Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
On Wednesday, 9 Dec 2020 at 14:10, Eric S Fraga wrote: > Zoom has the same limitation on Linux but at least zoom allows the > other participants to zoom (no pun intended) into the view presented > by the application. Update: it does seem that zoom allows sharing individual windows. Worked for me this morning with 100 participants. I do have a paid-for zoom account (via my work place). -- Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50 & org 9.4 on Debian bullseye/sid
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
Dan Hitt writes: > Does anybody have any experience using Microsoft Team on debian, and is there > anything i need to be cautious about > (of course apart from running software from a giant software company)? I use Teams at work everyday, on a Dell laptop which has an integrated camera, with Ubuntu bionic (18.04), with an USB headset. I have experienced crashes from the "heavy client" (the .deb provided by Microsoft), but the web-based Teams works very well (I use Chrome for it, but I think Firefox works equally well). Enabling video (to show my face) and audio works without problem. I routinely share my screen, which works well apart from occasional glitches. The most annoying thing for me is that each time I join a meeting I have to switch (on GNOME Settings / sound) the audio input and output to a different device and back to my headset, so I have the habit of having GNOME Settings kept open the whole day; otherwise I don't have sound. Hope this helps. -- Fabrice
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
On 9/12/20 3:26 pm, Stefan Monnier wrote: https://askubuntu.com/questions/889164/use-phone-as-microphone-in-linux This looks interesting, indeed (tho Plumble is not maintained any more AFAICT, you might be able to use Mumla instead, also available from F-Droid). https://www.bytesin.com/how-to-use-your-phone-as-a-webcam-on-windows-linux-and-macos/ AFAICT these are all proprietary software, so I wouldn't recommend them. Stefan Thanks Stefan for the update Hoping I'm not duplicating - but better than not saying thanks, huh. -- Keith Bainbridge ke1thozgro...@gmx.com
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
Hello, ke 9. jouluk. 2020 klo 15.55 Yoann LE BARS (yo...@le-bars.net) kirjoitti: > > Hello everybody out there! > > On 2020/12/09 at 1:57 pm, Carl Fink wrote: > > You have to know the vocabulary. > > > > They say that "window" sharing is not available. "Screen" sharing is. > > That is, you can't share a specific application, but you can share your > > entire screen. > > Regardless of the vocabulary, I have hit several times the screen > sharing button, nothing ever happened. > > Now, to be honest, this is one of the annoying thing about > Microsoft > Teams, it is the kind of application that make you waste time rather > than saving time. > > I mainly using Fedora and the native client works OK for sharing the screen and also for audio. Concerning your point not to use MS - like other proprietary programs - I agree with you in principle. However, in practice I have no choice: since Corona I have to use Teams on my work, and technically Teams works surprisingly good and seams to be actively supported. Salut, Roland Best regards. > > -- > Yoann LE BARS > https://le-bars.net/yoann/ > Diaspora* : yleb...@framasphere.org > >
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
On 2020-12-08 22:37, Dan Hitt wrote: One of the local government agencies that i would like to interact with communicates using Microsoft Team. The software actually has a debian package, which i have downloaded, but not installed yet. I have a computer running debian 10.3, but it does not have a web cam or a mic. So presumably i need to set up both of those items to make this work. Does anybody have any experience using Microsoft Team on debian, and is there anything i need to be cautious about (of course apart from running software from a giant software company)? Any advice about the web cam or mic? TIA for any pointers. dan Any of the Logitech cameras with an integrated mic should work fine. They are readily available, reliable and reasonably priced. I've been using them for years without problems.
