Re: su su- sudo dont work

[CL]

Am 27.01.24 um 10:23 schrieb Hans:

I see this exactly as you and are watching this list for may years.

However, I wanted not to be so directly because I want not to blame anyone on
this list.

But since the beginning, I had the suspicion, that someone just wants to make
fun with us.

Aleady from the beginning I checked after the mail adress (please note, I am
German myself) and found some theater group behind the mailadress.

So I personally(!) believe, the group is making fun with us, but even then I
gave him a chance.

And again I personally(!) (and this is my very personal opinion), I think,
nobody is so stupid, that he/she can not do a su or install a package. NOT
after 2 years!!!

For me, I will get no help here for this person, just ignore it. This is my
very personal decision!

Sorry to say it, but for me personally it looks like fake! Like a morone, like
a troll.

And those I can not support, sorry.

Please excuse, I do not want to hurt anyone, just tell, what I think.

Best regards

Hans


I see very similar posts in the German language list from the last two
years but as Tobias Schwibingerr or similar - also signed by a Sophie

When I asked this question some time ago, it seems that the German language
list had concluded that this person might be a troll (or even a psychology
experiment / AI) :(

Like you, I have attempted to engage - but I think none of us will see
any change - I think the German list pays no attention / may have blocked
this user.






Hello,

I agree completely with you.

Follow this list for appr. one year now and this "person" (Michael 
Schwibinger / Sophie / ???) pop up every couple of month.


He/She works always with the same "scam".

1. Came up with a simple sounding cry for help (Computer / OS destroyed 
or something else)
2. React on questions for clarification with stupid and even more 
confusing answers


What I notice that every popup it is a little bit better with the 
answers. They stay stupid and unrelated but the are more wordy.


So I think at the moment it is a troll who works with AI to generate 
some answers. But this is of course my personal opinion.


For a real psychological experiment the design of the experiment is much 
to poor.


I decided for me not care on threads which are based on a message of 
this persons.


The most disappointing thing is that there is no possibility to block 
such "contributors". As I know. Even a block won't really help. They 
might start with a new email in the same way again.



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Re: su su- sudo dont work

[Christian Lorenz]

Yes,

He/She is back again.

In my opinion no serious request intended by this "person".

Same approach as last time (and the issues before)

* crying for help (destroyed OS)
* no real answers to questions
* repeating the same complain frequently


Some possibilities

1. Shity AI
2. Troll
3. Bored child
4. 
5. ...

I think best thing: ignore it latest after the first fail response to a clear 
quedtion.



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**Christian Lorenz**

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Am 20. Januar 2024 15:34:16 MEZ schrieb David Wright :
>On Sat 20 Jan 2024 at 09:14:30 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote:
>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 01:26:06PM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
>> > Good afternoon.
>> > Root terminal is fine.
>> > What do I do wrong?
>> > What did I destroy?
>> > 
>> > PC does have only one user=admin.
>> > 
>> > Regards Sophie
>> > Is it the rescue mode?
>> 
>> Explain, please.
>> 
>> Your Subject: header says "su su- sudo dont work".  What does this MEAN?
>> 
>> Please show us your attempts to USE each of these commands, and the
>> results that you got.  This means, run the commands in a terminal
>> window, and then PASTE the contents of that terminal window into the
>> body of your next email.  Show us the shell prompt, the command as you
>> typed it, and the full output.
>> 
>> In other words, show us WHAT IS WRONG, or at least what appears wrong.
>> 
>> In addition, please give basic background information -- what version
>> of Debian you are running, what desktop environment if any, how you
>> logged in (*especially* if it isn't just a "standard graphical login
>> for your desktop environment"), and anything else you can think of
>> that might be relevant.
>> 
>> How does "rescue mode" factor into the problem?
>> 
>> When you installed Debian, did you give a root password, or did you
>> leave it blank?
>> 
>> Finally, it would be helpful for you to run the "id" command (with no
>> arguments), in the same terminal session as your failed su or sudo
>> command(s), and include that command and its output in your paste.
>
>Welcome to the world of déjà vu.
>
>  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2022/07/msg00601.html
>
>Cheers,
>David.
>

Re: su su- sudo dont work

[Gareth Evans]

> On 23 Jan 2024, at 18:30, Hans  wrote:
> 
> Am Dienstag, 23. Januar 2024, 13:54:25 CET schrieb Schwibinger Michael:
> For gvetting root as normal user, best is use "su -".
> 
> Note: It is not "su-", but "su -", with a space between su and the minus sign.

Also su requires root's password, not the user's, just in case that's worth 
mentioning...

Re: su su- sudo dont work

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 4:07 PM Schwibinger Michael 
wrote:

> Thank You
> Example
> I say
>
> sudo apt-get install firefox
> Reaction LINUX
> This is not allowed we send a message to the admin.
>

This error message means that your account is not in the sudo group.

