is made.
Don't run x on any of my linux boxes anymore so I can't really comment
there. However I don't see why this functionality would change between
ports.

Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[John Jason Jordan]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:30:47 + (UTC)
Camaleón  dijo:

>Back on topic, Wikipedia holds up-to-date info about OpenOffice forks
>and its derivatives:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org#Derivative_software

Thanks. That was very helpful.

The only part I don't understand is where it says that Go-oo added
features. What it fails to mention is that it also removes features. As
just one example, in OOo 3.1 and later the Save button is grayed out
until there have been changes to the document. The Go-oo people removed
this feature so that it would look more like MS Office. Or so I have
read. All I can say for sure is that in 3.1 the Save button was never
grayed out in the version from the Debian repos, but after removing
that version and installing 3.1 from OOo the button worked as
expected.

But now I am happily using 3.2.1 from OOo and have no particular
problems, other than the bugs that have been in OOo since 2.0 and have
never been fixed.


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[Petrus Validus]

> I'm afraid you missed a lot of news last weeks/month. MySQL, Solaris,
> OpenOffice (which now became to Oracle OpenOffice)..

I heard a little bit about this briefly, but somehow missed the bit 
about MySQL.  What will happen with that?

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Brad Alexander]

I agree and heartily hope that this is the case. For me, Nokia maintained a
moderate level of annoyance by their wishy-washy level of support of their
devices. They had already pretty much deemed the N900 a dead platform within
a few months of its release.

Now, with them dropping the entire works, I hope they crash and burn in the
loudest and most painful way possible...And take MS with them.

Honestly, I saw the writing on the wall when Elom was named CEO of Nokia.

As for QT, I think that there are enough KDE devs into QT to their armpits
that the community taking it over shouldn't be that much of an issue...

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> On Tuesday 15 February 2011 17:08:18 Brad Alexander wrote:
> > It's not so much Nokia taking it in a proprietary direction, the fears
> are
> > more based on the fact that Nokia, now headed by an ex-MS exec, has come
> > out and said that they are going with Windows phone 7 series 7 phone
> > series... They also strongly hinted that Symbian is dead, and implied
> that
> > both Maemo is EOL'ed and Meego is being scaled back to "research status"
> > after release of a device this year [1] so as not to dilute their
> > affirmation of their MS love. They will be using Bing, Silverlight, the
> > entire suite of MS offerings on phones.[2]
>
> I tend to agree with this analysis, but that means bad stuff in the future
> for
> Nokia, not for Qt.
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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Tuesday 15 February 2011 17:08:18 Brad Alexander wrote:
> It's not so much Nokia taking it in a proprietary direction, the fears are
> more based on the fact that Nokia, now headed by an ex-MS exec, has come
> out and said that they are going with Windows phone 7 series 7 phone
> series... They also strongly hinted that Symbian is dead, and implied that
> both Maemo is EOL'ed and Meego is being scaled back to "research status"
> after release of a device this year [1] so as not to dilute their
> affirmation of their MS love. They will be using Bing, Silverlight, the
> entire suite of MS offerings on phones.[2]

I tend to agree with this analysis, but that means bad stuff in the future for 
Nokia, not for Qt.
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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Brad Alexander]

It's not so much Nokia taking it in a proprietary direction, the fears are
more based on the fact that Nokia, now headed by an ex-MS exec, has come out
and said that they are going with Windows phone 7 series 7 phone series...
They also strongly hinted that Symbian is dead, and implied that both Maemo
is EOL'ed and Meego is being scaled back to "research status" after release
of a device this year [1] so as not to dilute their affirmation of their MS
love. They will be using Bing, Silverlight, the entire suite of MS offerings
on phones.[2]

The implication is a strong one, since the pictures I saw were of the Steven
Elop and Ballmer high fiving, embracing and carrying on. The other thing is
that the word is that MS is giving Nokia a Big Ass Check for this, according
to rumors.[3]

Note that I don't always agree with them, but the Linux Action Show guys did
justice to the subject IMHO. Go check out the video [4].

[1]
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/02/10/first-meego-smartphone-was-cancelled-by-nokia-second-one-to-be-shown-soon/
[2]
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2011/feb11/02-11partnership.mspx
[3]
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2011/02/14/microsoft-actually-pays-nokia-to-use-windows-phone-7/
[4] http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/?p=5232

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> On Tuesday 15 February 2011 08:22:53 Erwan David wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 03:08:22PM CET,
> > Frank Lanitz  said:
> > > I'm afraid you missed a lot of news last weeks/month. MySQL, Solaris,
> > > OpenOffice (which now became to Oracle OpenOffice)..
> >
> > And now are fears for Qt...
>
> Well, that has nothing to do with Oracle.
>
> Given Qt's licensing and the number of KDE developers that are comfortable
> patching it, I imagine a fork would be easy if necessary.  That said, the
> Qt
> open governance project hasn't died, yet.
>
> Really, there are no indications that Nokia would be taking Qt in a more
> proprietary direction.  With their current positioning, it is more likely
> that
> they gradually stop development of Qt rather than try to monetize it, but
> that's just my speculation and I get all my information from the interwebs
> so
> I'm likely wrong.
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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Jochen Schulz]

Adrian Levi:
> On 16 February 2011 02:47, Jochen Schulz  wrote:
> 
>> I would be surprised to find something like this. The fork has purely
>> political reasons and as it is still quite young, it shouldn't have
>> deviated from OOo by much until now.
> 
> LibreOffice includes the patchset that was GO-OO that neither Sun or
> Oracle would comit to the repo, so it was maintained as a separate
> patchset. Debian previously shipped GO-OO not Sun OO or Oracle OO

Thanks for the correction. I had never heard about these patches.

>>> I am interested in what LibreOffice offers that makes it easier to
>>> use, fewer bugs, features or lack thereof.
>> 
>> Don't expect any of this today. I guess that it is currently even less
>> stable/mature.
> 
> Pure Conjecture,

True. It's just what I expect of a fresh fork.

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Adrian Levi]

On 16 February 2011 02:47, Jochen Schulz  wrote:

> I would be surprised to find something like this. The fork has purely
> political reasons and as it is still quite young, it shouldn't have
> deviated from OOo by much until now.

LibreOffice includes the patchset that was GO-OO that neither Sun or
Oracle would comit to the repo, so it was maintained as a separate
patchset. Debian previously shipped GO-OO not Sun OO or Oracle OO

>> I am interested in what LibreOffice offers that makes it easier to
>> use, fewer bugs, features or lack thereof.
>
> Don't expect any of this today. I guess that it is currently even less
> stable/mature.

Pure Conjecture, Debian by shipping LibreOffice is shipping pretty
much the exact same software that it used to ship as OO.o (GO-OO) so
the stability/maturity should not have apreciably changed?

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Adrian Levi]

On 16 February 2011 00:22, Erwan David  wrote:

> And now are fears for Qt...

Qt has nothing to do with Oracle. Qt is Nokia previously Trolltech.
Qt is LGPL and proprietory for commercial use.

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:38:24 -0500, shawn wilson wrote:

> 1. last time i checked, there are some things that libraoffice needs a
> jre to run and it doesn't ship with one (i've seen it complain about it
> - runs fine without it, but...).

That was a "soft" requirement also from OpenOffice (some parts of the 
wizards required Java), not a new feature of LibreOffice.

> 2. i highly doubt nokia is dropping qt since it is at the center of
> their n8 sdk.

Nokia has jumped into a dark-and-fuzzy side, let's see how it behaves 
from now on.

> 3. 95% of virtualbox is open sourced anyway - wouldn't matter much if
> oracle dropped it. might change to librabox or virtuallylibre, but
> that's about it. the closed source stuff is the usb transport and (iirc)
> some of the desktop stuff.

USB stack is available only with the PUEL licence (and so this part of 
the code is not open source at all) so if Oracle starts doing weird 
things with VirtualBox I would jump to another VM. 