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
On Wed, 2020-12-09 at 18:34 +, Eric S Fraga wrote: > > I tried with somebody using a Windows 10 laptop and there did not > appear > to be any zooming capability in the Teams viewer unfortunately ... That's correct. MS has this on its development roadmap, but it is not part of the app or the web client at this time. -- Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.comhttps://reasonablyliterate.com If you want to make a point, somebody will take the point and stab you with it.-Kenne Estes
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
On Wednesday, 9 Dec 2020 at 17:13, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > In case it helps someone, zooming by the viewer in Teams should work on > mobile devices (tested on company iPad), no ideea about the desktop or > web app. Good to know. I tried with somebody using a Windows 10 laptop and there did not appear to be any zooming capability in the Teams viewer unfortunately. Zoom (the application) worked a little better in this regard in that it allows zooming in but not panning (or at least it wasn't apparent that panning was possible). Basically, Linux versions of these apps are not as good which, these days, is rather surprising (to me) as platform independent software should be much easier to write than it used to be. In the case of Teams, of course, there is a disincentive for MS to support Linux properly... -- Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50 & org 9.4 on Debian bullseye/sid
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
On Mi, 09 dec 20, 14:10:54, Eric S Fraga wrote: > On Wednesday, 9 Dec 2020 at 07:57, Carl Fink wrote: > > They say that "window" sharing is not available. "Screen" sharing is. > > That is, you can't share a specific application, but you can share your > > entire screen. > > Exactly. And very frustrating it is when your choice of screens is a > wide 38" or a 27" in portrait mode... Why they cannot support window > sharing is beyond me. > > Zoom has the same limitation on Linux but at least zoom allows the other > participants to zoom (no pun intended) into the view presented by the > application. In case it helps someone, zooming by the viewer in Teams should work on mobile devices (tested on company iPad), no ideea about the desktop or web app. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
On Wednesday, 9 Dec 2020 at 07:57, Carl Fink wrote: > They say that "window" sharing is not available. "Screen" sharing is. > That is, you can't share a specific application, but you can share your > entire screen. Exactly. And very frustrating it is when your choice of screens is a wide 38" or a 27" in portrait mode... Why they cannot support window sharing is beyond me. Zoom has the same limitation on Linux but at least zoom allows the other participants to zoom (no pun intended) into the view presented by the application. -- Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50 & org 9.4 on Debian bullseye/sid
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
Hello everybody out there! On 2020/12/09 at 1:57 pm, Carl Fink wrote: > You have to know the vocabulary. > > They say that "window" sharing is not available. "Screen" sharing is. > That is, you can't share a specific application, but you can share your > entire screen. Regardless of the vocabulary, I have hit several times the screen sharing button, nothing ever happened. Now, to be honest, this is one of the annoying thing about Microsoft Teams, it is the kind of application that make you waste time rather than saving time. Best regards. -- Yoann LE BARS https://le-bars.net/yoann/ Diaspora* : yleb...@framasphere.org
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
On Wed, 2020-12-09 at 13:51 +0100, Yoann LE BARS wrote: > > Hello everybody out there! > > On 2020/12/09 at 12:54 pm, Carl Fink wrote: > > This has not been my experience. I can share my screen just fine > > using > > the Teams client. > > According to Microsoft, this option is not available on Linux > client > ( > https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/share-content-in-a-meeting-in-teams-fcc2bf59-aecd-4481-8f99-ce55dd836ce8?ui=en-us&rs=en-us&ad=us > ). > I do not know how you managed to share your screen. You have to know the vocabulary. They say that "window" sharing is not available. "Screen" sharing is. That is, you can't share a specific application, but you can share your entire screen. -- Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.comhttps://reasonablyliterate.com If you want to make a point, somebody will take the point and stab you with it.-Kenne Estes
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
Hello everybody out there! On 2020/12/09 at 12:54 pm, Carl Fink wrote: > This has not been my experience. I can share my screen just fine using > the Teams client. According to Microsoft, this option is not available on Linux client (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/share-content-in-a-meeting-in-teams-fcc2bf59-aecd-4481-8f99-ce55dd836ce8?ui=en-us&rs=en-us&ad=us). I do not know how you managed to share your screen. Best regards. -- Yoann LE BARS https://le-bars.net/yoann/ Diaspora* : yleb...@framasphere.org
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 07:37:12PM -0800, Dan Hitt wrote: > Does anybody have any experience using Microsoft Team on debian, and is > there anything i need to be cautious about (of course apart from running > software from a giant software company)? I've used it several times, but never using Microsoft's package. I just use the in-browser version under Google Chrome.
