Re: xdm/wdm/gdm/kdm/login.app etc.
On Thu Apr 18, 2002 at 11:28:42PM -0400, Noah Meyerhans wrote: On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 05:58:59PM -0700, Charles Baker wrote: I'm setting up a general use box for my family. It would be easier on all if there was a graphical login. I'm wondering which of these display managers to choose? Does anyone know of a comparison? We'll be using WindowMaker and Xfce as our primary windowmanagers. I'm not trying to start a religious war, just need info. Install them all, then determine which one you think looks best. Personally, I like wdm. Xdm doesn't allow users to choose their X environment when they log in, which I don't like. Otherwise, they're all about the same. If you've tried any other distros, chances are you've already experienced one or more. For example, Mandrake's default is to install kdm and RedHat's is gdm, the one ximian installs is of course gdm. I happen to like gdm, because you can add new entries to the drop-down list of desktop managers so easy, by writing a script similar to an .xinitrc and placing it in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions. Or yours might go in /etc/gdm/Sessions. Anyway, in the newer versions you can also use the GUI configurator to change almost every aspect of the login from right there, before logging in! I believe the menu item is called 'System' -CraigW -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xdm/wdm/gdm/kdm/login.app etc.
On Friday 19 April 12:29, craigw wrote: snip If you've tried any other distros, chances are you've already experienced one or more. For example, Mandrake's default is to install kdm and RedHat's is gdm, the one ximian installs is of course gdm. I happen to like gdm, because you can add new entries to the drop-down list of desktop managers so easy, by writing a script similar to an .xinitrc and placing it in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions. Or yours might go in /etc/gdm/Sessions. Anyway, in the newer versions you can also use the GUI configurator to change almost every aspect of the login from right there, before logging in! I believe the menu item is called 'System' -CraigW I like and use gdm (kdm just won't work for some reason) but some things about kdm I miss. 1. Auto entry of selected user 2. Focus on password field 3. numlock on (how the heck do you do this for the gdm login screen ?) all the best, Robert_L -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xdm/wdm/gdm/kdm/login.app etc.
On Fri Apr 19, 2002 at 02:23:49AM -0400, Robert_L wrote: On Friday 19 April 12:29, craigw wrote: snip If you've tried any other distros, chances are you've already experienced one or more. For example, Mandrake's default is to install kdm and RedHat's is gdm, the one ximian installs is of course gdm. I happen to like gdm, because you can add new entries to the drop-down list of desktop managers so easy, by writing a script similar to an .xinitrc and placing it in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions. Or yours might go in /etc/gdm/Sessions. Anyway, in the newer versions you can also use the GUI configurator to change almost every aspect of the login from right there, before logging in! I believe the menu item is called 'System' -CraigW I like and use gdm (kdm just won't work for some reason) but some things about kdm I miss. 1. Auto entry of selected user yes, that's a nice convenience. With gdm you can (if it's a one-user computer, and you really want to... ) have it log you in automatically. 2. Focus on password field I thought that was the default. If you're having to click before you can start typing, I don't know how to fix it. 3. numlock on (how the heck do you do this for the gdm login screen ?) don't know. I've never turned numlock on. In fact, I'm still using the keyboard that came with my 486 and if it ever dies I'll probably buy a happy hacker keyboard. Yeah, every time I buy a new box, the keyboard goes straight in the closet on top of the pile of other fancy keyboards with all their fancy window keys internet buttons whatnots. I think maybe you can turn numlock on in your XF86Config you can also put all this in ~/.Xmodmap: keycode 90 = KP_0 KP_Insert keycode 87 = KP_1 KP_End keycode 88 = KP_2 KP_Down keycode 89 = KP_3 KP_Next keycode 83 = KP_4 KP_Left keycode 84 = KP_5 KP_Begin keycode 85 = KP_6 KP_Right keycode 79 = KP_7 KP_Home keycode 80 = KP_8 KP_Up keycode 81 = KP_9 KP_Prior keycode 91 = KP_Decimal KP_Delete (you may need to add the following to ~/.xinitrc or some other place to make sure it gets used): usermodmap=$HOME/.Xmodmap Or there is also a program called numlockX: http://dforce.sh.cvut.cz/~seli/en/numlockx/ -CraigW -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xdm/wdm/gdm/kdm/login.app etc.
