Re: python-twisted-core on my machines inexplicably still old, breaking installation of python-twisted
On Du, 25 iul 10, 19:55:45, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2010-07-25 19:16 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > On Du, 25 iul 10, 12:37:28, Sven Joachim wrote: > >> > >> Which architecture is that? On i386, I only see 10.1.0-1 in the latest > >> Packages.bz2 from ftp.at.debian.org. > > > > amd64 > > Thanks, I see. The problem is that the twisted source package (which > builds the python-twisted binary package) has not been uploaded yet on > amd64, and even though python-twisted is an arch:all package, it is kept > at the old version. I must be misunderstanding something here, because AFAIK source packages don't really care about my *binary* arch. On the mirrors there are 'binary-amd64', 'binary-i386 directories', but only one 'source' directory. Which also explains why this works: $ LANG=C apt-get source python-twisted Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Picking 'twisted' as source package instead of 'python-twisted' Need to get 1661kB of source archives. Get:1 http://debian.mirrors.crysys.hu sid/main twisted 10.1.0-1 (dsc) [1226B] Get:2 http://debian.mirrors.crysys.hu sid/main twisted 10.1.0-1 (tar) [1648kB] Get:3 http://debian.mirrors.crysys.hu sid/main twisted 10.1.0-1 (diff) [12.2kB] Fetched 1661kB in 0s (1907kB/s) dpkg-source: info: extracting twisted in twisted-10.1.0 dpkg-source: info: unpacking twisted_10.1.0.orig.tar.gz dpkg-source: info: applying twisted_10.1.0-1.diff.gz dpkg-source: info: upstream files that have been modified: twisted-10.1.0/twisted/scripts/tap2deb.py > Previously, an arch:all package was in sync on all arches, but since > that often created uninstallabilities when foo (arch:any) depended on > foo-common (arch:all) of the same source version and foo was not built > yet, the ftp-masters changed that. Ok, this I understood :) > In this case this has the undesirable side effect that packages from a > _different_ source package depend on the new version of > python-twisted-core, making them uninstallable on amd64. Based also on you previous paragraph it would mean that some binary package built from the source 'twisted' has not been built on amd64 (yet). Let's see... ... Oh, it seems the Maintainer uploaded 10.1.0-2 today and I'm unable to find the build status for 10.1.0-1 anymore, but according to packages.debian.org the culprits seem to be python-twisted-bin and python-twisted-bin-dbg and indeed, they are missing from the mirror. Thanks for the explanation, +1 informative ;) Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: python-twisted-core on my machines inexplicably still old, breaking installation of python-twisted
On 2010-07-25 19:16 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Du, 25 iul 10, 12:37:28, Sven Joachim wrote: >> >> Which architecture is that? On i386, I only see 10.1.0-1 in the latest >> Packages.bz2 from ftp.at.debian.org. > > amd64 Thanks, I see. The problem is that the twisted source package (which builds the python-twisted binary package) has not been uploaded yet on amd64, and even though python-twisted is an arch:all package, it is kept at the old version. Previously, an arch:all package was in sync on all arches, but since that often created uninstallabilities when foo (arch:any) depended on foo-common (arch:all) of the same source version and foo was not built yet, the ftp-masters changed that. In this case this has the undesirable side effect that packages from a _different_ source package depend on the new version of python-twisted-core, making them uninstallable on amd64. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87iq43la3i@turtle.gmx.de
Re: python-twisted-core on my machines inexplicably still old, breaking installation of python-twisted
On Du, 25 iul 10, 05:24:33, Jordon Bedwell wrote: > > I confirmed this a few days ago. This is a repo issue that should > be reported to Debian so they can correct the version mismatch, I > mean we shouldn't get all mad about it since it is SID after all, > but they should know that there is a problem so they can get it > fixed as soon as they possibly can. #590243 Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: python-twisted-core on my machines inexplicably still old, breaking installation of python-twisted
On Du, 25 iul 10, 12:37:28, Sven Joachim wrote: > > Which architecture is that? On i386, I only see 10.1.0-1 in the latest > Packages.bz2 from ftp.at.debian.org. amd64 Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: python-twisted-core on my machines inexplicably still old, breaking installation of python-twisted
On 2010-07-25 10:37 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Vi, 23 iul 10, 09:49:27, Andrei Popescu wrote: >> On Jo, 22 iul 10, 10:28:21, d8uv wrote: >> > I need to install python-twisted, so... >> > >> > $ sudo aptitude install python-twisted >> > [[...]] >> > The following packages have unmet dependencies: >> > python-twisted-mail: Depends: python-twisted-core (>= 10.1) but >> > 10.0.0-3 is to be installed. >> > python-twisted-news: Depends: python-twisted-core (>= 10.1) but >> > 10.0.0-3 is to be installed. >> > python-twisted-words: Depends: python-twisted-core (>= 10.1) but >> > 10.0.0-3 is to be installed. >> > python-twisted-names: Depends: python-twisted-core (>= 10.1) but >> > 10.0.0-3 is to be installed. >> > The following actions will resolve these dependencies: >> > [[...]] >> >> Do you have unofficial packages installed? I have those exact packages >> on hold now because of vodafone-mobile-connect from betavine. > > Scratch that, I have the exact same issue. packages.debian.org shows > 10.1.0-1 for python-twisted and I can even download it from > ftp.at.debian.org (via packages.debian.org), but if I try aptitude with > the same mirror I still get the old version. > > I downloaded Packages.bz2 and Packages.gz with Iceweasel and indeed it > is still showing 10.0.0-3. This means it is either the mirror (but I > tried several already) or something else. Can somebody please confirm > this in order to exclude ISP problems? Which architecture is that? On i386, I only see 10.1.0-1 in the latest Packages.bz2 from ftp.at.debian.org. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/878w4zoniv@turtle.gmx.de
