Re: wordpress (was Re: FW: call for a vote -- should debian-user mailing list replies go to author or to list?)

2005-08-28 Thread Mark Crean
On Sun, 2005-08-28 at 17:37 +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
 On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 07:15:25PM -0700, Andy Streich wrote:
  
  Opensource blog software is pretty good these days and simple to set up (at 
 
 Argh wordpress 
 
 1) the WP release model is incompatible with debian's security release
policy, in much the same way mozilla is: http://bugs.debian.org/275814
 2) http://blog.php-security.org/archives/7-WordPress-update.html,
specifically update 2.
 
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How about Drupal? It's available as a standard-issue deb though  more
recent versions are on the Drupal site. Drupal is a cms rather than pure
blogging software but according to their write-ups plugins can be used
to achieve this.

I suspect an important reason for the popularity of web boards is that
they provide a greater sense of community than a mailing list and
become, for some, a place to hang out. At present, though, I don't think
anyone's really cracked the problem with web boards, namely that mailing
lists are fast, simple and don't require a gui to use even though they
are less flexible than the boards in some respects. In addition, web
boards require quite a lot of oversight and maintenance, in my
experience, not to mention server resources. So someone would have to do
a lot of work.

:)

Fish


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Re: wordpress (was Re: FW: call for a vote -- should debian-user mailing list replies go to author or to list?)

2005-08-28 Thread Andy Streich
On Sunday 28 August 2005 04:18 pm, Mark Crean wrote:
 I suspect an important reason for the popularity of web boards is that
 they provide a greater sense of community than a mailing list and
 become, for some, a place to hang out. At present, though, I don't think
 anyone's really cracked the problem with web boards, namely that mailing
 lists are fast, simple and don't require a gui to use even though they
 are less flexible than the boards in some respects. 

Agree. Hence the suggestion entailed a blog and the existing email list as two 
views on exactly the same data.

 In addition, web 
 boards require quite a lot of oversight and maintenance, in my
 experience, not to mention server resources. So someone would have to do
 a lot of work.

To me that's the real problem.  

Frankly I have no hope for anything like this being implemented in the near 
future, but still want to advocate for it.  The mailing list is a tremendous 
resource.  For people in remote locations (like me) it's a necessary lifeline 
for using the Debain distro.  And if it is necessary to say, I'm not 
disparraging the mailing list.

Instead I have these dreams sometimes, probably inspired by the thought that 
the 100 or so emails I get on this list each day that contain lots of really 
useful information, and every single user of the list is likely working on a 
computer that individually has more power than all the computers I touched as 
an undergrad combined.  GNU/Linux is a wonderful collection of complex 
software and the Debian distro is magical.  Yet the one thing hasn't changed 
much in 30 years and that's the production of documentation and support 
information.  That sort of work rarely if ever gets the cudos that writting a 
few dozen lines of clever system code does even though it is just as 
(arguably more) critical -- especially at this stage in the GNU/Linux life 
cycle.

We all dream.

Andy


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