> now, i don't know what oracle will do to mysql. however, they could
> really mess up the db world since (iirc) the innodb stuff is their's. if
> they pull that, we've got problems. 

There is PostgreSQL and nosql dbs :-)

> i think there's also some minor db
> stuff that oracle owns the rights to that are in mysql, postgresql, and
> others. 

Uh? Last time I checked PostgreSQL license was very free software and 
user-friendly (similar to the new BSD license).

Back on topic, Wikipedia holds up-to-date info about OpenOffice forks and 
its derivatives:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org#Derivative_software

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[shawn wilson]

1. last time i checked, there are some things that libraoffice needs a jre
to run and it doesn't ship with one (i've seen it complain about it - runs
fine without it, but...).
2. i highly doubt nokia is dropping qt since it is at the center of their n8
sdk.
3. 95% of virtualbox is open sourced anyway - wouldn't matter much if oracle
dropped it. might change to librabox or virtuallylibre, but that's about it.
the closed source stuff is the usb transport and (iirc) some of the desktop
stuff.


now, i don't know what oracle will do to mysql. however, they could really
mess up the db world since (iirc) the innodb stuff is their's. if they pull
that, we've got problems. i think there's also some minor db stuff that
oracle owns the rights to that are in mysql, postgresql, and others.

Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[John Jason Jordan]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:59:53 +0100
"Hans-J. Ullrich"  dijo:

>But of course, that is my point, other people might decide different.
>Also free decisions are freedom, too!

Well said.


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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Dienstag, 15. Februar 2011 schrieb John Jason Jordan:

Hi Jason,

> I am still using OOo 3.2.1 but have been hearing about the LibreOffice
> fork for some time now. A couple weeks ago I even went to their
> website, but I was looking for feature comparisons and I couldn't find
> it anywhere. All I can find is pages and pages of discussion of the
> evils of proprietary software and the goodness of the LibreOffice fork
> in contrast. That's interesting, but I'm just a desktop user and my
> bottom line is whether it works better or not.
> 
> Does anyone know of a place that has a fairly detailed but not too
> technical list of why one would want to use LibreOffice over OOo,
> disregarding the open source issues. I am interested in what
> LibreOffice offers that makes it easier to use, fewer bugs, features or
> lack thereof.
> 
> Also I am interested in whether distros will be modifying it, e.g., the
> GOo mess. For example, I now always install OOo from the .deb files
> downloaded from OOo because distros always cripple something. The last
> incident was Installing 3.2.1 from the repos on a Fedora computer,
> where Fedora decided to disable the AutoCorrect feature.

I suppose, Debian will not disable things if not forced to because of 
technical problems. Besides, I do not think, that at the moment are many 
differences between OOO and LibO, as LibO is just a fork of OOO. However, I 
have heard, that the last release of LibO might be more stable than OOO, and 
OOO in the future focusses more to cloud-computing.

The main point for me to change as fast as possible to LibO can be described 
in one word: freedom! I do not want to be obliqued from a single company, who 
just want to make money. And I anger with Oracle, how they managed with the 
people from OOO and LibO. They forgot (and they even do not care), that people 
have spent a lot of their private times, to improve OOO. So OOO could freely 
grow and got better and better. Now the developers are forced to code, want 
Oracle wants, and not what they themselves want to develop. Becaus of this, 
LibreOffice was founded and most of the developers of OOO are now developing 
LibO -  and again with joy and freedom! IMO the results will be better in the 
future, but that is not the point. The point is, that IMO the quality of 
software (or any other product) will be better, when people are working on it 
with joy and freedom. That is, why I changed to LibO, and why I want to 
contribute it, if I can.

But of course, that is my point, other people might decide different. Also free 
decisions are freedom, too!

Have fun!

Hans-J. Ullrich


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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Jochen Schulz]

John Jason Jordan:
> 
> Does anyone know of a place that has a fairly detailed but not too
> technical list of why one would want to use LibreOffice over OOo,
> disregarding the open source issues.

I would be surprised to find something like this. The fork has purely
political reasons and as it is still quite young, it shouldn't have
deviated from OOo by much until now.

> I am interested in what LibreOffice offers that makes it easier to
> use, fewer bugs, features or lack thereof. 

Don't expect any of this today. I guess that it is currently even less
stable/mature.

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[John Jason Jordan]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:10:00 +
Roger Leigh  dijo:

>On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 02:02:30PM +, teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net
>wrote:
>> Why? I was afraid Oracle was gonna screw up a bunch of Sun's open
>> projects, but they have been doing good as far as I have been able
>> to tell (the latest ver. of Virtual Box is awesome and yummy open
>> source goodness...
>
>Did you miss all the news about the Java TCK and Apache, Hudson, etc.?
>OpenOffice development was stifled under both Sun and now Oracle.
>Contributing to it was insanely difficult, and LibreOffice is the
>solution to that.

I am still using OOo 3.2.1 but have been hearing about the LibreOffice
fork for some time now. A couple weeks ago I even went to their
website, but I was looking for feature comparisons and I couldn't find
it anywhere. All I can find is pages and pages of discussion of the
evils of proprietary software and the goodness of the LibreOffice fork
in contrast. That's interesting, but I'm just a desktop user and my
bottom line is whether it works better or not.

Does anyone know of a place that has a fairly detailed but not too
technical list of why one would want to use LibreOffice over OOo,
disregarding the open source issues. I am interested in what
LibreOffice offers that makes it easier to use, fewer bugs, features or
lack thereof. 

Also I am interested in whether distros will be modifying it, e.g., the
GOo mess. For example, I now always install OOo from the .deb files
downloaded from OOo because distros always cripple something. The last
incident was Installing 3.2.1 from the repos on a Fedora computer,
where Fedora decided to disable the AutoCorrect feature. 


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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:54:15 +, Anthony Campbell wrote:

> I'm using Sid. After OpenOffice broke during an upgrade I purged it and
> reinstalled, after which it returned to life as LibreOffice. There
> wasn't any warning about this transition; it just happened.

Good move IMO, being Sid.
 
> I googled some information about LibreOffice, which informs me that it
> is a fork of OpenOffice. 

Oracle was invited by The Document Project (LibreOffice hosters) to 
enjoy them but they rejected to parcipate.

> Its appearance in Sid seems to be fairly recent
> because not all mirrors have it. Is there any information about when and
> why Debian adopted this change? (Perhaps there was and I missed it.)

Changelog? :-)

http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org_3.3.0-5/changelog

Or package description:

***
Package: openoffice.org (1:3.3.0-5)
office productivity suite

This is a transitional package, replacing the OpenOffice.org packaging with 
the LibreOffice packaging.

It can be safely removed after an upgrade. 
***

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Tuesday 15 February 2011 08:22:53 Erwan David wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 03:08:22PM CET,
> Frank Lanitz  said:
> > I'm afraid you missed a lot of news last weeks/month. MySQL, Solaris,
> > OpenOffice (which now became to Oracle OpenOffice)..
> 
> And now are fears for Qt...

Well, that has nothing to do with Oracle.

Given Qt's licensing and the number of KDE developers that are comfortable 
patching it, I imagine a fork would be easy if necessary.  That said, the Qt 
open governance project hasn't died, yet.

Really, there are no indications that Nokia would be taking Qt in a more 
proprietary direction.  With their current positioning, it is more likely that 
they gradually stop development of Qt rather than try to monetize it, but 
that's just my speculation and I get all my information from the interwebs so 
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[Gregory Seidman]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 03:22:53PM +0100, Erwan David wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 03:08:22PM CET, Frank Lanitz  
> said:
> > Am 15.02.2011 15:02, schrieb teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net:
> > > 
> > > Tom H said;
> > > 
> > > It's not a Debian change but a split away from Oracle.
> > > 
> > > ---
> > > 
> > > Why? I was afraid Oracle was gonna screw up a bunch of Sun's open 
> > > projects, but they have been doing good as far as I have been able to 
> > > tell (the latest ver. of Virtual Box is awesome and yummy open source 
> > > goodness...
> > 
> > I'm afraid you missed a lot of news last weeks/month. MySQL, Solaris,
> > OpenOffice (which now became to Oracle OpenOffice)..
> 
> And now are fears for Qt...

