Re: xorg upgrade in Sid causes jerky display
On 12 Apr 2009, Sven Hoexter wrote: > On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 09:29:25AM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote: > > Hi, > > > I'd revert if I could but I don't think it's possible. > > It's possible but requires some 'force'. ;) > > Warning: You shouldn't do this within a running X instance. > > a) Remove all xserver-xorg packages. > b) Download x11-common 7.3+18 from your mirror of choice and > dpkg -i --force-all it into the system. > c) Switch your sources.list to testing for the moment. > d) Install the xserver-xorg packages you removed with a) again. > e) Maybe set the xserver-xorg-core and xserver-xorg-video package to > hold if it works. > > No guarantee though. > > Sven > -- Many thanks for this. I tried yesterday but omitted step b, so it didn't work. If I can get my courage up perhaps I'll try again. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - a...@acampbell.org.uk Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, and sceptical articles) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: xorg upgrade in Sid causes jerky display
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 09:29:25AM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote: Hi, > I'd revert if I could but I don't think it's possible. It's possible but requires some 'force'. ;) Warning: You shouldn't do this within a running X instance. a) Remove all xserver-xorg packages. b) Download x11-common 7.3+18 from your mirror of choice and dpkg -i --force-all it into the system. c) Switch your sources.list to testing for the moment. d) Install the xserver-xorg packages you removed with a) again. e) Maybe set the xserver-xorg-core and xserver-xorg-video package to hold if it works. No guarantee though. Sven -- forevermore -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: xorg upgrade in Sid causes jerky display
On 12 Apr 2009, Anthony Campbell wrote: > On 12 Apr 2009, Anthony Campbell wrote: > > Thanks to you and Andrei for suggestions. I have now got > > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace working again. But disabling dri (and glx, also > > needed) didn't help with the display on full screen. > > > > Actually, ctrl-alt-backspace has stopped working again! No idea why; > DontZap False is shown correctly in Xorg.log.0. I also can't use the alt > keys as shortcuts in Firefox, though they do work in other > circumstances. There are odd things going on with X since the upgrade. > I'd revert if I could but I don't think it's possible. > > Anthony Apologies for all this following up to my own posts, but I found what I'd done: an xmodmap command I'd inserted to make Alt_R the same as Alt_L was blocking ctrl-alt-del. Not sure why - I'll have to work on it. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - a...@acampbell.org.uk Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, and sceptical articles) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: xorg upgrade in Sid causes jerky display
On 12 Apr 2009, Anthony Campbell wrote: > Thanks to you and Andrei for suggestions. I have now got > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace working again. But disabling dri (and glx, also > needed) didn't help with the display on full screen. > Actually, ctrl-alt-backspace has stopped working again! No idea why; DontZap False is shown correctly in Xorg.log.0. I also can't use the alt keys as shortcuts in Firefox, though they do work in other circumstances. There are odd things going on with X since the upgrade. I'd revert if I could but I don't think it's possible. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - a...@acampbell.org.uk Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, and sceptical articles) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: xorg upgrade in Sid causes jerky display
On 11 Apr 2009, Kelly Clowers wrote: > On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 01:03, Anthony Campbell wrote: > > On 10 Apr 2009, Kelly Clowers wrote: > >> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 14:21, Anthony Campbell > >> wrote: > >> > After today's upgrade of a lot of xorg stuff in Sid my full-screen > >> > display of TV is jerky, as is Googlearth. > >> > > >> > This is on a Thinkpad Z61M. I was using the radeonhd driver previously; > >> > I now have the upgraded radeon driver since radeonhd was removed. I > >> > don't know what to report a bug report for - the radeon driver or > >> > xserver-xorg. Anyone else seeing this? > >> > >> I see RadeonHD in my sid repos, but if you are using radeon now > >> I guess you might as well report it in that driver. But before you do > >> that, have you tried some of the various tweaks? I don't know which > >> ones are currently relevant (I am on Intel now), but there used to be > >> lots, from specifying exa or xaa to things like nooffscreenpixmaps. > > > > Yes, radeonhd is back now but using it doesn't help. I tried various > > options without improvement. I notice that DRI is enabled and I thought > > that might be the problem, but for some reason it is impossible to turn > > it off - Option "DRI" "false" does nothing. There are also some odd > > keyboard effects now - I can no longer stop X with Ctrl-Alt-Del. > > That is a change that Ubuntu convinced upstream to do, to get it back: > > Section "ServerFlags" > Option "DontZap" "false" > EndSection > > I don't know about the rest, except that disabling dri will almost > certainly make things slower. It sounds like a regression that > affects both drivers... I guess file a bug against one of the drivers > or against xserver, they can always reassign it if they need to. Or > ask on the xorg mailing list. > Thanks to you and Andrei for suggestions. I have now got Ctrl-Alt-Backspace working again. But disabling dri (and glx, also needed) didn't help with the display on full screen. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - a...@acampbell.org.uk Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, and sceptical articles) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: xorg upgrade in Sid causes jerky display
