Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?
Please do not CC me, I am on the list. See the mailing list code of conduct: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:29:36AM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: yes, you pointed out that this might happen if my boot partition was under the control of LVM, which i pointed out in my initial post it was not. so we still don't have a solution here. Ah yes I missed primary partition in your original post. Good luck with your problem. -- Jon Dowland signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?
Andrew Reid wrote: On Sunday 13 September 2009 18:58:17 Robert P. J. Day wrote: ok, so let's move beyond anecdotes and get into conjecture -- does anyone know the debian installer well enough to know *what* circumstances will cause said installer to refuse to offer grub as a bootloader, and only present lilo? A potentially useful experiment is to try installing grub manually on the partition, and see if it works, or if it doesn't, what errors it reports. I never could find out how you can install packages from the installer - they are in some funny format. Could post the steps for the record (or may be a link) The installer may be suppressing error reports. I believe you can view the installation log during the install, from an alt console, but I'm not 100% sure it's possible, and I certainly don't remember how. Well, it's correct ALT+F[234] could help, but I don't think in this particular case, because it is just deciding to not offer grub. I don't know, who is using installer CD/DVD? regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:10:36AM +0200, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: read the hole thread please, he is saying only the installer does not offers grub if ext3 formated. I have read the whole thread. If you carefully study the quoted section of my mail, you will see that I answered exactly the question that Robert posed. -- Jon Dowland signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Jon Dowland wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:10:36AM +0200, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: read the hole thread please, he is saying only the installer does not offers grub if ext3 formated. I have read the whole thread. If you carefully study the quoted section of my mail, you will see that I answered exactly the question that Robert posed. yes, you pointed out that this might happen if my boot partition was under the control of LVM, which i pointed out in my initial post it was not. so we still don't have a solution here. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?
Jon Dowland wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:10:36AM +0200, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: read the hole thread please, he is saying only the installer does not offers grub if ext3 formated. I have read the whole thread. If you carefully study the quoted section of my mail, you will see that I answered exactly the question that Robert posed. Sorry, I didn't understand it this way. From his post I don't see anything like MSDOS part table. May be I'm the one that's missing something. I'll leave you try helping him. regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 06:58:17PM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: does anyone know the debian installer well enough to know *what* circumstances will cause said installer to refuse to offer grub as a bootloader, and only present lilo? If the /boot partition is underneath LVM is one. Is your /boot partition something that resides in the DOS partition table? -- Jon Dowland signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009, Jon Dowland wrote: On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 06:58:17PM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: does anyone know the debian installer well enough to know *what* circumstances will cause said installer to refuse to offer grub as a bootloader, and only present lilo? If the /boot partition is underneath LVM is one. Is your /boot partition something that resides in the DOS partition table? no, the /boot partition is a primary partition (/dev/sda1). everything else lives in LVM. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?
Robert P. J. Day wrote: Jon read the hole thread please, he is saying only the installer does not offers grub if ext3 formated. I should admit that I haven't use the cd installer since I have a bootable usb stick, or live cd # debootstrap and smile I was thinking it could be the size but it's not. His boot partition is big enough to install tiny debian on it, so ext3 should be absolutely ok. regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?
On Sunday 13 September 2009 18:58:17 Robert P. J. Day wrote: ok, so let's move beyond anecdotes and get into conjecture -- does anyone know the debian installer well enough to know *what* circumstances will cause said installer to refuse to offer grub as a bootloader, and only present lilo? A potentially useful experiment is to try installing grub manually on the partition, and see if it works, or if it doesn't, what errors it reports. The installer may be suppressing error reports. I believe you can view the installation log during the install, from an alt console, but I'm not 100% sure it's possible, and I certainly don't remember how. -- A. -- Andrew Reid / rei...@bellatlantic.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?
Robert P. J. Day wrote: possibly related to an earlier post that discussed grub but, when installing lenny, if i choose to create a separate, primary partition for /boot (a long-time habit), if i select ext3 for that partition, i am not offered the chance to use grub as a bootloader. as best i can tell, that /boot partition must be both: 1) set as bootable, and 2) ext2 format otherwise, i'm stuck with lilo. is this true? is there a reason the debian install can't handle grub and a bootable ext3 partition? i've tested this a number of times and it seems that ext3 is the deciding factor. I can't give you the answer, but I can confirm it's possible in sid, at least by devious means: Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 61 489951 83 Linux /dev/sda2 62 38913 312078690 8e Linux LVM # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # file system mount point type options dump pass proc/proc procdefaults0 0 /dev/mapper/first-root / reiserfs defaults0 1 /dev/mapper/first-backup /backupreiserfs defaults0 2 /dev/sda1 /boot ext3defaults0 2 /dev/mapper/first-home /home reiserfs defaults0 2 /dev/mapper/first-spare /mnt/spare reiserfs defaults0 2 /dev/mapper/first-tmp /tmpreiserfs defaults0 2 /dev/mapper/first-usr /usrreiserfs defaults0 2 /dev/mapper/first-var /varreiserfs defaults0 2 /dev/mapper/first-swap noneswapsw 0 0 This installation is on a brand-new drive and was a fresh Lenny netinstall followed by a switch of repositories to sid and a dpkg --get-selections from a file made on my previous machine. I can't swear that grub was installed at the netinstall stage, though I thought it was. It's certainly there now, along with its grub2 hitch-hiker, and there's no sign of lilo having existed on this machine. I'm not about to do the upgrade-from-grub-legacy, as I did that a few days ago, spent most of a day trying to fix the resulting unbootable machine and ended up reinstalling the OS. I could find no other means, using various boot/rescue media followed by chroot, of reinstalling either grub or grub2. At least with lilo, you can fix it in ten minutes if it breaks. And most of that is time spent looking for the boot floppy. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?
j...@jretrading.com wrote: 489951 how big is your boot partition? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?
what would be the logic behind using a journaling FS on /boot? -- jvaart -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?
On Sunday 13 September 2009 03:33:50 Robert P. J. Day wrote: possibly related to an earlier post that discussed grub but, when installing lenny, if i choose to create a separate, primary partition for /boot (a long-time habit), if i select ext3 for that partition, i am not offered the chance to use grub as a bootloader. as best i can tell, that /boot partition must be both: I conjecture that you are doing Something Else wrong. I have many machines that have ext3 /boot partitions, including several that were set up initially as lenny machines. I also have this habit, and I generally intend to use ext2, but sometimes I forget to switch it from the installer's filesystem default, which is ext3. -- A. -- Andrew Reid / rei...@bellatlantic.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: j...@jretrading.com wrote: 489951 how big is your boot partition? tiny -- 512M. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009, Andrew Reid wrote: On Sunday 13 September 2009 03:33:50 Robert P. J. Day wrote: possibly related to an earlier post that discussed grub but, when installing lenny, if i choose to create a separate, primary partition for /boot (a long-time habit), if i select ext3 for that partition, i am not offered the chance to use grub as a bootloader. as best i can tell, that /boot partition must be both: I conjecture that you are doing Something Else wrong. I have many machines that have ext3 /boot partitions, including several that were set up initially as lenny machines. I also have this habit, and I generally intend to use ext2, but sometimes I forget to switch it from the installer's filesystem default, which is ext3. ok, so let's move beyond anecdotes and get into conjecture -- does anyone know the debian installer well enough to know *what* circumstances will cause said installer to refuse to offer grub as a bootloader, and only present lilo? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