There's no reason to fear for Qt. It's LGPL
,
and there's a poison pill
 where the
latest version of Qt is released under the BSD license if Nokia doesn't
keep developing it.

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Erwan David]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 03:08:22PM CET, Frank Lanitz  
said:
> Am 15.02.2011 15:02, schrieb teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net:
> > 
> > Tom H said;
> > 
> > It's not a Debian change but a split away from Oracle.
> > 
> > ---
> > 
> > Why? I was afraid Oracle was gonna screw up a bunch of Sun's open projects, 
> > but they have been doing good as far as I have been able to tell (the 
> > latest ver. of Virtual Box is awesome and yummy open source goodness...
> 
> I'm afraid you missed a lot of news last weeks/month. MySQL, Solaris,
> OpenOffice (which now became to Oracle OpenOffice)..

And now are fears for Qt...


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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Tom H]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:02 AM,   wrote:
> Tom H said;
>>
>> It's not a Debian change but a split away from Oracle.
>
> Why? I was afraid Oracle was gonna screw up a bunch of Sun's open
> projects, but they have been doing good as far as I have been able to
> tell (the latest ver. of Virtual Box is awesome and yummy open source
> goodness...

There were many articles at the time but I didn't read them so I don't
know the details.


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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Roger Leigh]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 02:02:30PM +, teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net wrote:
> Why? I was afraid Oracle was gonna screw up a bunch of Sun's open projects, 
> but they have been doing good as far as I have been able to tell (the latest 
> ver. of Virtual Box is awesome and yummy open source goodness...

Did you miss all the news about the Java TCK and Apache, Hudson, etc.?
OpenOffice development was stifled under both Sun and now Oracle.
Contributing to it was insanely difficult, and LibreOffice is the
solution to that.

Regards,
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[Frank Lanitz]

Am 15.02.2011 15:02, schrieb teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net:
> 
> Tom H said;
> 
> It's not a Debian change but a split away from Oracle.
> 
> ---
> 
> Why? I was afraid Oracle was gonna screw up a bunch of Sun's open projects, 
> but they have been doing good as far as I have been able to tell (the latest 
> ver. of Virtual Box is awesome and yummy open source goodness...

I'm afraid you missed a lot of news last weeks/month. MySQL, Solaris,
OpenOffice (which now became to Oracle OpenOffice)..


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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Roger Leigh]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 01:54:15PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> I'm using Sid. After OpenOffice broke during an upgrade I purged it and
> reinstalled, after which it returned to life as LibreOffice. There
> wasn't any warning about this transition; it just happened. 
> 
> I googled some information about LibreOffice, which informs me that it
> is a fork of OpenOffice. Its appearance in Sid seems to be fairly recent
> because not all mirrors have it. Is there any information about when and
> why Debian adopted this change? (Perhaps there was and I missed it.)

The change happened about 4-5 days ago.  Debian adopted LibreOffice for
the same reasons all the other distributions adopted it; Debian was
already using the Go-OO patchset on top of the OpenOffice releases,
which is what the initial LibreOffice release is basically, though it
now has much more than that.

This was announced a while back on -devel as a post-squeeze thing,
IIRC.


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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[teddieeb]

Tom H said;

It's not a Debian change but a split away from Oracle.

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Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?

[Tom H]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Anthony Campbell  wrote:
>
> I'm using Sid. After OpenOffice broke during an upgrade I purged it and
> reinstalled, after which it returned to life as LibreOffice. There
> wasn't any warning about this transition; it just happened.
>
> I googled some information about LibreOffice, which informs me that it
> is a fork of OpenOffice. Its appearance in Sid seems to be fairly recent
> because not all mirrors have it. Is there any information about when and
> why Debian adopted this change? (Perhaps there was and I missed it.)

It's not a Debian change but a split away from Oracle.


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Re: OpenOffice

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sb, 06 nov 10, 01:07:35, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <4cd53045.4000...@gmail.com>, farid wrote:
> >*How do I get an upgrade of Openoffice. My new Debian 5 still has office
> >2.4. Please help.
> 
> New upstream versions are not included in normal updates to a released 
> version 
> of Debian.  You could use one of the unreleased versions of Debian--
> testing/Squeeze or unstable/Sid.  You might also be interested in the 
> backports service which will become official (if it is not already) when 
> Squeeze is released.

Why do you think backports is not official now?
http://lists.debian.org/20100905210837.gh12...@melusine.alphascorpii.net

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Re: OpenOffice

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <4cd53045.4000...@gmail.com>, farid wrote:
>*How do I get an upgrade of Openoffice. My new Debian 5 still has office
>2.4. Please help.

New upstream versions are not included in normal updates to a released version 
of Debian.  You could use one of the unreleased versions of Debian--
testing/Squeeze or unstable/Sid.  You might also be interested in the 
backports service which will become official (if it is not already) when 
Squeeze is released.
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Re: OpenOffice

[Umarzuki Mochlis]

enable lenny-backports & install the latest OO.o from there

2010/11/6 farid 

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> 2.4. Please help.
> farid
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Re: [Partially solved] Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[Celejar]

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:16:03 -0500
Ron Johnson  wrote:

> On 11/03/2010 06:33 PM, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> > On 2010-11-03, Ron Johnson  wrote:
> >> On 11/02/2010 08:04 PM, Celejar wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:46:01 + (UTC)
> >>> Camaleón   wrote:
>  Not sure if already mentioned in this thread, but IIRC that option is
>  only available/visible for users running OOo under KDE/GNOME/XFCE.
> >>>
> >>> I'm running under Xfce.
> >>>
>  You can try with another variant: using env. variables (i.e.,
>  OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome) that I guess it should be defined under "/usr/
>  bin/soffice script".
> 
>  http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Environment_Variables
> >>>
> >>> You're really something else, Camaleón!  Doing 'export
> >>> OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome' and then running OO causes that check box to
> >>> finally appear, and leaving it unchecked gives me my good old GTK
> >>> dialog box!
> >>
> >> Must you do that export *every time*, or just once?
> >
> > You can put the export in your ~/.profile (or ~/.xprofile if you are
> > using GDM). Then the 'once' becomes 'every time' automatically :-)
> >
> > Another possibility is to add the environment variable to
> > /etc/openoffice/soffice.sh.
> >
> 
> Even though I have the previously-referred-to check box, 
> OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP is not in any one of these files on my system:
>   ~/.profile
> /etc/profile
> ~/.profile
> /etc/openoffice/soffice.sh

Oh, forget my previous message - you aren't seeing my problem.

I assume that what's going on here is that on normal systems, oo
correctly detects the DE and / or the presence of the GTK libs, and
behaves accordingly.  The 'FORCE' variables, judging by their names,
seem to be to meant for something like my situation, where the
automagic detection isn't working properly.  I just wish I knew *why*
it's not!

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Re: [Partially solved] Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[Celejar]

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 15:28:11 -0500
Ron Johnson  wrote:

> On 11/02/2010 08:04 PM, Celejar wrote:
> > On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:46:01 + (UTC)
> > Camaleón  wrote:

...

> >> You can try with another variant: using env. variables (i.e.,
> >> OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome) that I guess it should be defined under "/usr/
> >> bin/soffice script".
> >>
> >> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Environment_Variables
> >
> > You're really something else, Camaleón!  Doing 'export
> > OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome' and then running OO causes that check box to
> > finally appear, and leaving it unchecked gives me my good old GTK
> > dialog box!
> 
> Must you do that export *every time*, or just once?

I'm pretty sure that the env variable will need to be in whatever
environment you plan to call oo from.  Once it's there, you can call oo
as often as you like.  Liam's suggestion about putting the export
in .profile is probably the way to go. 

> I ask because I used to run GNOME but now run XFCE.

