Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:25:37PM +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: On 12/31/2013 12:08 PM, Long Wind wrote: I have just got a P4/2.9G computer it seems that my old 32bit(i386) software can't run on it it needs 64-bit software Shall I choose CD image from ia64? Thanks! Hi Long Wind, IA-64 architecture is for Intel Itanium processors. Pentium 4 processor is a desktop processor and it's 32-bit or 64-bit. The official name for 64-bit desktop processors is AMD64, but there are a lot of synonyms like x86_64, Intel EMT-64, x64, 64-bit PC, etc. If your processor is 32-bit then download i386 CD image, but if your processor is 64-bit then you can download amd64 CD image or the old i386 (32-bit) architecture. It's times like this that I really wish more people knew about the multi-arch (i386/amd64) CD image. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/ I assume there's a technical reason why there's not a multi-arch netinst image, though. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
On 1/7/14, Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: It's times like this that I really wish more people knew about the multi-arch (i386/amd64) CD image. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/ I assume there's a technical reason why there's not a multi-arch netinst image, though. Thanks for your suggestion! I've been busy solving the problem, no luck I am tired, very very tired I will try the CD in the future. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAB-gxZB_LFp=z11+ra9qypwh3-oq14t4da08ntzux5rxcs5...@mail.gmail.com
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
On 12/31/2013 12:08 PM, Long Wind wrote: I have just got a P4/2.9G computer it seems that my old 32bit(i386) software can't run on it it needs 64-bit software Shall I choose CD image from ia64? Thanks! Hi Long Wind, IA-64 architecture is for Intel Itanium processors. Pentium 4 processor is a desktop processor and it's 32-bit or 64-bit. The official name for 64-bit desktop processors is AMD64, but there are a lot of synonyms like x86_64, Intel EMT-64, x64, 64-bit PC, etc. If your processor is 32-bit then download i386 CD image, but if your processor is 64-bit then you can download amd64 CD image or the old i386 (32-bit) architecture. Best regards Georgi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52c29ba1.2050...@oles.biz
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
On Tue, 2013-12-31 at 05:08 -0500, Long Wind wrote: I have just got a P4/2.9G computer it seems that my old 32bit(i386) software can't run on it it needs 64-bit software Shall I choose CD image from ia64? 1. https://startpage.com Search for: debian for P4 Result: http://www.debian.org/ports/ 2. https://startpage.com/ Search for: P4 processor Result: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4 IOW you can use i386 and amd64. You can't use ia64. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1388485653.1058.22.camel@archlinux
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
I have run a squeeze i386 CD After selecting the first menu item Install the screen turn blank I have run a suse 9.3 installation CD it says I'm running 32-bit software on 64bit computer I have plugged hard disk with i386 wheezy the new computer can't run wheezy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAB-gxZCCa7Q79wZgHtY0ax_Vyg4pcB7kiP3+xNHe=9mzar7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
On Tue, 2013-12-31 at 05:40 -0500, Long Wind wrote: I have run a squeeze i386 CD After selecting the first menu item Install the screen turn blank I have run a suse 9.3 installation CD it says I'm running 32-bit software on 64bit computer I have plugged hard disk with i386 wheezy the new computer can't run wheezy On Tue, 2013-12-31 at 11:27 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: 2. https://startpage.com/ Search for: P4 processor Result: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4 IOW you can use i386 and amd64. You can't use ia64. Instruction set x86 (i386) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4 Test it yourself with a live CD: http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-5.6/slacko-5.6-4G-NON-PAE.iso http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-5.6/slacko-5.6-4G-NON-PAE.iso.md5.txt I didn't use this version, but the PAE version yesterday on my 64-bit machine. It has got newbie friendly tools that in addition aren't annoying for experienced users. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1388487708.1058.35.camel@archlinux
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
http://myonlineusb.wordpress.com/2011/06/08/what-is-the-difference-between-i386-i486-i586-i686-i786/ i786 - Intel Pentium 4 this includes everything lower, IOW i386 too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1388488129.1058.37.camel@archlinux