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
On Wed, 2020-12-09 at 05:21 +0100, Yoann LE BARS wrote: > Microsoft Teams do runs on Linux, except for screen > sharing—you will > not be able to share your screen, even using the web application. > Except > for that, you will not have more troubles than other users, but I > have > seen people using Microsoft Windows and macOS having trouble to > connect > with Microsoft Teams … This has not been my experience. I can share my screen just fine using the Teams client. I cannot, however, share system audio, and the microphone, while it will work initially, will stop working if you adjust the volume through Teams (as opposed to using the Cinnamon volume applet). What everyone said: it works, but it will look and act differently from all other apps and you just have to adapt to Microsoft's off-kilter design to use it. As Eric S. Fraga said, turn off most or all notifications. I have a company cell phone, so I installed the Teams app on that, and use the phone for all my audio and notifications, just using the Linux app to display shared video. FWIW, my Logitech webcam works fine with Teams. -- Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.comhttps://reasonablyliterate.com If you want to make a point, somebody will take the point and stab you with it.-Kenne Estes
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
On Ma, 08 dec 20, 19:37:12, Dan Hitt wrote: > One of the local government agencies that i would like to interact with > communicates using Microsoft Team. The software actually has a debian > package, which i have downloaded, but not installed yet. Teams also has a web interface (teams.microsoft.com) that I would expect should work on at least Firefox. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
I use it (have to for work) on Debian testing. Works generally okay. The main problem is that it does not play well with the window manager or desktop environment. For instance, it re-invents the wheel when it comes to notifications which causes some annoyance as notifications steal the focus. And don't get me started with the chat feature... Best is to turn off most notifications. I also did have to turn off gpu acceleration in teams as it consistently crashed my video but that was potentially an issue with the nouveau driver. -- Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50 & org 9.4 on Debian bullseye/sid
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
Le 09/12/2020 à 04:37, Dan Hitt a écrit : One of the local government agencies that i would like to interact with communicates using Microsoft Team. The software actually has a debian package, which i have downloaded, but not installed yet. I have a computer running debian 10.3, but it does not have a web cam or a mic. So presumably i need to set up both of those items to make this work. Does anybody have any experience using Microsoft Team on debian, and is there anything i need to be cautious about (of course apart from running software from a giant software company)? Any advice about the web cam or mic? TIA for any pointers. dan I must use it at work. I kinds of work (on testing) Very bad integration with pulseaudio, you can choose the device in the soft, but it does not have any effect, keep a pavucontrol at hand. I did not succeed in making it ring on the sound device of my choice, it always defaukt to what was the default sound device at the time teams was started (and of this I am not completely sure). Very bad interaction with window manager also (I use KDE), it comes with its own buttons bar(and you must gess what a square or an horizontal line do), which lacks some controls (eg change desktop). I had to resort to a kwinrule to force the standard controls. I still ask for documentation since interface is for me completely illogical. Note that the MS .deb installs a new source in your apt system, then you have 2 packages teams and teams-insiders the latter being somekind of testing version of teams (but sometimes, they are the same version of the product)
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
On 9/12/20 12:51 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote: Try this: The camera is called Fogéek and Amazon sold it to me for $49.95. Specs from the box it came in are as follows: Image sensor : CMOS Pixel : 5 Million Maximum Resolution : 2592*1944 Frame rate: 30fps Port USB2.0 If I could send you a picture, I would. It is very clear, no visible pixels, did not require a bright light, and the audio pickup is very clear and audible without shouting at it or anything. And I don't work for Amazon or the Chinese people who made the camera. --doug You have to be a bit careful with high resolution cameras using USB-2. Unless they have an integral H.264 encoder there isn't enough bandwidth on USB-2 to run full resolution at full frame-rate. This problem exists at least in some microsoft branded cameras that offer high specs until you read the fine print. OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