Please note that Mechtilde claims to be unable to reproduce my problem.
If you can, please add that to the bug report:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=602258

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Re: [Partially solved] Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[Ron Johnson]

On 11/03/2010 06:33 PM, Liam O'Toole wrote:

On 2010-11-03, Ron Johnson  wrote:

On 11/02/2010 08:04 PM, Celejar wrote:

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:46:01 + (UTC)
Camaleón   wrote:

Not sure if already mentioned in this thread, but IIRC that option is
only available/visible for users running OOo under KDE/GNOME/XFCE.


I'm running under Xfce.


You can try with another variant: using env. variables (i.e.,
OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome) that I guess it should be defined under "/usr/
bin/soffice script".

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Environment_Variables


You're really something else, Camaleón!  Doing 'export
OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome' and then running OO causes that check box to
finally appear, and leaving it unchecked gives me my good old GTK
dialog box!


Must you do that export *every time*, or just once?


You can put the export in your ~/.profile (or ~/.xprofile if you are
using GDM). Then the 'once' becomes 'every time' automatically :-)

Another possibility is to add the environment variable to
/etc/openoffice/soffice.sh.



Even though I have the previously-referred-to check box, 
OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP is not in any one of these files on my system:

 ~/.profile
/etc/profile
~/.profile
/etc/openoffice/soffice.sh

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Re: [Partially solved] Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2010-11-03, Ron Johnson  wrote:
> On 11/02/2010 08:04 PM, Celejar wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:46:01 + (UTC)
>> Camaleón  wrote:
>>> Not sure if already mentioned in this thread, but IIRC that option is
>>> only available/visible for users running OOo under KDE/GNOME/XFCE.
>>
>> I'm running under Xfce.
>>
>>> You can try with another variant: using env. variables (i.e.,
>>> OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome) that I guess it should be defined under "/usr/
>>> bin/soffice script".
>>>
>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Environment_Variables
>>
>> You're really something else, Camaleón!  Doing 'export
>> OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome' and then running OO causes that check box to
>> finally appear, and leaving it unchecked gives me my good old GTK
>> dialog box!
>
> Must you do that export *every time*, or just once?

You can put the export in your ~/.profile (or ~/.xprofile if you are
using GDM). Then the 'once' becomes 'every time' automatically :-)

Another possibility is to add the environment variable to
/etc/openoffice/soffice.sh.

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Re: [Partially solved] Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[Ron Johnson]

On 11/02/2010 08:04 PM, Celejar wrote:

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:46:01 + (UTC)
Camaleón  wrote:


On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:18:03 -0400, Celejar wrote:


On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:16:32 -0400
Celejar  wrote:


On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:31:59 + (UTC) Liam O'Toole
  wrote:


...


What I would try next is seeing if something (an accessibility
setting, perhaps?) in my profile is causing the issue. Close OOo,
rename the .openoffice.org directory, and start OOo again.

Any difference?


I tried that - no difference.


What I meant was, I tried that after receiving your message (thanks for
the suggestion), but it did not make a difference.


Not sure if already mentioned in this thread, but IIRC that option is
only available/visible for users running OOo under KDE/GNOME/XFCE.


I'm running under Xfce.


You can try with another variant: using env. variables (i.e.,
OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome) that I guess it should be defined under "/usr/
bin/soffice script".

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Environment_Variables


You're really something else, Camaleón!  Doing 'export
OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome' and then running OO causes that check box to
finally appear, and leaving it unchecked gives me my good old GTK
dialog box!


Must you do that export *every time*, or just once?

I ask because I used to run GNOME but now run XFCE.



I see that on the Wiki page you noted, only Gnome and Kde are
mentioned.  I've filed a bug against openoffice.org-gtk:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=602258



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[Partially solved] Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[Celejar]

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:46:01 + (UTC)
Camaleón  wrote:

> On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:18:03 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:16:32 -0400
> > Celejar  wrote:
> > 
> >> On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:31:59 + (UTC) Liam O'Toole
> >>  wrote:
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> >> > What I would try next is seeing if something (an accessibility
> >> > setting, perhaps?) in my profile is causing the issue. Close OOo,
> >> > rename the .openoffice.org directory, and start OOo again.
> >> > 
> >> > Any difference?
> >> 
> >> I tried that - no difference.
> > 
> > What I meant was, I tried that after receiving your message (thanks for
> > the suggestion), but it did not make a difference.
> 
> Not sure if already mentioned in this thread, but IIRC that option is 
> only available/visible for users running OOo under KDE/GNOME/XFCE.

I'm running under Xfce.
 
> You can try with another variant: using env. variables (i.e., 
> OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome) that I guess it should be defined under "/usr/
> bin/soffice script".
> 
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Environment_Variables

You're really something else, Camaleón!  Doing 'export
OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome' and then running OO causes that check box to
finally appear, and leaving it unchecked gives me my good old GTK
dialog box!

I see that on the Wiki page you noted, only Gnome and Kde are
mentioned.  I've filed a bug against openoffice.org-gtk:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=602258

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Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:18:03 -0400, Celejar wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:16:32 -0400
> Celejar  wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:31:59 + (UTC) Liam O'Toole
>>  wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
>> > What I would try next is seeing if something (an accessibility
>> > setting, perhaps?) in my profile is causing the issue. Close OOo,
>> > rename the .openoffice.org directory, and start OOo again.
>> > 
>> > Any difference?
>> 
>> I tried that - no difference.
> 
> What I meant was, I tried that after receiving your message (thanks for
> the suggestion), but it did not make a difference.

Not sure if already mentioned in this thread, but IIRC that option is 
only available/visible for users running OOo under KDE/GNOME/XFCE.

You can try with another variant: using env. variables (i.e., 
OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome) that I guess it should be defined under "/usr/
bin/soffice script".

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Environment_Variables

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Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[Celejar]

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:16:32 -0400
Celejar  wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:31:59 + (UTC)
> Liam O'Toole  wrote:

...

> > What I would try next is seeing if something (an accessibility setting,
> > perhaps?) in my profile is causing the issue. Close OOo, rename the
> > .openoffice.org directory, and start OOo again.
> > 
> > Any difference?
> 
> I tried that - no difference.

What I meant was, I tried that after receiving your message (thanks for
the suggestion), but it did not make a difference.

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Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[Celejar]

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 09:31:59 + (UTC)
Liam O'Toole  wrote:

> On 2010-11-01, Celejar  wrote:
> > On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:09:02 + (UTC)
> > Liam O'Toole  wrote:
> >
> >> On 2010-11-01, Celejar  wrote:
> >> > On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:46:11 -0700
> >> > Alan Ianson  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > ...
> >> >
> >> >> Tools -> options -> openoffice.org -> general -> "use openoffice.org
> >> >> dialogue boxes"
> >> >> 
> >> >> That's my best guess.. :)
> >> >
> >> > Great!  Now someone just explain to me why that option doesn't appear
> >> > on my installation ...
> >> >
> >> 
> >> You need to install the openoffice.org-gtk package.
> >
> > It is already installed.
> 
> Strange.
> 
> What I would try next is seeing if something (an accessibility setting,
> perhaps?) in my profile is causing the issue. Close OOo, rename the
> .openoffice.org directory, and start OOo again.
> 
> Any difference?

I tried that - no difference.

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Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2010-11-01, Celejar  wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:09:02 + (UTC)
> Liam O'Toole  wrote:
>
>> On 2010-11-01, Celejar  wrote:
>> > On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:46:11 -0700
>> > Alan Ianson  wrote:
>> >
>> > ...
>> >
>> >> Tools -> options -> openoffice.org -> general -> "use openoffice.org
>> >> dialogue boxes"
>> >> 
>> >> That's my best guess.. :)
>> >
>> > Great!  Now someone just explain to me why that option doesn't appear
>> > on my installation ...
>> >
>> 
>> You need to install the openoffice.org-gtk package.
>
> It is already installed.

Strange.

What I would try next is seeing if something (an accessibility setting,
perhaps?) in my profile is causing the issue. Close OOo, rename the
.openoffice.org directory, and start OOo again.

Any difference?

