Re: Reporting list spam
In <20110220003313.GA5116@gennes.augarten>, David Jardine wrote: >I recently bounced a foolish user's reply to a spam message to >report-lists...@lists.debian.org, but then began to wonder whether >I wasn't being just as foolish myself. > >Did my action achieve anything or just make matters worse? Probably made things a little worse, but not much. From what I understand, bounces mails to the report address just calls them out to the archive maintainers, and shouldn't adversely affect either foolish user unless the administrators make further mistakes. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Reporting list spam
I recently bounced a foolish user's reply to a spam message to report-lists...@lists.debian.org, but then began to wonder whether I wasn't being just as foolish myself. Did my action achieve anything or just make matters worse? Cheers, David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110220003313.GA5116@gennes.augarten
Re: MOBILE PHONES AT VERY XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. (reporting list spam)
Am 2006-10-04 17:46:15, schrieb Andrei Popescu: > > Collecting 500 € from each Spamer which is in Europe juridical legal. > > Wow, if you succeed, I want to do that too $$ (can't find the Euro > symbol) :) I hope it works, since some german politics want to take stronger action agains spamers Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MOBILE PHONES AT VERY XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. (reporting list spam)
Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since I a live in France, all of my "Anzeigen" (do not know the english I think in this context it would be a combination of 'claim' and 'report'. I don't know if English has an equivalent. > term) are going directly to the Amtsgerich Schöneberg Berlin/germany. You probably mean: [...] to the Court of Schöneberg [...] > The first 40 will go out on Friday... > > Collecting 500 € from each Spamer which is in Europe juridical legal. Wow, if you succeed, I want to do that too $$ (can't find the Euro symbol) :) Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein)
Re: MOBILE PHONES AT VERY XXXXXXXXXXXXXX. (reporting list spam)
Am 2006-09-29 00:33:12, schrieb Seth Goodman: > My point was that this law, sadly, establishes the principle that > spamming is legal, as long as you abide by the rules. There is no > requirement to opt in and they can spam you until you opt out. I > believe you are right that most spam violates this law, but what good is > it if no one will enforce it? Worse yet, spammers have the option to > continue spamming legally. If you receive between 500 and 17.000 Spams per day, HOW DO YOU OPT-OUT? You an only hire some informatic specialists, cracker, hacker, killer and journalists to stop them in public! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MOBILE PHONES AT VERY XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. (reporting list spam)
Am 2006-09-28 20:47:32, schrieb David E. Fox: > On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:47:39 -0500 > "Seth Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Spamming activities that are now illegal in the U.S.: sending UBE to > > electronically harvested addresses, forging headers, deceptive subject > > 99% of the spam (at least) violates one or more of those restrictions. FullACK I have now collected a list lof over 400 european Domains sending SPAM and Germany is the first one I attack! Since I a live in France, all of my "Anzeigen" (do not know the english term) are going directly to the Amtsgerich Schöneberg Berlin/germany. The first 40 will go out on Friday... Collecting 500 € from each Spamer which is in Europe juridical legal. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MOBILE PHONES AT VERY XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. (reporting list spam)
Am 2006-09-26 15:46:08, schrieb Mumia W..: > Is it a good idea to report spam to the mailing list to the respective > ISPs? The spam was not sent to me personally; however, it *is* spam; it > made it into my mailbox, and the mail-list debian-user didn't "opt-in." ;-) > > Should I attempt to report things like this? What about a procmail recipe: 8<-- :0 * ^Subject:.*LOW PRICE OFFER .SPAM/ 8<-- Note: I have found your message in my SPAM-Folder Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MOBILE PHONES AT VERY LOW PRICE OFFER. (reporting list spam)
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:33:12 -0500 "Seth Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My point was that this law, sadly, establishes the principle that > spamming is legal, as long as you abide by the rules. There is no In a way, yes. But it also can be viewed as "these types of spam are wrong". Drinking is OK, so long as you don't drive while under the influence, and you don't do it under 21, or you don't let other people under 21 do it. Alcohol sellers are able to sell it under certain provisions, but if they sell to minors, the feds'll come over and board up the business, or at least they should. > requirement to opt in and they can spam you until you opt out. I > believe you are right that most spam violates this law, but what good is No opt-in requirement is of course a fatal flaw. With verifiable opt-in of course, it is no longer spam and is now a mailing list. > it if no one will enforce it? Worse yet, spammers have the option to > continue spamming legally. > > -- > Seth Goodman > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MOBILE PHONES AT VERY LOW PRICE OFFER. (reporting list spam)