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 05:40:19 -0500 Long Wind longwind2...@gmail.com wrote: I have run a squeeze i386 CD After selecting the first menu item Install the screen turn blank I have run a suse 9.3 installation CD it says I'm running 32-bit software on 64bit computer I have plugged hard disk with i386 wheezy the new computer can't run wheezy That's very strange. I had used P4/3,0Ghz for 7 years, always using i386 OS/software, which only seemed natural to me, since it's a single-core processor. Never even realized it had x86_64 compatibility (as wiki says, it initially had x86 set of instructions, though later it was expanded by the 64-bit). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131231132948.0c7f1a16@moonpc
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
On Tue, 2013-12-31 at 13:29 +0200, Alex Moonshine wrote: On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 05:40:19 -0500 Long Wind longwind2...@gmail.com wrote: I have run a squeeze i386 CD After selecting the first menu item Install the screen turn blank There could be different reasons for this. I have run a suse 9.3 installation CD it says I'm running 32-bit software on 64bit computer That's true. It doesn't say it's impossible to do it, right? I have plugged hard disk with i386 wheezy the new computer can't run wheezy Other hardware, perhaps just a wrong graphics driver is used. That's very strange. [...] No, it's not strange, the issues might be related to some hardware issue, e.g. a wrong graphics driver. The OP can use a search engine and learn how to provide more info, so that the list is able to help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1388490195.1058.59.camel@archlinux
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
I have checked it again it's P4/2.93 (133x22.0) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAB-gxZAoh4j0iqCp=f4_duayce80eycyg2eprdoqe1da75q...@mail.gmail.com
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:43:15 +0100 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: That's very strange. [...] No, it's not strange, the issues might be related to some hardware issue, e.g. a wrong graphics driver. The OP can use a search engine and learn how to provide more info, so that the list is able to help. I just meant that I've installed a dozen or more i386 systems, including Squeeze, on my P4, and never got any messages that I'm running 32-bit software on 64-bit computer. And anyway, P4 is a x86 processor initially, with x86_64 compatibility added later (or am I wrong?). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131231135338.774e78a9@moonpc
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
the disk with wheezy also has memtest I run it, it finish very quickly ( about 1 second) the PC has 1G memory usually memtest take more than ten minutes On 12/31/13, Long Wind longwind2...@gmail.com wrote: I have checked it again it's P4/2.93 (133x22.0) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cab-gxzamyvrj6f8hba61qoh1sy2xo19j5z51nm8pe9_e8tc...@mail.gmail.com
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
On Tue, 2013-12-31 at 06:50 -0500, Long Wind wrote: I have checked it again it's P4/2.93 (133x22.0) And since Alex isn't mistaken, the Wiki isn't mistaken, the Debian port info isn't mistaken, nobody else is mistaken, the processor version isn't the cause for the issues you experienced. What does (133x22.0) mean? If you don't provide more information, we can't help you to solve the issue(s). Try the Puppy Linux CD. If it shouldn't work, at what point does it stop startup? What messages are displayed? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1388491429.1058.65.camel@archlinux
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
133x22.0 is about CPU freq it's shown during power on test screen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAB-gxZBszONG4D2np4ishOHUQBQg0eq=eb8yvlwwjsnhwq5...@mail.gmail.com
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
On Tue, 2013-12-31 at 06:58 -0500, Long Wind wrote: the disk with wheezy also has memtest I run it, it finish very quickly ( about 1 second) the PC has 1G memory usually memtest take more than ten minutes I don't understand. Memtest86+ never finishes, the user has to stop it. FWIW only use the original Memtest86+ ISOs. All Memtest86+ from Debian and Ubuntu I used in the last years didn't work on my machine. However. What are you doing? Helter-skelter hardware testing isn't troubleshooting. What does the grub entry look like, you use to boot your Wheezy? What graphics is installed and what graphics driver is used by your Wheezy? Etc. pp.? But lets start with grub and with the graphics. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1388492155.1058.73.camel@archlinux
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
On Tue, 2013-12-31 at 07:13 -0500, Long Wind wrote: 133x22.0 is about CPU freq it's shown during power on test screen On what test screen? Could you take a photo or screen shot, post it somewhere and send a link to the list? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1388492573.1058.75.camel@archlinux