>
> Celejar


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Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[Celejar]

On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 01:28:24 -0500
Ron Johnson  wrote:

> On 11/01/2010 12:55 AM, Celejar wrote:
> > On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:46:11 -0700
> > Alan Ianson  wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> >> Tools ->  options ->  openoffice.org ->  general ->  "use openoffice.org
> >> dialogue boxes"
> >>
> >> That's my best guess.. :)
> >
> > Great!  Now someone just explain to me why that option doesn't appear
> > on my installation ...
> >
> 
> It does on Sid 3.2.1-7.
> 
> http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson/OOo_options_general.png

Well, it doesn't on *my* Sid 3.2.1-7 - I have nothing between the 'Help
formatting' and 'Document status' lines.

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Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[Celejar]

On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:09:02 + (UTC)
Liam O'Toole  wrote:

> On 2010-11-01, Celejar  wrote:
> > On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:46:11 -0700
> > Alan Ianson  wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> >> Tools -> options -> openoffice.org -> general -> "use openoffice.org
> >> dialogue boxes"
> >> 
> >> That's my best guess.. :)
> >
> > Great!  Now someone just explain to me why that option doesn't appear
> > on my installation ...
> >
> 
> You need to install the openoffice.org-gtk package.

It is already installed.

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Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2010-11-01, Celejar  wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:46:11 -0700
> Alan Ianson  wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> Tools -> options -> openoffice.org -> general -> "use openoffice.org
>> dialogue boxes"
>> 
>> That's my best guess.. :)
>
> Great!  Now someone just explain to me why that option doesn't appear
> on my installation ...
>

You need to install the openoffice.org-gtk package.

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Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[Alan Ianson]

On Sun October 31 2010 11:56:46 pm godo wrote:
> > It makes a difference on mine when I choose a new file to edit. If I
> > uncheck that box I get the usual gnomey file chooser, and if I check it
> > I get the openoffice chooser.
>
> I don't know is it because I use KDE, but in both case it's the same
> dialog.

On my lenny kde the choosers are similar but the openoffice.org chooser 
doesn't have the icons on the left hand side.


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Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[godo]

It makes a difference on mine when I choose a new file to edit. If I
uncheck that box I get the usual gnomey file chooser, and if I check it
I get the openoffice chooser.



I don't know is it because I use KDE, but in both case it's the same dialog.

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Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[Alan Ianson]

On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 06:57 +0100, godo wrote:
> > Tools ->  options ->  openoffice.org ->  general ->  "use openoffice.org
> > dialogue boxes"
> >
> > That's my best guess.. :)
> >
> >
> I also do not see anything else but don't see any difference if check 
> box is checked or not.
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It makes a difference on mine when I choose a new file to edit. If I
uncheck that box I get the usual gnomey file chooser, and if I check it
I get the openoffice chooser.


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Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[Ron Johnson]

On 11/01/2010 12:55 AM, Celejar wrote:

On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:46:11 -0700
Alan Ianson  wrote:

...


Tools ->  options ->  openoffice.org ->  general ->  "use openoffice.org
dialogue boxes"

That's my best guess.. :)


Great!  Now someone just explain to me why that option doesn't appear
on my installation ...



It does on Sid 3.2.1-7.

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Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[godo]

Tools ->  options ->  openoffice.org ->  general ->  "use openoffice.org
dialogue boxes"

That's my best guess.. :)


I also do not see anything else but don't see any difference if check 
box is checked or not.


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Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[Celejar]

On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:46:11 -0700
Alan Ianson  wrote:

...

> Tools -> options -> openoffice.org -> general -> "use openoffice.org
> dialogue boxes"
> 
> That's my best guess.. :)

Great!  Now someone just explain to me why that option doesn't appear
on my installation ...

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Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[Alan Ianson]

On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 01:01 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 05:46:44 +0100
> godo  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > > Perhaps I wasn't clear; I'm interested in filename / path completion in
> > > dialog boxes, not word completion within documents.  And I'd also just
> > > like to revert to the system dialog boxes, as per the help screen.
> > >
> > > Celejar
> > Sorry my mistake.
> > It should be under Tools>Customize> Keyboard tab, but I can find it.
> 
> Thanks.  Okay, I see a great many options for controlling the keyboard,
> but I'm not sure where to look for the filename autocompletion.
> 
> Additionally, I noted in my original message that the Help declares
> that there's a way to get OO to use the system file dialog boxes rather
> than it's internal ones.  Do you know how to do that?
> 
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Tools -> options -> openoffice.org -> general -> "use openoffice.org
dialogue boxes"

That's my best guess.. :)


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Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[Celejar]

On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 05:46:44 +0100
godo  wrote:

> 
> > Perhaps I wasn't clear; I'm interested in filename / path completion in
> > dialog boxes, not word completion within documents.  And I'd also just
> > like to revert to the system dialog boxes, as per the help screen.
> >
> > Celejar
> Sorry my mistake.
> It should be under Tools>Customize> Keyboard tab, but I can find it.

Thanks.  Okay, I see a great many options for controlling the keyboard,
but I'm not sure where to look for the filename autocompletion.

Additionally, I noted in my original message that the Help declares
that there's a way to get OO to use the system file dialog boxes rather
than it's internal ones.  Do you know how to do that?

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Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[godo]

On 11/01/2010 05:46 AM, godo wrote:

but I can find it.

but I can't find it.

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Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[godo]

Perhaps I wasn't clear; I'm interested in filename / path completion in
dialog boxes, not word completion within documents.  And I'd also just
like to revert to the system dialog boxes, as per the help screen.

Celejar

Sorry my mistake.
It should be under Tools>Customize> Keyboard tab, but I can find it.

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Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[Celejar]

On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 03:38:26 +0100
godo  wrote:

> On 11/01/2010 03:22 AM, Celejar wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > My OpenOffice Writer installation uses the non-standard, internal file
> > dialog box, which uses 'End' instead of tab for auto-completion, which
> > I find really annoying.  The internal 'Help' states that under Tools /
> > Options / OpenOffice.org / General there's an option to select between
> > this internal dialog box and the system's ordinary one.  I'd much
> > rather use the standard GTK stuff that I'm used to, but there's no such
> > option where the help says it's supposed to be.  Can anyone else find
> > this option?
> >
> > OpenOffice.org 3.2.1
> > OOO320m19 (Build:9505)
> > ooo-build 3.2.1.4, Debian package 1:3.2.1-7
> >
> > Celejar
> Hi,
> it is: Tools>AutoCorrect Options Word Completion tab

Perhaps I wasn't clear; I'm interested in filename / path completion in
dialog boxes, not word completion within documents.  And I'd also just
like to revert to the system dialog boxes, as per the help screen.

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Re: OpenOffice and the GTK file dialog box

[godo]

On 11/01/2010 03:22 AM, Celejar wrote:

Hi,

My OpenOffice Writer installation uses the non-standard, internal file
dialog box, which uses 'End' instead of tab for auto-completion, which
I find really annoying.  The internal 'Help' states that under Tools /
Options / OpenOffice.org / General there's an option to select between
this internal dialog box and the system's ordinary one.  I'd much
rather use the standard GTK stuff that I'm used to, but there's no such
option where the help says it's supposed to be.  Can anyone else find
this option?

OpenOffice.org 3.2.1
OOO320m19 (Build:9505)
ooo-build 3.2.1.4, Debian package 1:3.2.1-7

Celejar

Hi,
it is: Tools>AutoCorrect Options Word Completion tab
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Re: OpenOffice crash: what to do next?

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 17:17:00 +0100, Hartmut Niemann wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> When I tried to save a document (spreadsheet) with latest openOffice
> from testing, I got
> 
> *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin: double
> free or corruption (out): 0x098b3040 *** === Backtrace: =

(...)

> With a different file, I had a similar effect when I tried to change an
> embedded graph. deleting it and creating it new worked. So this bug
> might be related to some very old (ooffice 2.x) graph that isn't handled
> properly?
> 
> How can I translate that into a reasonable bug report?

