Re: why .deb?

1999-01-07 Thread Martin Bialasinski 

>> "DBT" == David B Teague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

DBT> At any rate, we agree, "Debian Rules!"

[ warning, the following joke maybe be uncomprehensible for
non-developers. Sorry. ]

Of cause. Especially debian/rules binary :-)

Haha. Man, this was a lame one.

Ciao,
Martin

Re: why .deb?

1999-01-07 Thread David B. Teague 
On 6 Jan 1999, Martin Bialasinski wrote:

> 
> >> "MH" == Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>[snip] 
> Bruce once suggested a move to rpm, but the developers believe dpkg is 
> the better system.

You may be right; however, if my memory serves, Bruce suggested that
either .deb and .rpm be merged or that Red Hat adopt the .deb packaging
system outright, rather than the reverse. 

At any rate, we agree, "Debian Rules!"

--David Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian GNU/Linux: Because I want to be there TODAY. (stolen .sig)

Re: why .deb?

1999-01-06 Thread Martin Bialasinski 

>> "MH" == Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

MH> I don't know the historical reasons, but why does Debian have its
MH> .deb format? Does .deb have major advantages over .rpm?

dpkg was developed before rpm, in fact before .deb, there the
distributions used .tar.gz files. Debian packages was the first package 
format that had meta-information. 

Bruce once suggested a move to rpm, but the developers believe dpkg is 
the better system.

See http://kitenet.net/%7Ejoey/pkg-comp.html for a comparision.

Also rpm doesn't really give you an advantage. You will run int
trouble if you believe you can mix Suse, Redhat and Caldera
packages. So you are still mostly stuck with the packages the
distribution offers. And Debian offers more of them than any other
distribution. 

You can also use alien to convert between the package formats.

Ciao,
Martin

Re: why .deb?

1999-01-06 Thread Joey Hess 
Marc Haber wrote:
> I don't know the historical reasons, but why does Debian have its .deb
> format? Does .deb have major advantages over .rpm?

Yes. See http://kitenet.net/~joey/pkgcomp.html for a comparison of
the two package formats (not the programs like rpm and dpkg that use them,
just the formats).

-- 
see shy jo

Re: why .deb?

1999-01-06 Thread Peter Berlau 
Hi Marc,

I think there is a .deb file while teh debian
package format was before the
Redhead .rpm was realized.
Therefore the Question is:
Why Redhead do a own package format ?
isn't it
Peter
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Von: Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
An: debian-user@lists.debian.org 
Datum: Mittwoch, 6. Januar 1999 21:21
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>Hi!
>
>Last night, I had an interesting conversation with my ISP about the
>old distribution war. He brought me to Linux a year ago with SuSE and
>I have converted to Debian in fall 1998 while he is still with SuSE.
>
>He said one of the major reasons why he still uses SuSE is the
>"strange packet format" that Debian uses.
>
>I don't know the historical reasons, but why does Debian have its .deb
>format? Does .deb have major advantages over .rpm?
>
>Is there a FAQ that explains these historical decisions Debian has
>gone though?
>
>Any hints will be appreciated.
>
>Greetings
>Marc
>
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Re: why .deb?

1999-01-06 Thread Steve Lamb 
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On Wed, 06 Jan 1999 20:19:24 GMT, Marc Haber wrote:

>I don't know the historical reasons, but why does Debian have its .deb
>format? Does .deb have major advantages over .rpm?

>Is there a FAQ that explains these historical decisions Debian has
>gone though?

A good look through the mailing list archives for debian-user as well as
debian-devel should yeild the answers you're looking for.  I remember being
in a rather heated discussion about the differences, advantages and
disadvantages of deb, rpm and spf(?).  Why you can pretty much safely ignore
my rantings on the topic, several people did reply to me quite coherantly and
explained the differences quite nicely.

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