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 01:03, Anthony Campbell wrote: > On 10 Apr 2009, Kelly Clowers wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 14:21, Anthony Campbell >> wrote: >> > After today's upgrade of a lot of xorg stuff in Sid my full-screen >> > display of TV is jerky, as is Googlearth. >> > >> > This is on a Thinkpad Z61M. I was using the radeonhd driver previously; >> > I now have the upgraded radeon driver since radeonhd was removed. I >> > don't know what to report a bug report for - the radeon driver or >> > xserver-xorg. Anyone else seeing this? >> >> I see RadeonHD in my sid repos, but if you are using radeon now >> I guess you might as well report it in that driver. But before you do >> that, have you tried some of the various tweaks? I don't know which >> ones are currently relevant (I am on Intel now), but there used to be >> lots, from specifying exa or xaa to things like nooffscreenpixmaps. > > Yes, radeonhd is back now but using it doesn't help. I tried various > options without improvement. I notice that DRI is enabled and I thought > that might be the problem, but for some reason it is impossible to turn > it off - Option "DRI" "false" does nothing. There are also some odd > keyboard effects now - I can no longer stop X with Ctrl-Alt-Del. That is a change that Ubuntu convinced upstream to do, to get it back: Section "ServerFlags" Option "DontZap" "false" EndSection I don't know about the rest, except that disabling dri will almost certainly make things slower. It sounds like a regression that affects both drivers... I guess file a bug against one of the drivers or against xserver, they can always reassign it if they need to. Or ask on the xorg mailing list. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: xorg upgrade in Sid causes jerky display
On Sat,11.Apr.09, 09:03:59, Anthony Campbell wrote: > Yes, radeonhd is back now but using it doesn't help. I tried various > options without improvement. I notice that DRI is enabled and I thought > that might be the problem, but for some reason it is impossible to turn > it off - Option "DRI" "false" does nothing. There are also some odd Hope this helps: ,[ xserver-xorg-core/NEWS.Debian.gz ] | * This server update includes a patch to enable proper module defaults in | the server. A default set of modules will be loaded unless you | specifically specify that they don't load. You may do this in the module | section of your xorg.conf using the "Disable" instruction. Note that | this will only override the default, not an explicit "Load". ` Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: xorg upgrade in Sid causes jerky display
On 10 Apr 2009, Kelly Clowers wrote: > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 14:21, Anthony Campbell wrote: > > After today's upgrade of a lot of xorg stuff in Sid my full-screen > > display of TV is jerky, as is Googlearth. > > > > This is on a Thinkpad Z61M. I was using the radeonhd driver previously; > > I now have the upgraded radeon driver since radeonhd was removed. I > > don't know what to report a bug report for - the radeon driver or > > xserver-xorg. Anyone else seeing this? > > I see RadeonHD in my sid repos, but if you are using radeon now > I guess you might as well report it in that driver. But before you do > that, have you tried some of the various tweaks? I don't know which > ones are currently relevant (I am on Intel now), but there used to be > lots, from specifying exa or xaa to things like nooffscreenpixmaps. Yes, radeonhd is back now but using it doesn't help. I tried various options without improvement. I notice that DRI is enabled and I thought that might be the problem, but for some reason it is impossible to turn it off - Option "DRI" "false" does nothing. There are also some odd keyboard effects now - I can no longer stop X with Ctrl-Alt-Del. This is with an ATI Mobility X1400, incidentally. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - a...@acampbell.org.uk Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, and sceptical articles) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: xorg upgrade in Sid causes jerky display
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 14:21, Anthony Campbell wrote: > After today's upgrade of a lot of xorg stuff in Sid my full-screen > display of TV is jerky, as is Googlearth. > > This is on a Thinkpad Z61M. I was using the radeonhd driver previously; > I now have the upgraded radeon driver since radeonhd was removed. I > don't know what to report a bug report for - the radeon driver or > xserver-xorg. Anyone else seeing this? I see RadeonHD in my sid repos, but if you are using radeon now I guess you might as well report it in that driver. But before you do that, have you tried some of the various tweaks? I don't know which ones are currently relevant (I am on Intel now), but there used to be lots, from specifying exa or xaa to things like nooffscreenpixmaps. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