I'd say the full backtrace should be enough.

In addition, better yet if you attach the sample file that makes Calc 
crash, provided is not a confidential file, of course :-)

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Re: OpenOffice

[James Allsopp]

Brilliant, solved my problem!

On 9 May 2010 20:49, Alexander Batischev  wrote:

> On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 08:37:01PM +0100, James Allsopp wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling openoffice after an update, but
> an
> > still am stuck with the 3..1 version of openoffice. I'm running squeeze
> so
> > should have the 3.2 package available. Can anyone help?
>
> How did you figure out that you still have 3.1? Here is how I check mine:
>
> $ aptitude show openoffice.org-base-core
>
> It shows '1:3.2.0-4' in Version field.
>
> P.S. Just a blind shot: try the following command:
>
> $ aptitude safe-upgrade
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Re: OpenOffice

[Alexander Batischev]

On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 08:37:01PM +0100, James Allsopp wrote:
> Hi,
> I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling openoffice after an update, but an
> still am stuck with the 3..1 version of openoffice. I'm running squeeze so
> should have the 3.2 package available. Can anyone help?

How did you figure out that you still have 3.1? Here is how I check mine:

$ aptitude show openoffice.org-base-core

It shows '1:3.2.0-4' in Version field.

P.S. Just a blind shot: try the following command:

$ aptitude safe-upgrade

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Re: OpenOffice and Fluxbox, window sizing problem

[Tyler Smith]

"Wayne "  writes:

> Tyler Smith wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm trying to use openoffice on Debian testing, with Fluxbox as my
>> window manager. I use the styles and formatting dropdown, and the
>> undocked window it provides when you click on the "more" option quite a
>> lot. 
>
> Styles & formatting in what, fluxbox or OO?

OO

>
> However, no matter how many times I manually resize the undocked
>> window, or set my preferences for this window to be relatively small and
>> placed off to one side of the screen, it is constantly resized to
>> maximize, obscuring everything on the screen. This happens whenever I
>> use alt-tab to bounce between windows.
>
> I just brought up OO writer. Yes it takes up the whole screen. I then
> sized it to the size I wanted, right clicked on the titlle bar at the
> top, slected Remember, then clicked on the top 5 items and the Save on
> Close. Quit Writer and then selected it again. The OO writer window is
> as I had previously set. That works for most of the apps.

That's not the issue I'm having. It's the "Styles and Formatting" window
within OpenOffice that gets maximized. I described it further:

>
>> Typical example:
>>
>> Open oowriter
>> Click on the apply-styles drop-down in the menubar
>> Click on the "more" style option
>> The entire screen is taken up by the "Styles and Formatting" window
>> Resize the "Styles and Formatting" window with the mouse or keyboard 
>> shortcuts
>> Open a second document
>> alt-tab between the two documents
>> the "Styles and Formatting" window is now maximized again!
>>
>> I don't know if this is a fluxbox issue, or an OOO issue, but I've tried
>> setting appropriate options in .fluxbox/apps, and I can't override this
>> very annoying behaviour. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> If I'm mistaken the styles/formatting  are for the document, not the OO 
> writer window.

Well, yes. I open the "styles formatting" window for the document, but I
can't actually see the document because the styles and formatting window
is maximized over top of the document it is associated with.

>
> Maybe I am not understanding you correctly.

Hopefully it's clearer now.

Thanks,

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Re: OpenOffice and Fluxbox, window sizing problem

[Wayne]

Tyler Smith wrote:

Hi,

I'm trying to use openoffice on Debian testing, with Fluxbox as my
window manager. I use the styles and formatting dropdown, and the
undocked window it provides when you click on the "more" option quite a
lot. 


Styles & formatting in what, fluxbox or OO?

However, no matter how many times I manually resize the undocked

window, or set my preferences for this window to be relatively small and
placed off to one side of the screen, it is constantly resized to
maximize, obscuring everything on the screen. This happens whenever I
use alt-tab to bounce between windows.


I just brought up OO writer.  Yes it takes up the whole screen.  I then 
sized it to the size I wanted, right clicked on the titlle bar at the 
top, slected Remember, then clicked on the top 5 items and the Save on 
Close. Quit Writer and then selected it again.  The OO writer window is 
as I had previously set. That works for most of the apps.



Typical example:

Open oowriter
Click on the apply-styles drop-down in the menubar
Click on the "more" style option
The entire screen is taken up by the "Styles and Formatting" window
Resize the "Styles and Formatting" window with the mouse or keyboard shortcuts
Open a second document
alt-tab between the two documents
the "Styles and Formatting" window is now maximized again!

I don't know if this is a fluxbox issue, or an OOO issue, but I've tried
setting appropriate options in .fluxbox/apps, and I can't override this
very annoying behaviour. Any help would be appreciated.


If I'm mistaken the styles/formatting  are for the document, not the OO 
writer window.


Maybe I am not understanding you correctly.


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[SOLVED!] Re: openoffice font problems

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:27:50 +0200 Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
>> For some documents that were apparently prepared with a proprietary
>> application for users of a proprietary OS, some characters (mainly
>> greek letters in mathematics) are not correctly displayed in
>> openoffice.org. I tried both lenny's and backport's 3.0.
>>
>> FWIW the document _prints_ fine from OO.o 3.0.
>>
>> On screen, however, greek fonts are replaced by upright or slanted
>> rectangles.
>>
>> Any hints, what's wrong?
> 
> I _suspect_ that the 'Symbol' font has been used for the Greek
> characters.  (Could you check that?)

You are right!

> And the Symbol font is not installed by default.  It's not in OO.o's
> font drop-down list, right?  It's not in msttcorefonts either.

You are right!

> So, you would have to get symbol.ttf from some Windows installation,
> and install it just by putting it into /usr/local/share/fonts or into
> ~/.fonts .

Some searching on my system and with apt-file, dpkg -S, etc. revealed
that the package xfonts-mathml has some files that look relevant:

$ apt-file search Symbol\. |grep font
[...]
xfonts-mathml: /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/Symbol.afm
xfonts-mathml: /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/Symbol.pfb
xfonts-mathml: /usr/share/fonts/type1/mathml/Symbol.afm
xfonts-mathml: /usr/share/fonts/type1/mathml/Symbol.pfb
[...]

Installing xfonts-mathml fixed it.

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Re: openoffice font problems

[Sjoerd Hiemstra]

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:27:50 +0200 Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> For some documents that were apparently prepared with a proprietary
> application for users of a proprietary OS, some characters (mainly
> greek letters in mathematics) are not correctly displayed in
> openoffice.org. I tried both lenny's and backport's 3.0.
> 
> FWIW the document _prints_ fine from OO.o 3.0.
> 
> On screen, however, greek fonts are replaced by upright or slanted
> rectangles.
> 
> Any hints, what's wrong?

I _suspect_ that the 'Symbol' font has been used for the Greek
characters.  (Could you check that?)
And the Symbol font is not installed by default.  It's not in OO.o's
font drop-down list, right?  It's not in msttcorefonts either.

So, you would have to get symbol.ttf from some Windows installation,
and install it just by putting it into /usr/local/share/fonts or into
~/.fonts .

I think it _prints_ fine because Cups has a font named Symbol in
/usr/share/cups/fonts.  AFAICS, it's not meant for display on screen.


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Re: openoffice font problems

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> For some documents that were apparently prepared with a proprietary
> application for users of a proprietary OS, some characters (mainly greek
> letters in mathematics) are not correctly displayed in openoffice.org. I
> tried both lenny's and backport's 3.0.

FWIW the document _prints_ fine from OO.o 3.0.

On screen, however, greek fonts are replaced by upright or slanted
rectangles.

Any hints, what's wrong?

Thankful regards,

Johannes
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Re: OpenOffice Calc

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Saturday 2009 January 17 14:20:25 Raquel wrote:
>I've upgraded from Etch to Lenny.  Today I'm working on a spreadsheet
>and notice that when I copy a cell, to paste somewhere else, that
>there is a "border" put around the cell I copy.

