Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 22:06 -0400, Tim Tebbit wrote: > Chris Jones wrote: > > > > Maybe debian lists should make it a requirement that you do not > > subscribe from a gmail account..? > > > > CJ > > > > > > I don't see that happening anytime soon. gmail for what? gmx? yahoo? > hotmail? If you're using webmail, you don't need mailing lists. You're asking a lightweight tool to do a full blown mail reader's job: Of course it's going to suck for mailing list use. But why even subscribe to the mailing list if you use webmail when you can use gmane.org's NNTP feed more effectively? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 02:08:00AM EDT, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Wed,02.Sep.09, 00:15:39, Chris Jones wrote: > > > > Well actually, "my" gmail spam filter seems to be a lot better at > > keeping me safe from OSS mailing lists than kindly offers of medical > > assistance. > > > > As I mentioned earlier, their filters are pretty smart and appear to > > behave differently for different subscribers.. > > You could try teaching the filter. Just go to the spam folder and mark > list mail as "Not spam". I'm not gettin paid for doing QA on gmail. The trouble is that many gmail capabilities are only accessible in the "standard view", which for some reason, with semonkey as the browser sends my CPU utilization to about 300%. But thanks for reminding me that even with gmail there is a smarter way. CJ. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tue,01.Sep.09, 22:06:35, Tim Tebbit wrote: > Chris Jones wrote: > > > > Maybe debian lists should make it a requirement that you do not > > subscribe from a gmail account..? > > I don't see that happening anytime soon. gmail for what? gmx? yahoo? > hotmail? None of those providers has a mailing list friendly webmail[1]. GMX comes closest, but they have no way to send plain text mail :( They do however have excelent POP3 and IMAP support which is why I'm using their services. Googlegroups is a better option than gmail (if you customize the view to show tree-threads and use fixed fonts for reading), but if you were to try another web interface you should checkout gmane first. [1] I haven't tested hotmail myself, but the reports weren't encouraging Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Wed,02.Sep.09, 00:15:39, Chris Jones wrote: > > Well actually, "my" gmail spam filter seems to be a lot better at > keeping me safe from OSS mailing lists than kindly offers of medical > assistance. > > As I mentioned earlier, their filters are pretty smart and appear to > behave differently for different subscribers.. You could try teaching the filter. Just go to the spam folder and mark list mail as "Not spam". Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 10:54:41PM EDT, Graham wrote: [..] > Sorry, I should have also quoted the paragraph above the one I quoted, > which said that you disabled your Gmail spam folder because posts on > this list were getting diverted to it. I was just pointing out a way > for you to override Gmail's zeal in putting posts here in the same > place as penis enlargement emails. Well actually, "my" gmail spam filter seems to be a lot better at keeping me safe from OSS mailing lists than kindly offers of medical assistance. As I mentioned earlier, their filters are pretty smart and appear to behave differently for different subscribers.. Wonder how they found out I could use some help in that.. particular area, though.. :-) CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:59:20 -0400 Chris Jones wrote: > On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 08:40:02PM EDT, Graham wrote: > > On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:48:03 -0400 > > Chris Jones wrote: > > > > > As far as I know, gmail's spam filter doesn't have any settings > > > you could customize, so I disabled it. > > > > You can set a filter so that any post on this list isn't sent to the > > spam folder. It's easy to do if you go into the webmail, select a > > message from this list, then click on the show details link, where > > you'll find you can make a filter and stop it going to spam. > > > > Below is the filter I made for this list on Gmail: > > > > Matches: list:"" > > Do this: Never send it to Spam > > Sure, but if I understand correctly, it would mean that all > subscribers to the list that have a gmail account do likewise so the > OP's post does not risk the infamy of being reported as spam. Sorry, I should have also quoted the paragraph above the one I quoted, which said that you disabled your Gmail spam folder because posts on this list were getting diverted to it. I was just pointing out a way for you to override Gmail's zeal in putting posts here in the same place as penis enlargement emails. Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 10:06:35PM EDT, Tim Tebbit wrote: > Chris Jones wrote: > > > > Maybe debian lists should make it a requirement that you do not > > subscribe from a gmail account..? > > > > CJ > > > > > > I don't see that happening anytime soon. gmail for what? gmx? yahoo? > hotmail? If I remember correctly, when I subscribed to debian-user, I was asked for an email addres. So I entered a throwaway @gmail.com account. So I'm not sure waht gmx or yahoo or hotmail have to do with that.. As to my suggesting banning gmail account holders from debian mailing lists, I was not saying this in earnest. Next time I'll remember to add a couple of smiley's to avoid misunderstandings. CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