On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 05:58:59PM -0700, Charles Baker wrote: I'm setting up a general use box for my family. It would be easier on all if there was a graphical login. I'm wondering which of these display managers to choose? Does anyone know of a comparison? We'll be using WindowMaker and Xfce as our primary windowmanagers. I'm not trying to start a religious war, just need info. wdm is probably the most WindowMaker-like and it works great by me. Also, since Debian's default run level is 2, is there any compelling reason to make the graphical login be part of a different run level? Debian leaves the runlevels for you to use however you prefer. If you want to use them to control graphical login, go for it. If you prefer to just ignore them (like most of us), that's cool too. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xdm/wdm/gdm/kdm/login.app etc.
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 02:23:49AM -0400, Robert_L wrote: 3. numlock on (how the heck do you do this for the gdm login screen ?) Ask google about numlockx. Simple little app that will turn numlock on and off for you in X; just compile it, throw it in /usr/local/bin, and add /usr/local/bin/numlockx on to one of your X startup files. (I've got it in /etc/X11/wdm/Xsetup_0, but YMWV if you're not using wdm.) -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xdm/wdm/gdm/kdm/login.app etc.
On Friday 19 April 09:47, Dave Sherohman wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 02:23:49AM -0400, Robert_L wrote: 3. numlock on (how the heck do you do this for the gdm login screen ?) Ask google about numlockx. Simple little app that will turn numlock on and off for you in X; just compile it, throw it in /usr/local/bin, and add /usr/local/bin/numlockx on to one of your X startup files. (I've got it in /etc/X11/wdm/Xsetup_0, but YMWV if you're not using wdm.) Actually, I'm using numlockx and it works everywhere BUT gdm. To try to get it working a while back I tried adding /usr/local/bin/numlockx to every startup script I could find in /etc/gdm /etc/xdm /etc/X11/ (and else where I forget where) with no luck. all the best, Robert_L -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xdm/wdm/gdm/kdm/login.app etc.
On Friday 19 April 04:01, craigw wrote: On Fri Apr 19, 2002 at 02:23:49AM -0400, Robert_L wrote: snip I like and use gdm (kdm just won't work for some reason) but some things about kdm I miss. 1. Auto entry of selected user yes, that's a nice convenience. With gdm you can (if it's a one-user computer, and you really want to... ) have it log you in automatically. Yep, finally settled for that with a delay. Since its a one man machine in a lcoked apartment I'm not worried about security with respect to this. 2. Focus on password field I thought that was the default. If you're having to click before you can start typing, I don't know how to fix it. 3. numlock on (how the heck do you do this for the gdm login screen ?) don't know. I've never turned numlock on. In fact, I'm still using the keyboard that came with my 486 and if it ever dies I'll probably buy a happy hacker keyboard. Yeah, every time I buy a new box, the keyboard goes straight in the closet on top of the pile of other fancy keyboards with all their fancy window keys internet buttons whatnots. You must be a meticulous guy. I go through a new one every 6 months. I think maybe you can turn numlock on in your XF86Config you can also put all this in ~/.Xmodmap: keycode 90 = KP_0 KP_Insert keycode 87 = KP_1 KP_End keycode 88 = KP_2 KP_Down keycode 89 = KP_3 KP_Next keycode 83 = KP_4 KP_Left keycode 84 = KP_5 KP_Begin keycode 85 = KP_6 KP_Right keycode 79 = KP_7 KP_Home keycode 80 = KP_8 KP_Up keycode 81 = KP_9 KP_Prior keycode 91 = KP_Decimal KP_Delete (you may need to add the following to ~/.xinitrc or some other place to make sure it gets used): usermodmap=$HOME/.Xmodmap But surely this gets run AFTER you login from gdm ? Numlock is working fine from tty's and KDE. Or there is also a program called numlockX: http://dforce.sh.cvut.cz/~seli/en/numlockx/ -CraigW Yes, I'm using it. But I've tried adding the numlockx command to many startup scripts below /etc/ without success (as I mentioned above- it works fine everywhere else. Not a big deal, but it is driving me crazy trying to figure out where to put it. all the best, Robert_L -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xdm/wdm/gdm/kdm/login.app etc.