It goes away next time you copy.  It's just a visual indicator of what the 
clipboard contents are.  IIRC, it will also go away if you close OO.org Calc 
and reopen the file.
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Re: OpenOffice Calc

[Bob Cox]

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 12:20:25 -0800, Raquel (raq...@thericehouse.net) wrote: 

> I've upgraded from Etch to Lenny.  Today I'm working on a spreadsheet
> and notice that when I copy a cell, to paste somewhere else, that
> there is a "border" put around the cell I copy.  I go into "Format
> Cells => Borders" to try getting rid of the "border" that has been
> placed around the cell.  The "border" does not go away.  To remove
> the "border" I must click on "Default Formatting" which, of course,
> removes the number formatting for that cell.  Then I must go back and
> replace the number formatting that I want for the cell I copied.
> Nothing else seems to undo (even "Undo") the "border" put around the
> copied cell.

Press the escape key?

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Re: openoffice bug

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Wednesday 2008 December 10 05:33:53 joswright wrote:
>Iwas advised to report this problem to you as it is probably not
>openoffices fault!

If you are using Debian, you can always report bugs using the "reportbug" 
tool.  Once filed, it's up to the maintainer of the package to push the fix 
and/or bug upstream as needed.

>I have been using open office to print labels for years .  How ever
>since I have gone onto Debian Lenny I cannot do it!

What were you using before?  Could you go through the steps, please?  I've 
never tried printing labels from OO.o before.

>The connecton between the database created by openoffice and the labels
>is broken. All the relevant java programmes have been checked.

I'd love to help, but you are going to have to provide more details.  Copy and 
pasting from error messages is great.  Detailed descriptions on missing 
options is good, too.  Please read 
http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html and get back to us.  Just 
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Re: openoffice bug

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Wednesday 10 December 2008 12:33:53 joswright wrote:
> Iwas advised to report this problem to you as it is probably not
> openoffices fault!
>
> I have been using open office to print labels for years .  How ever
> since I have gone onto Debian Lenny I cannot do it!
>
> The connecton between the database created by openoffice and the labels
> is broken. All the relevant java programmes have been checked.
>
> Hope you can help
>
> Josephine


Using lenny, and happilly printing labels. You have to check for other 
problems on your system.


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Re: openoffice java problem in sid

[niclas wahlgren]

Yes

/N

Javier Barroso wrote:
Hello,
Have you got sun-java as the default java (with update-alternatives) ?
  
  On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 11:29 AM, niclas w
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
  I
can't set java runtime environment in openoffice 2.4.0
(openoffice.org-core 1:2.4.0-6)
Tools >> Options >> Openoffice.org  >> Java

When I set jre to Sun Microsystems 1.6.0_06 it seems to work but when I
reopen the window it's not set. Niether does it tell me to restart oo.
Also I can't change the two found jre's neither add more jre's

Is this a debian or oo problem?

Debian sid 2.6.24-1-amd64

/N


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Re: openoffice java problem in sid

[Javier Barroso]

Hello,
Have you got sun-java as the default java (with update-alternatives) ?

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 11:29 AM, niclas w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I can't set java runtime environment in openoffice 2.4.0
> (openoffice.org-core 1:2.4.0-6)
> Tools >> Options >> Openoffice.org  >> Java
>
> When I set jre to Sun Microsystems 1.6.0_06 it seems to work but when I
> reopen the window it's not set. Niether does it tell me to restart oo.
> Also I can't change the two found jre's neither add more jre's
>
> Is this a debian or oo problem?
>
> Debian sid 2.6.24-1-amd64
>
> /N
>
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Re: openoffice (is it broken?)

[Jonathan Kaye]

Daniel Dalton wrote:

> 
> Does anyone know if OO is broken in debian lenny? On my testing box, I
> installed or upgraded something that broke pidgin and firefox and it looks
> to be openoffice. Can a debian lenny user please run: apt-get update &&
> apt-get upgrade (as root) and report back to me if: - Firefox 3 works
> correctly with orca (test alt d) - can you arrow down the office menu and
> open office writer? Or does gnome lock up? - Can you type the email
> address in the add account dialog in pidgin and tab
> away from the box?
> 
> If you don't want to try with orca don't worry it should be the same with
> or with out.
> 
> Thanks for any help,
> 
Hi Daniel,
I'm running Lenny 2.6.24 with Openoffice 2.4.1 and Firefox 2.0.0.14/3beta5
and Pidgin 2.0.0. They all work fine. No problems.
HTH
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Re: openoffice (is it broken?)

[Alan Ianson]

On Thu May 1 2008 02:52:30 am Daniel Dalton wrote:
> Does anyone know if OO is broken in debian lenny? On my testing box, I
> installed or upgraded something that broke pidgin and firefox and it looks
> to be openoffice. 

OO and pigeon work fine on my lenny box. I use iceweasel 2.0.0.14 rather than 
firefox.

> Can a debian lenny user please run: apt-get update && 
> apt-get upgrade (as root) and report back to me if: - Firefox 3 works
> correctly with orca (test alt d) - can you arrow down the office menu and
> open office writer? Or does gnome lock up? - Can you type the email
> address in the add account dialog in pidgin and tab
> away from the box?

I don't have orca or firefox installed so I can't check those, but I can add 
an address in pidgin and tab away from it.


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Re: Openoffice file takes a long time to open

[Wei Wang]

Hi there
Try to modified it and save it on SUSE machine. Then copy the file back
to etch laptop.

On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 11:15 +0100, John O Laoi wrote:
> Hello,
> I am running Etch on a Dell Precision laptop.
>  I have one openoffice file, say XYZ.odt, which takes a long time to
> open (maybe 25 minutes).
> While it is opening, Openoffice is stalled. 
> It is not big. ls-l  reports its size as 18,000.
> I have many much bigger files which open immediately.
> 
> I copied the file to SUSE linux that I have on a desktop, and the file
> opened quickly. 
> I tried changing its name.
> I tried copying its contents to a new file.
> I made a copy of the file (using cp).
> I had some URLs in the file, which I changed to text (removed the blue
> and underline) 
> I ran fsck on the filesystem on which it resides, and it reported no
> bad blocks.
> 
> Any ideas where I look?
> 
> John


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Re: Openoffice file takes a long time to open

[David Fox]

Ralph wrote:


> Don't know, John, I'm just a simple user.  If it were me, I'd copy the
> contents of the doc onto the clipboard, paste it into a text-only

Well, I remember doing something similar at a previous job. I was
doing quite a bit of Excel spreadsheets there, and over time this
spreadsheet I was using got a bit on the complex side, and would bring
the workstation I was using to its knees, with disk I/O going on
constantly. (The machine just was too underpowered, only had a 128 meg
of RAM etc.)

What I ended up doing was to get a copy of staroffice (this was back
in 2000) then copy the spreadsheet over to that, and then reload it
into Excel. That helped quite a bit, since I apparently had quite a
number of otherwise "unused" cell areas that still got moved in and
out of system RAM while I was working on the main sheet.



> Ralph


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Re: Openoffice file takes a long time to open

[Ralph Katz]

On 09/26/2007 11:02 AM, John O Laoi wrote:
> 
> 
> On 9/26/07, *Ralph Katz* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> 
> 
> Also check your disk i/o for swapping.  
> 
> 
> How do I do that?

Little ole me looks at the disk light. :)  Also, I have gkrellm
installed which can show graphically the disk usage.  (There is also the
systat package which I just found searching for -> monitor OR watch
"disk i/o" -> iostat -> search debian pkgs page for this command.)  And
of course top and free commands show swap space used/available.

> Also, check whether any other unusual objects are embedded or called
> somehow.  Perhaps some object is not loading, re-trying, and finally
> timing out.  Just a guess...
> 
> 
> That is what has me baffled - there are no images or anything else in
> the file.
> It has some email addresses - maybe openoffice is trying to open an
> email application for each of these.
> John

Don't know, John, I'm just a simple user.  If it were me, I'd copy the
contents of the doc onto the clipboard, paste it into a text-only
editor, re-copy the now text-only data into a new OOo doc.  (This is
crude, but assures nothing surprising gets inadvertently copied.)  Now,
try the new doc.