On 12/8/20 10:37 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: One of the local government agencies that i would like to interact with communicates using Microsoft Team. The software actually has a debian package, which i have downloaded, but not installed yet. I have a computer running debian 10.3, but it does not have a web cam or a mic. So presumably i need to set up both of those items to make this work. Does anybody have any experience using Microsoft Team on debian, and is there anything i need to be cautious about (of course apart from running software from a giant software company)? Any advice about the web cam or mic? TIA for any pointers. dan Try this: The camera is called Fogéek and Amazon sold it to me for $49.95. Specs from the box it came in are as follows: Image sensor : CMOS Pixel : 5 Million Maximum Resolution : 2592*1944 Frame rate: 30fps Port USB2.0 If I could send you a picture, I would. It is very clear, no visible pixels, did not require a bright light, and the audio pickup is very clear and audible without shouting at it or anything. And I don't work for Amazon or the Chinese people who made the camera. --doug
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
Hello everybody out there! On 2020/12/09 at 04:37 am, Dan Hitt wrote: > Does anybody have any experience using Microsoft Team on debian, and is > there anything i need to be cautious about (of course apart from running > software from a giant software company)? Well, considering the pandemic, as many others, I had to test several solutions for distant collaborating. Well, actually, we are accustomed to doing this in free software and open source, so using Git, NextCloud or OwnCloud, mailing lists and Jitsi, you can very efficiently collaborate with distant collaborators. Now, very often institutions do not consider free software nor open source and without testing these options, run for proprietary solutions. I had to test Zoom and Microsoft Teams. Zoom works quite well, is expensive and everything runs on own Zoom servers—which I consider being a problem. Microsoft Teams do runs on Linux, except for screen sharing—you will not be able to share your screen, even using the web application. Except for that, you will not have more troubles than other users, but I have seen people using Microsoft Windows and macOS having trouble to connect with Microsoft Teams … Now, comparing Jitsi, Zoom, Discord and Microsoft Teams, my experience is Microsoft Teams is the worst of those solutions. In my experience, Zoom and Jitsi are the two best, from a user perspective and not considering the problem of proprietary software, the experience is the same with Jitsi and Zoom. Zoom has some options to create sub rooms—sorry, I cannot find the proper English word—, to do so with Jitsi you need to create several meeting rooms, which is a bit less efficient, but in my experience it is not a problem. With Jitsi, you can use your own server or servers from Jitsi.org. > Any advice about the web cam or mic? I use a webcam from Logitech with embedded microphone and it works very well. Best regards. -- Yoann LE BARS https://le-bars.net/yoann/ Diaspora* : yleb...@framasphere.org
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/889164/use-phone-as-microphone-in-linux This looks interesting, indeed (tho Plumble is not maintained any more AFAICT, you might be able to use Mumla instead, also available from F-Droid). > https://www.bytesin.com/how-to-use-your-phone-as-a-webcam-on-windows-linux-and-macos/ AFAICT these are all proprietary software, so I wouldn't recommend them. Stefan
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 20:37 Dan Hitt wrote: > One of the local government agencies that i would like to interact with > communicates using Microsoft Team. The software actually has a debian > package, which i have downloaded, but not installed yet. > > I have a computer running debian 10.3, but it does not have a web cam or a > mic. > > So presumably i need to set up both of those items to make this work. > > Does anybody have any experience using Microsoft Team on debian, and is > there anything i need to be cautious about (of course apart from running > software from a giant software company)? > > Any advice about the web cam or mic? > > TIA for any pointers. > > dan > Dan, Teams runs really well under Debian Buster but like you I don't have a microphone or headset configured. As far as the Teams "experience," it is equally good on Linux and windows. It shows that Microsoft has put quite a bit of effort into making Teams Linux compatible. >
Re: running microsoft team on debian 10.3
On 9/12/20 2:37 pm, Dan Hitt wrote: Any advice about the web cam or mic? Dan No experience of team in linux These 2 links give directions on how to use an android phone/tablet as your PC camera/mic: https://askubuntu.com/questions/889164/use-phone-as-microphone-in-linux https://www.bytesin.com/how-to-use-your-phone-as-a-webcam-on-windows-linux-and-macos/ I've put that off for weeks now, but will HAVE to do it early new year. Best -- Keith Bainbridge ke1thozgro...@gmx.com
