Re: stupid dependency on aptitude
On 25 Aug 2006, T wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:45:49 -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote: I totally agree. apt-get is sufficient. If you worry about the unneeded packages, then use deborphan. I use it every time I install or un-install packages. no hassle at all. I never use aptitude, never need to and never want to. However, for all the apt-get lovers, we are fighting a loosing battle here. Some stupid packges (eg. tasksel) insist the dependency on aptitude. aptitude has to be in your system. I wish that could be changed, so I can have a clean Debian system. I gave up on aptitude a long time ago. Wajig is the best solution I've found. From the man page: wajig packages into one tool many commands useful for managing a Debian system. Instead of having to remember whether to use dpkg or apt-get or apt-cache, etc, wajig does the selec- tion of the appropriate tool for you. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microsoft-free zone - Using Linux Gnu-Debian http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, on-line books and sceptical articles) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stupid dependency on aptitude
T wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:45:49 -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote: } That's your problem. aptitude sucks. } } I always use something like aptitude install -t version xxx. Aptitude } remembers reverse dependencies, hence aptitude purge xxx will remove xxx } and all it's deps, apt-get won't. This is the primary benefit I keep hearing about for aptitude over apt-get. I just don't see it as particularly valuable. Let's talk use cases: 1) ... 4) I am actually low on disk space and want to get rid of some unused packages to free some space. First off, disk space is cheap so this is moderately unlikely to begin with. Second, apt-get clean is the first step. Finally, I can use deborphan (or gtkorphan if I'm in a GUI frame of mind) to get rid of unneeded or unused packages. That fourth use case is the only one that involves more effort when using apt-get instead of aptitude. It's also an uncommon case, especially as compared to the others. I don't consider it worth giving up the simplicity of apt-get to optimize an uncommon use case. (How uncommon is it? I think I've gone through it once in the past six years, and that was on a machine with a 2GB HD.) I totally agree. apt-get is sufficient. If you worry about the unneeded packages, then use deborphan. I use it every time I install or un-install packages. no hassle at all. I never use aptitude, never need to and never want to. However, for all the apt-get lovers, we are fighting a loosing battle here. Some stupid packges (eg. tasksel) insist the dependency on aptitude. aptitude has to be in your system. I wish that could be changed, so I can have a clean Debian system. thanks The only problem with this is that, IIRC, deborphan is deprecated in sid/etch as this functionality is now built into aptitude. It seems we are being encouraged to use aptitude :) I use Kpackage as a front end to apt-get and find this to be sufficient with an odd deborphan every now and then, hopefully kpackage can be made to use aptitude in the future! Regards Wackojacko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stupid dependency on aptitude
Wackojacko wrote:
hopefully kpackage can be made to use aptitude in the future!
It is called adept and its not-yet-100%-stable version is already in
Debian/{unstable,testing}
Matěj
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Re: stupid dependency on aptitude
On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 05:41:03PM +0100, Wackojacko wrote: T wrote: If you worry about the unneeded packages, then use deborphan. I use it every time I install or un-install packages. no hassle at all. The only problem with this is that, IIRC, deborphan is deprecated in sid/etch as this functionality is now built into aptitude. It seems we are being encouraged to use aptitude :) I use Kpackage as a front end to apt-get and find this to be sufficient with an odd deborphan every now and then, hopefully kpackage can be made to use aptitude in the future! The deborphan man page or README doesn't mention it being deprecated. I would be sad if it went away, though, as it's quite useful to, for example, `dpkg --purge $(deborphan)` (of course after checking the output of deborphan on its own) -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You never gain something but that you lose something. -- Thoreau -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stupid dependency on aptitude
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christopher Nelson wrote: On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 05:41:03PM +0100, Wackojacko wrote: T wrote: If you worry about the unneeded packages, then use deborphan. I use it every time I install or un-install packages. no hassle at all. The only problem with this is that, IIRC, deborphan is deprecated in sid/etch as this functionality is now built into aptitude. It seems we are being encouraged to use aptitude :) I use Kpackage as a front end to apt-get and find this to be sufficient with an odd deborphan every now and then, hopefully kpackage can be made to use aptitude in the future! The deborphan man page or README doesn't mention it being deprecated. I would be sad if it went away, though, as it's quite useful to, for example, `dpkg --purge $(deborphan)` (of course after checking the output of deborphan on its own) aptitude just to think itself clever，apt plus your head will be more smart :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE76Bfexs2apGZoVgRAjmCAKCVcaZdCVu2hfSkny1yLULShbVqvACg+f98 qANYN9hbJKhLNnS+5QlfuwU= =BYfX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