On Fri Apr 19, 2002 at 10:41:34AM -0400, Robert_L wrote: snip you can also put all this in ~/.Xmodmap: keycode 90 = KP_0 KP_Insert keycode 87 = KP_1 KP_End keycode 88 = KP_2 KP_Down keycode 89 = KP_3 KP_Next keycode 83 = KP_4 KP_Left keycode 84 = KP_5 KP_Begin keycode 85 = KP_6 KP_Right keycode 79 = KP_7 KP_Home keycode 80 = KP_8 KP_Up keycode 81 = KP_9 KP_Prior keycode 91 = KP_Decimal KP_Delete (you may need to add the following to ~/.xinitrc or some other place to make sure it gets used): usermodmap=$HOME/.Xmodmap But surely this gets run AFTER you login from gdm ? Numlock is working fine from tty's and KDE. Yes, when you start X. You could also put it in /etc/X11/Xmodmap Keep in mind that I don't use it, and I've also seen it written slighly different. Perhaps that depends on which version of X. Do a google search for xmodmap numlock keycode xfree86, etc, and you'll find others. KDE is probably starting from a rather long script which sources /etc/X11/xmodmap,Xresources, etc, and maybe Gnome is not. Or there is also a program called numlockX: http://dforce.sh.cvut.cz/~seli/en/numlockx/ -CraigW Yes, I'm using it. But I've tried adding the numlockx command to many startup scripts below /etc/ without success (as I mentioned above- it works fine everywhere else. Not a big deal, but it is driving me crazy trying to figure out where to put it. whichever window managers aren't behaving as expected, you should be able to start numlockx by putting it in their scripts in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions. Or on some systems that's /etc/gdm/Sessions. CraigW -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xdm/wdm/gdm/kdm/login.app etc.
On Friday 19 April 12:18, craigw wrote: On Fri Apr 19, 2002 at 10:41:34AM -0400, Robert_L wrote: snip Yes, when you start X. You could also put it in /etc/X11/Xmodmap Keep in mind that I don't use it, and I've also seen it written slighly different. Perhaps that depends on which version of X. Do a google search for xmodmap numlock keycode xfree86, etc, and you'll find others. Doesn't work for the gdm login screen. whichever window managers aren't behaving as expected, you should be able to start numlockx by putting it in their scripts in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions. Or on some systems that's /etc/gdm/Sessions. CraigW Been there, done that. Put in in practically every startup script I could find, including xdm's (and of course those in /etc/gdm) The mumlock trick doesn't work as I already have numlock while in my desktop env. (KDE) and in tty's. None of these worked: /etc/init.d/numlockx:/usr/local/bin/numlockx /etc/rc1.d/S99numlockx:/usr/local/bin/numlockx /etc/rc2.d/S19numlockx:/usr/local/bin/numlockx /etc/rc3.d/S19numlockx:/usr/local/bin/numlockx /etc/rc4.d/S16numlockx:/usr/local/bin/numlockx /etc/rc5.d/S19numlockx:/usr/local/bin/numlockx /etc/rc6.d/S65numlockx:/usr/local/bin/numlockx /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc:/usr/local/bin/numlockx on /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc:exec /usr/local/bin/numlockx /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup:exec /usr/local/bin/numlockx /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99xfree86-common_start:/usr/local/bin/numlockx /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/Xsession:/usr/local/bin/numlockx /etc/X11/gdm/Init/Default:exec /usr/local/bin/numlockx /etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/Default:/usr/local/bin/numlockx /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default:/usr/local/bin.numlockx Is there anyone out there who has it working while at gdm login? all the best, Robert_L -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xdm/wdm/gdm/kdm/login.app etc.
On 19-Apr-2002 Charles Baker wrote: I'm setting up a general use box for my family. It would be easier on all if there was a graphical login. I'm wondering which of these display managers to choose? Does anyone know of a comparison? We'll be using WindowMaker and Xfce as our primary windowmanagers. I'm not trying to start a religious war, just need info. doesn't really matter which you choose. xdm is nice and simple - type your name, type your password, hit enter. Also, since Debian's default run level is 2, is there any compelling reason to make the graphical login be part of a different run level? beyond that all of Debian's run levels are exactly the same (2,3,4,5). If you feel the need to set this up differently go ahead. But there is no practical gain. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xdm/wdm/gdm/kdm/login.app etc.
On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 05:58:59PM -0700, Charles Baker wrote: I'm setting up a general use box for my family. It would be easier on all if there was a graphical login. I'm wondering which of these display managers to choose? Does anyone know of a comparison? We'll be using WindowMaker and Xfce as our primary windowmanagers. I'm not trying to start a religious war, just need info. Install them all, then determine which one you think looks best. Personally, I like wdm. Xdm doesn't allow users to choose their X environment when they log in, which I don't like. Otherwise, they're all about the same. noah -- ___ | Web: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/ | PGP Public Key: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/mail.html pgpgtM3V7dj4J.pgp Description: PGP signature