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
133x22.0 133 is about motherboard freq, it times 22.0, you get CPU freq Thank you! The problem seem to be memory squeeze install CD complain that not enough memory to load specified image but this is quite impossible 1 G memory (512M x 2) is shown during power on test and it can run Windows XP On 12/31/13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-31 at 07:13 -0500, Long Wind wrote: 133x22.0 is about CPU freq it's shown during power on test screen On what test screen? Could you take a photo or screen shot, post it somewhere and send a link to the list? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1388492573.1058.75.camel@archlinux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cab-gxzdwucoyqnfj2ecos17ntt-af7rxho-vcxpurwgee0_...@mail.gmail.com
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
On Tue, 2013-12-31 at 07:54 -0500, Long Wind wrote: squeeze install CD complain that not enough memory to load specified image At least squeeze isn't nearly 10 years old as your Suse media is. However, in general please take a pencil and a piece of paper and note exactly what messages you get, or use a camera and take a photo, http://picpaste.com/ . Explicitly regarding to the above error. Did you use https://startpage.com/ or Google and search for not enough memory to load specified or similar keywords? If so, what information is provided about this issue, when people experienced the same, with 1 or more GiB RAM? If _you_ give us this information, we perhaps are able to help you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1388497729.1058.85.camel@archlinux
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
On Tuesday 31 December 2013 11:53:38 Alex Moonshine wrote: On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:43:15 +0100 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: That's very strange. [...] No, it's not strange, the issues might be related to some hardware issue, e.g. a wrong graphics driver. The OP can use a search engine and learn how to provide more info, so that the list is able to help. I just meant that I've installed a dozen or more i386 systems, including Squeeze, on my P4, and never got any messages that I'm running 32-bit software on 64-bit computer. And anyway, P4 is a x86 processor initially, with x86_64 compatibility added later (or am I wrong?). Yes, I have frequently installed 32 bit software, including kernel, on a box with a 64 bit processor, without any problems or protests from the installer. Some people also seem, or seemed, to use a 32 bit userland with a 64 bit kernel. The other way round, of course does not work. 64 bit software will not run with a 32 bit processor. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201312311443.36308.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
not enough memory to load specified image is the exact words displayed on screen I google it, someone suggest change BIOS option: Chipset Features Setup - Memory Hole but I can't find it on my computer maybe I shall update BIOS? It's too late and I have to go to bed Thank you! (It seems I am very unlucky.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAB-gxZDt2TzavhoUgcxJ8KKBmqGD9yVqcEHyqEKxvRX5=to...@mail.gmail.com
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
On Tuesday 31 December 2013 16:24:16 Long Wind wrote: not enough memory to load specified image is the exact words displayed on screen Which CD or DVD were you using? If you were trying to use the Live DVD for your installation, that might explain it, since it uses a lot of memory. Try using the amd64 netinst (net install) CD. It uses very little memory, so you have certainly got enough. http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/ Top of page: I don't think that you are particularly unlucky. I just wonder whether sometimes you don't look before you leap. HTH Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201312312235.12905.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: which image shall I use for P4/2.9G
On Tuesday 31 December 2013 22:35:12 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 31 December 2013 16:24:16 Long Wind wrote: not enough memory to load specified image is the exact words displayed on screen Which CD or DVD were you using? If you were trying to use the Live DVD for your installation, that might explain it, since it uses a lot of memory. Try using the amd64 netinst (net install) CD. It uses very little memory, so you have certainly got enough. http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/ Top of page: You might almost do better to choose advanced install and choose a lighter desktop than GNOME 3. I don't use GNOME myself, but from the posts I have read 1G may not really be enough memory to get good performance with a RAM guzzling heavy-weight. XFCE and LXDE are both available at install time. KDE 4 is also available, but is also a heavy-weight. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201312312242.27532.lisi.re...@gmail.com
