Re: ttf-liberation over ttf-mscorefonts; was Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?
On Wednesday 27 April 2011 09:02:38 Huang, Tao wrote: On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Klistvud quotati...@aliceadsl.fr wrote: Dne, 27. 04. 2011 12:36:03 je Andrei Popescu napisal(a): On Mi, 27 apr 11, 12:09:56, Klistvud wrote: Seems a quite reasonable policy to me. Of course, we all wish we could run free software ponly on our machines, but the time doesn't seem ripe for that. But we are getting closer every year: $ aptitude search '~snon-free|contrib~i!~M' i firmware-iwlwifi- Binary firmware for Intel Wireless 3945, 4 i flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin i nvidia-glx - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver i nvidia-settings - Tool for configuring the NVIDIA graphics d i opera - A fast and secure web browser and Internet i skype - Skype i sun-java6-plugin- The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6 i unrar - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free versio of these I could get rid of Opera anytime (I don't actually use it, but I test it from time to time) and probably the Java plugin (I don't even recall why it's installed). There is work in progress for replacements for the nvidia driver and the flash plugin (but still not entirely there). firmware-iwlwifi will be tough, because Intel claims it has to do with (FCC?) compliance and unrar because it's still quite widespread (but actually useless for compressed movies and mp3s, so it's more of a user education thing). After the recent radeon improvements, my list is even shorter -- although by only one line: i broadcom-sta-modules-2.6.32-5-amd64 - broadcom-sta modules for Linux (kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64) i broadcom-sta-source - Source for the Broadcom STA Wireless driver i conky - highly configurable system monitor (transitional package) i firmware-linux-nonfree - Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel i flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin i ttf-mscorefonts-installer - Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts i unrar - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version) Of which I could easily get rid of ttf-mscorefonts, and potentially of unrar and conky too (but I'm a huge fan of conky). And this is on a laptop, which are notorious for requiring proprietary drivers and stuff. On my desktop, the list is even more optimistic: i flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin i ttf-mscorefonts-installer - Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts i unrar - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version) of which I could easily discard all but the flashplugin-nonfree (although it's a piece of software I utterly despise). can be even shorter if u replace ttf-mscorefonts with ttf-liberation Cheers, Tao -- Thank you for the hint. I tried Liberation sans instead of Arial. It is not the same. Non ASCII fonts with diacritical signs do not render correctly on- screen. That is especially nasty when trying to read Greek or Hebrew transcribed into Latin characters. For day-to-day work it might be OK however. I didn't try printing yet. Just my 2 ยข ... Cheers, Eike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201104271011.29327.zp6...@gmx.net
Re: ttf-liberation over ttf-mscorefonts; was Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?
On Mi, 27 apr 11, 10:11:28, Eike Lantzsch wrote: Thank you for the hint. I tried Liberation sans instead of Arial. It is not the same. AFAIU it is not meant to be the same (it couldn't anyway, due to licensing issues), but with the same *metrics*. If I understand this right, it would mean that a document written with Arial would not be suddenly broken, because your replacement font has different sizes ;) Non ASCII fonts with diacritical signs do not render correctly on- screen. Do you mean characters? I'm guessing a bug report would be appreciated if you can reproduce the issue. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: ttf-liberation over ttf-mscorefonts; was Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?
On Wednesday 27 April 2011 11:56:30 Andrei Popescu wrote: On Mi, 27 apr 11, 10:11:28, Eike Lantzsch wrote: Thank you for the hint. I tried Liberation sans instead of Arial. It is not the same. AFAIU it is not meant to be the same (it couldn't anyway, due to licensing issues) Yep, sure, understood. , but with the same *metrics*. If I understand this right, it would mean that a document written with Arial would not be suddenly broken, because your replacement font has different sizes ;) There are many fonts which have problems here and there - nothing's perfect. I'd just chose whichever font renders best for the purpose. I think it is most important that the document format isn't broken by using a drop-in replacement font and Liberation sans fills this purpose nicely. I understand that if we don't start to use free fonts instead of non-free the free fonts won't get any better over time. Non ASCII fonts with diacritical signs do not render correctly on- screen. Do you mean characters? I'm guessing a bug report would be appreciated if you can reproduce the issue. Yes, non ASCII characters - sorry. I'll file a bug report as soon as I can dig deeper into this minor issue. (can means making time for it, testing printing as well and familiarize myself with the bug-reporting process.) I'm still not sure if the problem is due to the font or more due to the program in which the font is used, so I'll have to try different programs too (editors, browsers, libreoffice, a library program and some other programs under wine 1.3). . Regards, Andrei Thank you and kind regards Eike -- Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE Casilla de Correo 1519 1209 Asuncion / Paraguay Cell-Phone: +595-981-939317; +595-971-696909 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201104271402.10753.zp6...@gmx.net
Re: ttf-liberation over ttf-mscorefonts; was Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011, Eike Lantzsch wrote: Non ASCII fonts with diacritical signs do not render correctly on- screen. Do you mean characters? I'm guessing a bug report would be appreciated if you can reproduce the issue. Yes, non ASCII characters - sorry. ... I'll file a bug report as soon as I can dig deeper into this minor issue. (can means making time for it, testing printing as well and familiarize myself with the bug-reporting process.) Please check if it is not hinting-related. If it works well at a large font size (or large DPI), chances are bad hinting (or bugs in the hinting interpretor -- i.e. not a bug in the font itself) is to blame. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110427195017.gf7...@khazad-dum.debian.net
Re: ttf-liberation over ttf-mscorefonts; was Re: Why doesn't debian remove the proprietary software from it's servers?
On Wednesday 27 April 2011 15:50:17 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Wed, 27 Apr 2011, Eike Lantzsch wrote: Non ASCII fonts with diacritical signs do not render correctly on- screen. Do you mean characters? I'm guessing a bug report would be appreciated if you can reproduce the issue. Yes, non ASCII characters - sorry. ... I'll file a bug report as soon as I can dig deeper into this minor issue. (can means making time for it, testing printing as well and familiarize myself with the bug-reporting process.) Please check if it is not hinting-related. If it works well at a large font size (or large DPI), chances are bad hinting (or bugs in the hinting interpretor -- i.e. not a bug in the font itself) is to blame. OK, hint taken (pun intended) As far as I can say up to now, the characters show up nicely in Libreoffice with 10 and 12 point size. Testing with wine will take more time - not this week at least . Please be patient. Tnx a lot Eike -- Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE Casilla de Correo 1519 1209 Asuncion / Paraguay Cell-Phone: +595-981-939317; +595-971-696909 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201104272159.03297.zp6...@gmx.net