On Thursday, September 28, 2006 10:48 PM -0500, David E. Fox wrote: > On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:47:39 -0500 > "Seth Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Spamming activities that are now illegal in the U.S.: sending > > UBE to electronically harvested addresses, forging headers, > > deceptive subject > > 99% of the spam (at least) violates one or more of those > restrictions. True. My point was that this law, sadly, establishes the principle that spamming is legal, as long as you abide by the rules. There is no requirement to opt in and they can spam you until you opt out. I believe you are right that most spam violates this law, but what good is it if no one will enforce it? Worse yet, spammers have the option to continue spamming legally. -- Seth Goodman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MOBILE PHONES AT VERY LOW PRICE OFFER. (reporting list spam)
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:47:39 -0500 "Seth Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Spamming activities that are now illegal in the U.S.: sending UBE to > electronically harvested addresses, forging headers, deceptive subject 99% of the spam (at least) violates one or more of those restrictions. > Seth Goodman -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MOBILE PHONES AT VERY LOW PRICE OFFER. (reporting list spam)
On Wednesday, September 27, 2006 3:33 AM -0500, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > Sending spam is illegal in many countries including > the EU and the US, so the people responsible for servers in these > countries are legally obliged to take action, if they are notified. That's not true for the U.S. Several years ago, the U.S. Congress passed the unfortunately named [yes you] CAN-SPAM Act of 2003. The law uses the opt-out principle, thereby legalizing spam, except for specific prohibited practices. That is, any entity is free to send you UBE until you opt out. You must notify each individual entity whose mail you do not wish to receive ... there is no way to globally opt out. Spamming activities that are now illegal in the U.S.: sending UBE to electronically harvested addresses, forging headers, deceptive subject lines, failure to provide a working opt-out mechanism, ignoring recipient's opt-out declarations and distributing addresses of people who opt out without indicating that fact. As a practical matter, your chances of being prosecuted for any of these are remote. -- Seth Goodman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MOBILE PHONES AT VERY LOW PRICE OFFER. (reporting list spam)
On Wednesday 27 September 2006 18:32, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > Mumia W.. wrote: > > Is it a good idea to report spam to the mailing list to the respective > > ISPs? The spam was not sent to me personally; however, it *is* spam; it > > made it into my mailbox, and the mail-list debian-user didn't "opt-in." > > ;-) > > > > Should I attempt to report things like this? > > Probably, yes. Especially if the server from which the spam originates > (not to be confused with the 'from' or 'reply-to' address) is within > your country. Sending spam is illegal in many countries including the EU > and the US, so the people responsible for servers in these countries are > legally obliged to take action, if they are notified. If you do report it, make it clear to you isp that you got the mail from the debian.org mailing lists (to which you are subscribed) and that problem is that someone sent spam to the list. Otherwise your isp (or whatever script they use) might assume that debian.org sent spam to you. Andrew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MOBILE PHONES AT VERY LOW PRICE OFFER. (reporting list spam)
Mumia W.. wrote: Is it a good idea to report spam to the mailing list to the respective ISPs? The spam was not sent to me personally; however, it *is* spam; it made it into my mailbox, and the mail-list debian-user didn't "opt-in." ;-) Should I attempt to report things like this? Probably, yes. Especially if the server from which the spam originates (not to be confused with the 'from' or 'reply-to' address) is within your country. Sending spam is illegal in many countries including the EU and the US, so the people responsible for servers in these countries are legally obliged to take action, if they are notified. 'host' and 'whois' are your friends here. Johannes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MOBILE PHONES AT VERY LOW PRICE OFFER. (reporting list spam)
On 09/26/2006 01:29 PM, CHEAP OFFER wrote: MOBILE PHONES AT VERY LOW PRICE OFFER. PRICE LIST. Nokia N93...$310 USD Nokia 8800..$200 USD [...] Is it a good idea to report spam to the mailing list to the respective ISPs? The spam was not sent to me personally; however, it *is* spam; it made it into my mailbox, and the mail-list debian-user didn't "opt-in." ;-) Should I attempt to report things like this? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