Good luck!
Ralph


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Re: Openoffice file takes a long time to open

[Ralph Katz]

On 09/26/2007 09:21 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 09/26/07 05:15, John O Laoi wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I am running Etch on a Dell Precision laptop.
>>  I have one openoffice file, say XYZ.odt, which takes a long time to open
>> (maybe 25 minutes).
>> While it is opening, Openoffice is stalled.
> 
> No surprise there.
> 
>> It is not big. ls-l  reports its size as 18,000.
>> I have many much bigger files which open immediately.
> 
> Maybe it's *highly* compressed and most of the time is spent in
> zlib.  I've seen examples of corner cases that take forever to open.
> 
>> I copied the file to SUSE linux that I have on a desktop, and the file
>> opened quickly.
> 
> You neglect to mention the specs of the 2 machines.  Maybe the
> desktop is 10x faster?
> 
>> I tried changing its name.
>> I tried copying its contents to a new file.
>> I made a copy of the file (using cp).
>> I had some URLs in the file, which I changed to text (removed the blue and
>> underline)
>> I ran fsck on the filesystem on which it resides, and it reported no bad
>> blocks.
> 
>> Any ideas where I look?
> 
> Run top in an xterm.  See if OOo is sucking a lot of CPU.

Also check your disk i/o for swapping.  I recently worked on a 4.8kb OOo
document that sucked in 8 images of 1.1Mb/each.  It was a simple letter
sized page with embedded images.  Working on that doc brought the old
500Mhz PIII to a crawl under etch, but it loaded and rendered in a
minute or 2, not 25 mins!

Also, check whether any other unusual objects are embedded or called
somehow.  Perhaps some object is not loading, re-trying, and finally
timing out.  Just a guess...

Good luck,
Ralph


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Re: Openoffice file takes a long time to open

[Ron Johnson]

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On 09/26/07 05:15, John O Laoi wrote:
> Hello,
> I am running Etch on a Dell Precision laptop.
>  I have one openoffice file, say XYZ.odt, which takes a long time to open
> (maybe 25 minutes).
> While it is opening, Openoffice is stalled.

No surprise there.

> It is not big. ls-l  reports its size as 18,000.
> I have many much bigger files which open immediately.

Maybe it's *highly* compressed and most of the time is spent in
zlib.  I've seen examples of corner cases that take forever to open.

> I copied the file to SUSE linux that I have on a desktop, and the file
> opened quickly.

You neglect to mention the specs of the 2 machines.  Maybe the
desktop is 10x faster?

> I tried changing its name.
> I tried copying its contents to a new file.
> I made a copy of the file (using cp).
> I had some URLs in the file, which I changed to text (removed the blue and
> underline)
> I ran fsck on the filesystem on which it resides, and it reported no bad
> blocks.
> 
> Any ideas where I look?

Run top in an xterm.  See if OOo is sucking a lot of CPU.

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Carl Johnson wrote:
> Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[snip]
>> Joe?  Read the subject line.
> 
> That is an excellent example of why information should be in the body
> of a message as well as the subject.  Many of us use browsers that
> separate at least partially the subject and body.
> 
> The worst case are the messages that put the question in the subject,
> and then the body says only something like "see above".
> 

Excellent point Carl.  My MUA seems to clip them, so subject likes like
this one (see above) are almost always truncated.  More to the point,
the subject is in a different place and does not grab my attention when
reading bodies of messages, and when there are hundreds to read, it gets
harder for me to connect the dots.

Don't you just love the irony of me doing to this message what you
pointed out was so wrong?  In this case it was just to prove a point.

Thanks for coming to my defense.

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Re: Openoffice won't display whole document word count in document over 73,763 characters

[David Dawson]

David Dawson wrote:

> I'm not sure if this is a bug in OOo, or what, but it suddenly stopped
> displaying the word count in my document, when I went on typing and
> checked it. I found that by selecting all text, I could get a count, but
> not unless I did so; it would otherwise display 0 words 0 characters for
> the total.
> 
> If this is a bug I'd appreciate help filing a report. I checked the
> issuezilla site and a search did not turn up this problem.
> 
> I think it might be safer to cut the document in pieces. Any advice?
> 
> Thanks
Strangely, I have found that saving and reloading the .odt document cured
the problem - what do you know, eh?

I'd saved it as a .doc file and that might have provoked a problem
somewhere.

Oh well.

Thanks all for your responses.
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Re: Openoffice won't display whole document word count in document over 73,763 characters

[Carl Johnson]

Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 09:00:55AM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
> 
> > In regards to your problem.  Exactly how large is said document?  Large
> > is a very relative term.
> 
> Joe?  Read the subject line.

That is an excellent example of why information should be in the body
of a message as well as the subject.  Many of us use browsers that
separate at least partially the subject and body.

The worst case are the messages that put the question in the subject,
and then the body says only something like "see above".

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Re: Openoffice won't display whole document word count in document over 73,763 characters

[Ron Johnson]

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On 04/16/07 11:28, David Dawson wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
> On 04/16/07 01:08, David Dawson wrote:
 I'm not sure if this is a bug in OOo, or what, but it suddenly stopped
 displaying the word count in my document, when I went on typing and
 checked it. I found that by selecting all text, I could get a count, but
 not unless I did so; it would otherwise display 0 words 0 characters for
 the total.

 If this is a bug I'd appreciate help filing a report. I checked the
 issuezilla site and a search did not turn up this problem.

 I think it might be safer to cut the document in pieces. Any advice?
> Is that "73,763 characters" coming from the file size or the
> File->Properties Statistics tab?  v2.2 (at least) keeps (seemingly)
> accurate document counts, even if the /Number of Lines/ must be
> manually updated by clicking on an Update button.
>> It is coming from 'Tools>word count'
> 
>> I understand the point about not filing a bug report on 2.04.
>> I am keeping my sources at 'Testing', so in due course I'll get the update
>> to 2.2.

Even that works for me.

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Re: Openoffice won't display whole document word count in document over 73,763 characters

[David Dawson]

Ron Johnson wrote:

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> On 04/16/07 01:08, David Dawson wrote:
>> I'm not sure if this is a bug in OOo, or what, but it suddenly stopped
>> displaying the word count in my document, when I went on typing and
>> checked it. I found that by selecting all text, I could get a count, but
>> not unless I did so; it would otherwise display 0 words 0 characters for
>> the total.
>> 
>> If this is a bug I'd appreciate help filing a report. I checked the
>> issuezilla site and a search did not turn up this problem.
>> 
>> I think it might be safer to cut the document in pieces. Any advice?
> 
> Is that "73,763 characters" coming from the file size or the
> File->Properties Statistics tab?  v2.2 (at least) keeps (seemingly)
> accurate document counts, even if the /Number of Lines/ must be
> manually updated by clicking on an Update button.
It is coming from 'Tools>word count'

I understand the point about not filing a bug report on 2.04.
I am keeping my sources at 'Testing', so in due course I'll get the update
to 2.2.

Thanks All!
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Re: Openoffice won't display whole document word count in document over 73,763 characters

[Ron Johnson]

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On 04/16/07 01:08, David Dawson wrote:
> I'm not sure if this is a bug in OOo, or what, but it suddenly stopped
> displaying the word count in my document, when I went on typing and checked
> it. I found that by selecting all text, I could get a count, but not unless
> I did so; it would otherwise display 0 words 0 characters for the total.
> 
> If this is a bug I'd appreciate help filing a report. I checked the
> issuezilla site and a search did not turn up this problem.
> 
> I think it might be safer to cut the document in pieces. Any advice?

Is that "73,763 characters" coming from the file size or the
File->Properties Statistics tab?  v2.2 (at least) keeps (seemingly)
accurate document counts, even if the /Number of Lines/ must be
manually updated by clicking on an Update button.

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