Re: python-twisted-core on my machines inexplicably still old, breaking installation of python-twisted
On 7/25/10 3:37 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote: Scratch that, I have the exact same issue. packages.debian.org shows 10.1.0-1 for python-twisted and I can even download it from ftp.at.debian.org (via packages.debian.org), but if I try aptitude with the same mirror I still get the old version. I downloaded Packages.bz2 and Packages.gz with Iceweasel and indeed it is still showing 10.0.0-3. This means it is either the mirror (but I tried several already) or something else. Can somebody please confirm this in order to exclude ISP problems? I confirmed this a few days ago. This is a repo issue that should be reported to Debian so they can correct the version mismatch, I mean we shouldn't get all mad about it since it is SID after all, but they should know that there is a problem so they can get it fixed as soon as they possibly can. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c4c10e1.7000...@envygeeks.com
Re: python-twisted-core on my machines inexplicably still old, breaking installation of python-twisted
On Vi, 23 iul 10, 09:49:27, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Jo, 22 iul 10, 10:28:21, d8uv wrote: > > I need to install python-twisted, so... > > > > $ sudo aptitude install python-twisted > > [[...]] > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > > python-twisted-mail: Depends: python-twisted-core (>= 10.1) but > > 10.0.0-3 is to be installed. > > python-twisted-news: Depends: python-twisted-core (>= 10.1) but > > 10.0.0-3 is to be installed. > > python-twisted-words: Depends: python-twisted-core (>= 10.1) but > > 10.0.0-3 is to be installed. > > python-twisted-names: Depends: python-twisted-core (>= 10.1) but > > 10.0.0-3 is to be installed. > > The following actions will resolve these dependencies: > > [[...]] > > Do you have unofficial packages installed? I have those exact packages > on hold now because of vodafone-mobile-connect from betavine. Scratch that, I have the exact same issue. packages.debian.org shows 10.1.0-1 for python-twisted and I can even download it from ftp.at.debian.org (via packages.debian.org), but if I try aptitude with the same mirror I still get the old version. I downloaded Packages.bz2 and Packages.gz with Iceweasel and indeed it is still showing 10.0.0-3. This means it is either the mirror (but I tried several already) or something else. Can somebody please confirm this in order to exclude ISP problems? Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: python-twisted-core on my machines inexplicably still old, breaking installation of python-twisted
Just a preamble, I posted [this question on Server Fault][1], and they've explained what's at fault: > It often takes a few days for a package to appear in all architectures, > because some architectures have more computing power for building than > others. While `python-twisted-core` is architecture-independent, its source > package is not. You can see which architectures have which versions by > looking at the [page of an architecture-dependent package from the same > source][2]. I see that as of today, i386 have 10.1.0-1 but amd64 still has > 10.0.0-3. `python-twisted-mail` is from a different package that propagated > quickly because it's architecture-dependent. They've also explained how to fix it. > Unless you really need the newer version, there's a very good chance that > grabbing all your python-twisted packages from testing will solve your > problem. The simplest way of doing this is adding testing to your > `sources.list` (since packages from testing are older that packages from > unstable, this shouldn't change what gets installed except if you give an > explicit request), and manually selecting the 10.0.0-3 versions in the > interactive UI of aptitude. So, as of this email, this is where I stand. I'm Debian Sid on AMD64, but I have access to Debian Testing's packages when things get a little nutty. Like here. It's a fine workaround, but the problem still exists. With that in mind, now is the time for me to make some replies. [1]: http://serverfault.com/questions/163164/ [2]: http://packages.debian.org/sid/python-twisted-bin --- On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Jordon Bedwell wrote: > This is a problem with the SID repos, I double checked it myself and could > only pull down 10.0 not 10.1, I would submit a ticket on the ticket system > to let them know that there is a mismatch in versions. It happens since it > is afterall very unstable and crazy in the head :P This is why I use Debian Sid. I can identify with it. As for the ticketing, I might do that later. I'm allright with making an utter fool of myself on debian-user, but the actual BTS? I'm not smart enough for that right now. Hell, I'm not really even smart enough for Debian Unstable. --- On Thu, Jul 22, 2010, 10:49 PM, Andrei Popescu : > Do you have unofficial packages installed? I have those exact packages > on hold now because of vodafone-mobile-connect from betavine. Nope, no unofficial packaged installed. Everything is stock sid stuff, with the caveat of the workaround described above. No advanced apt ninja trickery here. > Please post the output of 'apt-cache policy python-twisted-core'. $ apt-cache policy python-twisted-core python-twisted-core: Installed: 10.0.0-3 Candidate: 10.0.0-3 Version table: *** 10.0.0-3 0 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktim0qkrcaf+o0sxbpc2jpqwgqnkhhkcyxm8+m...@mail.gmail.com
