Re: sid is not for newbies.
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 07:59:29AM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote: > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Jon Dowland wrote: > > The trouble is that testing is very variable: pretty good from freeze > > onwards, > > terrible immediately after freeze, etc. - not consistent. > > Neither is Sid, it does the same thing. It cleans up faster, but fair point: it does break at exactly the same times. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121116203018.GB1220@debian
Re: sid is not for newbies.
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Jon Dowland wrote: > The trouble is that testing is very variable: pretty good from freeze onwards, > terrible immediately after freeze, etc. - not consistent. Neither is Sid, it does the same thing. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_M=ednhgrj_hr_3weazk4eh-r-eedje4rawctonk3...@mail.gmail.com
Re: sid is not for newbies.
The trouble is that testing is very variable: pretty good from freeze onwards, terrible immediately after freeze, etc. - not consistent. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121116153613.GA30979@debian
Re: sid is not for newbies.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > If the OP needs a > reliable system and not new software, drivers etc., I would recommend > Debian Stable. If you need new software, drivers etc. I recommend > Debian Testing. Nonono, not testing. Testing goes through epic fluctuations, things stay broken for months, etc. Seriously, I've found Sid to be far more stable than many other distributions "stable" releases. I agree that Sid is "not for newbies" for a first Linux, but it's hardly the land-mind-ridden DMZ at which folks hint. Anyone with any experience who wants to get to know their system intimately is well served by running Sid. And when Sid is dull? Arch, or maybe LFS. :^) Yes, sometimes things do break. The change from Xfree86 to Xorg was not nice, libc5 to libc6 wasn't fun, but those are punctuations in an otherwise relatively smooth narrative. Curt- - -- The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom is courage. - - Thucydides -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iFcDBQFQpjKItk9X6NaR4akRCJ5lAP9maUCl4GHyb0FF/sQDfberCXBILL1aiB3g AQWNx61upwD/TEpVHveNXs14Pd5qSvTSUHwQ375FvsMSB4/eduVM5mk= =Z1lM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211160733.16662.howl...@priss.com
Re: sid is not for newbies. (was ... Re: The following packages will be REMOVED:)
On 16. nov. 2012 03:39, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:51:32 -0500 Charles Kroeger wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:30:02 +0100 Chris Bannister wrote: Please don't run Sid, if you don't understand the risk( I like risk, why else would I run it, how could I understand it if I didn't? Multiboot? Sid + Testing or another Linux distro? And backup Sid regularly! Don't sync backups, but keep at least two backup versions, since nobody can test all possibilities after an update. IMO it's good, if people are willing to test something that is in development. OTOH I didn't follow this thread. If the OP needs a reliable system and not new software, drivers etc., I would recommend Debian Stable. If you need new software, drivers etc. I recommend Debian Testing. If you need it more up to date switch the distro. Since some time ago I preferred Arch Linux, but nobody should switch to Arch now, thanks to a switch to systemd, it's a completely borked distro. Ubuntu and Suse each half week come with new releases ;). My choice at the moment is Ubuntu with Xfce4 (Ubuntu Studio or Xubuntu). IMHO, if possible a user should stay with Debian stable. Even testing or other distros, e.g. Ubuntu, not only ship with lates development, but also a lots of risks. Helping the community by being a tester is good, software version hunting is idiotic. Everybody should balance pros and cons regarding to the needs. I only used stable and testing and derivatives, 64 Studio, AV Linux. 0,02€ Don't forget backports. Always an option if you need the latest with a bit less risk. After some fiddling I'm running kernel 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 on squeeze. Got tricked into installing multiarch libraries at one point, but backing out again was fairly straight-forward. Now I'm running latest dvb drivers and compiling mythtv without problems. Best of both worlds :-) . Some things take a while to get to backports, but waiting a couple of weeks lets me avoid upgrading everything. Worth it I think. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50a5ecb8.9000...@alstadheim.priv.no
Re: sid is not for newbies. (was ... Re: The following packages will be REMOVED:)
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:51:32 -0500 Charles Kroeger wrote: > On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:30:02 +0100 > Chris Bannister wrote: > > > Please don't run Sid, if you don't understand the risk( > > I like risk, why else would I run it, how could I understand it if I > didn't? Multiboot? Sid + Testing or another Linux distro? And backup Sid regularly! Don't sync backups, but keep at least two backup versions, since nobody can test all possibilities after an update. IMO it's good, if people are willing to test something that is in development. OTOH I didn't follow this thread. If the OP needs a reliable system and not new software, drivers etc., I would recommend Debian Stable. If you need new software, drivers etc. I recommend Debian Testing. If you need it more up to date switch the distro. Since some time ago I preferred Arch Linux, but nobody should switch to Arch now, thanks to a switch to systemd, it's a completely borked distro. Ubuntu and Suse each half week come with new releases ;). My choice at the moment is Ubuntu with Xfce4 (Ubuntu Studio or Xubuntu). IMHO, if possible a user should stay with Debian stable. Even testing or other distros, e.g. Ubuntu, not only ship with lates development, but also a lots of risks. Helping the community by being a tester is good, software version hunting is idiotic. Everybody should balance pros and cons regarding to the needs. I only used stable and testing and derivatives, 64 Studio, AV Linux. 0,02€ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121116033926.67da960c@qrc
Re: sid is not for newbies. (was ... Re: The following packages will be REMOVED:)
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:30:02 +0100 Chris Bannister wrote: > Please don't run Sid, if you don't understand the risk( I like risk, why else would I run it, how could I understand it if I didn't? -- CK -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aglh0lfja6...@mid.individual.net