Run the command "groups" and look for the group sudo.
groups

Here is the command to add a user account to the sudo group. You will need
to run it as root.
usermod -a -G sudo 


> I do open root terminal
> there its working.
> Regards
> Sophie
>
> --
> *Von:* Greg Wooledge 
> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 20. Januar 2024 14:14
> *An:* debian-user@lists.debian.org 
> *Betreff:* Re: su su- sudo dont work
>
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 01:26:06PM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
> > Good afternoon.
> > Root terminal is fine.
> > What do I do wrong?
> > What did I destroy?
> >
> > PC does have only one user=admin.
> >
> > Regards Sophie
> > Is it the rescue mode?
>
> Explain, please.
>
> Your Subject: header says "su su- sudo dont work".  What does this MEAN?
>
> Please show us your attempts to USE each of these commands, and the
> results that you got.  This means, run the commands in a terminal
> window, and then PASTE the contents of that terminal window into the
> body of your next email.  Show us the shell prompt, the command as you
> typed it, and the full output.
>
> In other words, show us WHAT IS WRONG, or at least what appears wrong.
>
> In addition, please give basic background information -- what version
> of Debian you are running, what desktop environment if any, how you
> logged in (*especially* if it isn't just a "standard graphical login
> for your desktop environment"), and anything else you can think of
> that might be relevant.
>
> How does "rescue mode" factor into the problem?
>
> When you installed Debian, did you give a root password, or did you
> leave it blank?
>
> Finally, it would be helpful for you to run the "id" command (with no
> arguments), in the same terminal session as your failed su or sudo
> command(s), and include that command and its output in your paste.
>
>

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Re: su su- sudo dont work

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

On Sat, 2024-01-20 at 13:26 +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
> 
> Good afternoon.
> Root terminal is fine.
> What do I do wrong?
> What did I destroy?
> 
> 
> PC does have only one user=admin.
> 
> 
> Regards Sophie
> Is it the rescue mode?

Hellow Sophie,

English is not my native language. Sometimes i use Korean mailing list
for me. Because i am Korean and i feel hard to write/speak English.


I guess English is not your native language. There is a German-only Q&A
mailing. See  please.


Es gibt ein Q&A-Mailing nur auf Deutsch.

Schau hier:



Sincerely, Byung-Hee from South Korea

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Re: su su- sudo dont work

[Andy Smith]

Hi,

On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 01:26:06PM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
> Good afternoon.
> Root terminal is fine.
> What do I do wrong?
> What did I destroy?

h-boy, strap yourselves in for another epic Sophie/Michael
thread. A bit like the Gene ones, though tend to be circular across
a much smaller pool of non-information, and far less chance of
bringing up the Korean war. Equally pessimistic as to the chances
of ever reaching a resolution.

Thanks,
Andy

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Re: su su- sudo dont work

[David Wright]

On Sat 20 Jan 2024 at 09:14:30 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 01:26:06PM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
> > Good afternoon.
> > Root terminal is fine.
> > What do I do wrong?
> > What did I destroy?
> > 
> > PC does have only one user=admin.
> > 
> > Regards Sophie
> > Is it the rescue mode?
> 
> Explain, please.
> 
> Your Subject: header says "su su- sudo dont work".  What does this MEAN?
> 
> Please show us your attempts to USE each of these commands, and the
> results that you got.  This means, run the commands in a terminal
> window, and then PASTE the contents of that terminal window into the
> body of your next email.  Show us the shell prompt, the command as you
> typed it, and the full output.
> 
> In other words, show us WHAT IS WRONG, or at least what appears wrong.
> 
> In addition, please give basic background information -- what version
> of Debian you are running, what desktop environment if any, how you
> logged in (*especially* if it isn't just a "standard graphical login
> for your desktop environment"), and anything else you can think of
> that might be relevant.
> 
> How does "rescue mode" factor into the problem?
> 
> When you installed Debian, did you give a root password, or did you
> leave it blank?
> 
> Finally, it would be helpful for you to run the "id" command (with no
> arguments), in the same terminal session as your failed su or sudo
> command(s), and include that command and its output in your paste.

Welcome to the world of déjà vu.

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2022/07/msg00601.html

Cheers,
David.

Re: su su- sudo dont work

[Dan Ritter]

Schwibinger Michael wrote: 
> Good afternoon.
> Root terminal is fine.
> What do I do wrong?
> What did I destroy?
> 
> PC does have only one user=admin.
> 
> Regards Sophie
> Is it the rescue mode?

Please tell us:

 exactly what rescue mode you were using

 exactly what the prompt was

 exactly what you typed

 exactly what the response was

 exactly what you want to have happen

Unless you tell us all of these things in one email message, it
will not be a good idea for any of us to try to help you.

Re: su su- sudo dont work

[Hans]

Am Samstag, 20. Januar 2024, 14:26:06 CET schrieb Schwibinger Michael:
There is not "su su-", but there is

su  = change to root, envirenmont of former user without changing of X 
environment (hope, this is corect said)
su -= change to root, environment of user root
su -p   = change to root, environment of former user (usefull when in 
window manager and you want to start graphical applications with root rights)
 
Hope this helps.

Best

Hans
 


> Good afternoon.
> Root terminal is fine.
> What do I do wrong?
> What did I destroy?
> 
> PC does have only one user=admin.
> 
> Regards Sophie
> Is it the rescue mode?

Re: su su- sudo dont work

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 01:26:06PM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
> Good afternoon.
> Root terminal is fine.
> What do I do wrong?
> What did I destroy?
> 
> PC does have only one user=admin.
> 
> Regards Sophie
> Is it the rescue mode?

Explain, please.

Your Subject: header says "su su- sudo dont work".  What does this MEAN?

Please show us your attempts to USE each of these commands, and the
results that you got.  This means, run the commands in a terminal
window, and then PASTE the contents of that terminal window into the
body of your next email.  Show us the shell prompt, the command as you
typed it, and the full output.

In other words, show us WHAT IS WRONG, or at least what appears wrong.

In addition, please give basic background information -- what version
of Debian you are running, what desktop environment if any, how you
logged in (*especially* if it isn't just a "standard graphical login
for your desktop environment"), and anything else you can think of
that might be relevant.

How does "rescue mode" factor into the problem?

When you installed Debian, did you give a root password, or did you
leave it blank?

Finally, it would be helpful for you to run the "id" command (with no
arguments), in the same terminal session as your failed su or sudo
command(s), and include that command and its output in your paste.