Chris Jones wrote: > > Maybe debian lists should make it a requirement that you do not > subscribe from a gmail account..? > > CJ > > I don't see that happening anytime soon. gmail for what? gmx? yahoo? hotmail? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 08:40:02PM EDT, Graham wrote: > On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:48:03 -0400 > Chris Jones wrote: > > > As far as I know, gmail's spam filter doesn't have any settings you > > could customize, so I disabled it. > > You can set a filter so that any post on this list isn't sent to the > spam folder. It's easy to do if you go into the webmail, select a > message from this list, then click on the show details link, where > you'll find you can make a filter and stop it going to spam. > > Below is the filter I made for this list on Gmail: > > Matches: list:"" > Do this: Never send it to Spam Sure, but if I understand correctly, it would mean that all subscribers to the list that have a gmail account do likewise so the OP's post does not risk the infamy of being reported as spam. Maybe debian lists should make it a requirement that you do not subscribe from a gmail account..? CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:48:03 -0400 Chris Jones wrote: > As far as I know, gmail's spam filter doesn't have any settings you > could customize, so I disabled it. You can set a filter so that any post on this list isn't sent to the spam folder. It's easy to do if you go into the webmail, select a message from this list, then click on the show details link, where you'll find you can make a filter and stop it going to spam. Below is the filter I made for this list on Gmail: Matches: list:"" Do this: Never send it to Spam Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 05:45:55PM EDT, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 01 September 2009 20:15:38 Patrick Wiseman wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Neal Hogan wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith > > > > > > Jr. wrote: > > >> I think someone is reporting valid list mail as SPAM. I got notified > > >> today that one of the mails I sent to the list was identified as SPAM. > > >> The Return- Path on the message was: > >> user=harvenahump=gmail@lists.debian.org>; the Message-Id was munged; > > >> the SpamCop URL is: > > >> <http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?i=z4510524490z944ad5f71881aa403cc76c2f0dc142 > > >>e7z> > > >> > > >> How can I help prevent (or reduce the impact of) mis-reporting list mail > > >> as SPAM? > > > > > > FYI -- The above message was spammed by gmail (I know, I know . . . > > > another reason to hate gmail.) I suspect I get most of your posts. I > > > don't know why this one was marked as spam. Guess: "spam" was in the > > > subject. > > > > It wasn't marked as spam here; neither was the reply. > > Nor here - and I use Gmail (via POP3, but still Gmail). Hmm.. if I understand correctly, and assuming gmail has anything to do with it.. it would only take _one_ particular user's gmail spam filter settings to reject it as spam - and report it - for this to have happened. Maybe depending on Google's idea or your interests, profile, etc., their spam filter might be different than mine and one day determine that you were spamming, or even as recently happened to me forging your own From: address.. :-) I recently subscribed to a mailing list from a gmail account and found a couple days later that more than half of the list's traffic, including my own posts.. ended up in the google account's "Spam" folder - and as a result never materialized on my system. As far as I know, gmail's spam filter doesn't have any settings you could customize, so I disabled it. Obviously, this is not going to help much if the OP's problem was indeed caused by someone-somewhere's google spam filter. CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tuesday 01 September 2009 20:15:38 Patrick Wiseman wrote: > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Neal Hogan wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith > > > > Jr. wrote: > >> I think someone is reporting valid list mail as SPAM. I got notified > >> today that one of the mails I sent to the list was identified as SPAM. > >> The Return- Path on the message was: >> user=harvenahump=gmail@lists.debian.org>; the Message-Id was munged; > >> the SpamCop URL is: > >> <http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?i=z4510524490z944ad5f71881aa403cc76c2f0dc142 > >>e7z> > >> > >> How can I help prevent (or reduce the impact of) mis-reporting list mail > >> as SPAM? > > > > FYI -- The above message was spammed by gmail (I know, I know . . . > > another reason to hate gmail.) I suspect I get most of your posts. I > > don't know why this one was marked as spam. Guess: "spam" was in the > > subject. > > It wasn't marked as spam here; neither was the reply. Nor here - and I use Gmail (via POP3, but still Gmail). Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Neal Hogan wrote: > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith > Jr. wrote: >> I think someone is reporting valid list mail as SPAM. I got notified today >> that one of the mails I sent to the list was identified as SPAM. The Return- >> Path on the message was: > user=harvenahump=gmail@lists.debian.org>; the Message-Id was munged; the >> SpamCop URL is: >> <http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?i=z4510524490z944ad5f71881aa403cc76c2f0dc142e7z> >> >> How can I help prevent (or reduce the impact of) mis-reporting list mail as >> SPAM? > > FYI -- The above message was spammed by gmail (I know, I know . . . > another reason to hate gmail.) I suspect I get most of your posts. I > don't know why this one was marked as spam. Guess: "spam" was in the > subject. It wasn't marked as spam here; neither was the reply. Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > I think someone is reporting valid list mail as SPAM. I got notified today > that one of the mails I sent to the list was identified as SPAM. The Return- > Path on the message was: user=harvenahump=gmail@lists.debian.org>; the Message-Id was munged; the > SpamCop URL is: > <http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?i=z4510524490z944ad5f71881aa403cc76c2f0dc142e7z> > > How can I help prevent (or reduce the impact of) mis-reporting list mail as > SPAM? FYI -- The above message was spammed by gmail (I know, I know . . . another reason to hate gmail.) I suspect I get most of your posts. I don't know why this one was marked as spam. Guess: "spam" was in the subject. > -- > Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. > b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) > ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' > http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/ > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Reporting List Mail As SPAM
I think someone is reporting valid list mail as SPAM. I got notified today that one of the mails I sent to the list was identified as SPAM. The Return- Path on the message was: ; the Message-Id was munged; the SpamCop URL is: <http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?i=z4510524490z944ad5f71881aa403cc76c2f0dc142e7z> How can I help prevent (or reduce the impact of) mis-reporting list mail as SPAM? -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