Re: python-twisted-core on my machines inexplicably still old, breaking installation of python-twisted
On Jo, 22 iul 10, 10:28:21, d8uv wrote: > I need to install python-twisted, so... > > $ sudo aptitude install python-twisted > [[...]] > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > python-twisted-mail: Depends: python-twisted-core (>= 10.1) but > 10.0.0-3 is to be installed. > python-twisted-news: Depends: python-twisted-core (>= 10.1) but > 10.0.0-3 is to be installed. > python-twisted-words: Depends: python-twisted-core (>= 10.1) but > 10.0.0-3 is to be installed. > python-twisted-names: Depends: python-twisted-core (>= 10.1) but > 10.0.0-3 is to be installed. > The following actions will resolve these dependencies: > [[...]] Do you have unofficial packages installed? I have those exact packages on hold now because of vodafone-mobile-connect from betavine. > Oh. So it won't install python-twisted, because it depends on... hey, > wait a second... Let's check something... > http://packages.debian.org/sid/python-twisted-core says that the > latest version is 10.1.0-1... > > $ sudo aptitude update > [[...]] > $ aptitude show python-twisted-core > Package: python-twisted-core > New: yes > State: not installed > Version: 10.0.0-3 > Priority: optional > [[...]] > > Huh. So aptitude, for some reason, still thinks that 10.0.0-3 is the > latest version. Which it -so- isn't. Why? Am I on some crappy mirror, > or is it because of rogue repositories? Please post the output of 'apt-cache policy python-twisted-core'. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: python-twisted-core on my machines inexplicably still old, breaking installation of python-twisted
On 7/22/10 5:48 PM, d8uv wrote: On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Camaleón wrote: No need to post this twice :-) I didn't mean to, honest! I suppose not being smart enough to use a mailing list means that I'm also not smart enough to use Debian Sid... - Are you behind a proxy? Maybe your ISP is somehow caching data or reading the old one :-? No proxy. I highly doubt my ISP is caching things, but if they are, man I am all flavors of screwed. - Are you using some pinning/restrictions/rules for packages? Nope. No pinning, no restrictions, no rules. No fancy apt ninja stuff. - Try with another mirror from where to get the data or give "apt-get update" a chance. I've tried about 7 different mirrors, all to the same avail. apt-get update doesn't help, either. If only it were that simple... This is a problem with the SID repos, I double checked it myself and could only pull down 10.0 not 10.1, I would submit a ticket on the ticket system to let them know that there is a mismatch in versions. It happens since it is afterall very unstable and crazy in the head :P -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c48eb64.4000...@envygeeks.com
Re: python-twisted-core on my machines inexplicably still old, breaking installation of python-twisted
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Camaleón wrote: > No need to post this twice :-) I didn't mean to, honest! I suppose not being smart enough to use a mailing list means that I'm also not smart enough to use Debian Sid... > - Are you behind a proxy? Maybe your ISP is somehow caching data or > reading the old one :-? No proxy. I highly doubt my ISP is caching things, but if they are, man I am all flavors of screwed. > - Are you using some pinning/restrictions/rules for packages? Nope. No pinning, no restrictions, no rules. No fancy apt ninja stuff. > - Try with another mirror from where to get the data or give "apt-get > update" a chance. I've tried about 7 different mirrors, all to the same avail. apt-get update doesn't help, either. If only it were that simple... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimng9u3hskdsb9z50v0gatormutjppflg4ij...@mail.gmail.com
Re: python-twisted-core on my machines inexplicably still old, breaking installation of python-twisted
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:28:21 -0800, d8uv wrote: > I need to install python-twisted, so... No need to post this twice :-) > $ sudo aptitude install python-twisted [[...]] > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > python-twisted-mail: Depends: python-twisted-core (>= 10.1) but > 10.0.0-3 is to be installed. (...) > Ok, so I'm on the primary Debian mirror, it's been a day since the > upgrade, so any cron latency -should- be dealt with by now... and it's > still broken. I now officially have no clue what to do. Perhaps I should > try to post it onto a mailing list somewhere, maybe they can help. Some tips: - Are you behind a proxy? Maybe your ISP is somehow caching data or reading the old one :-? - Are you using some pinning/restrictions/rules for packages? - Try with another mirror from where to get the data or give "apt-get update" a chance. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.07.22.21.21...@gmail.com
