Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 07:20:52 +1100 "Sam Varghese" wrote: > I would value feedback from anyone on this list who has been running > Debian on an AMD Ryzen system. I have gone back through list posts for a > year and cannot find anything on this subject. > > I am running the testing stream and am looking to upgrade a 10-year-old PC > which I use for work. Having had good experiences with AMD processors in > the past - my current box has a K6-2 chip - I would prefer to go with a > processor from the same company. > > If anyone does respond, could you please copy me in? I am not subscribed > to the list. I did a lot of research before replacing my 12 year old Phenom II x4 desktop system with a Ryzen 5 1600 one. All the advice given you so far is good. However, if you're using Stretch, my research said to upgrade to the 4.18 kernel in stretch-backports which has code that supports the Ryzen non-apu chip. Buster is supposed to be 100% Ryzen compatible with non and apu versions. It's also supposed to support Seureboot. But it's still in alpha and at least six months from Stable release. So I would avoid it for now. If you need Stretch to work with apu Ryzen chips, there are various "fixes," but they all involve a few pulling files from Buster's repos. Now that I've received all the parts, I'll let you know how my Ryzen build works since I'm transfering the System drive from my old system which is 100% MBR (old motherboard doesn't support uefi) as I don't want to reinstall Stretch or convert the drive to uefi. New motherboard does have Legacy support. So, I should be okay as long as I set the BIOS correctly. B
Re: sig separator (was Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system)
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 14:14:18 + Jonathan Dowland wrote: Hello Jonathan, >Yes. I felt trying to encode the \n inside the quote marks (or putting a >literal \n in the quote marks) would harm comprehension, and hoped that Probably true. Still, there's at least one person on the list that appears unaware. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Your father was a megalomaniac, you've got an insane brother Pure Mania - The Vibrators pgpojoOLxHFR6.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: sig separator (was Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system)
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 11:49:16AM +, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 10:54:25 +
("-- " with the trailing space)
That's not quite enough to make it entirely valid;
The 'dash, dash, space' must be all that's on that line. Put anything
after the space, and most MUAs won't recognise it as valid.
Yes. I felt trying to encode the \n inside the quote marks (or putting a
literal \n in the quote marks) would harm comprehension, and hoped that
the implication was clear.
--
⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net
⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.
Re: sig separator (was Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system)
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 10:54:25 +
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
Hello Jonathan,
>("-- " with the trailing space)
That's not quite enough to make it entirely valid;
The 'dash, dash, space' must be all that's on that line. Put anything
after the space, and most MUAs won't recognise it as valid.
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
Is she really going out with him?
New Rose - The Damned
pgp1x1qaiXb32.pgp
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system
Hello, On 22/02/2019 14:39, Sam Varghese wrote: > On Fri, February 22, 2019 7:12 pm, Andrea Borgia wrote: >> Hi, Sam. >> >> Unless you go for the "G" variant of Ryzen (with embedded GPU(, you should >> be good to go with no special care if you use the current "testing". >> If you decide to use "G" as I did, you should probably opt for this >> kernel: >> https://github.com/M-Bab/linux-kernel-amdgpu-binaries > > Thank you, Andrea, and everyone else for the helpful responses. Much > appreciated. > > I think I will avoid the "G" variant; the Ryzen5 2600 is available for > $259 (Australian dollars) which I will probably buy over the weekend. Out of curiosity, in what kind computer do you plan to plug it ? Jerome > > Sam > > (Sam Varghese) >
sig separator (was Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system)
Dear Sam
Not addressing your question, but just to point out
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 07:20:52AM +1100, Sam Varghese wrote:
--
(Sam Varghese)
Your sig separator here ("--") does not match the common convention
for sig separators ("-- " with the trailing space), and so it is not
recognised as a signature by MUA software configured to do so. It would
be a kindness to fellow mailing list users to use the conventional sig
separator.
--
⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net
⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.
Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system
On Fri, February 22, 2019 7:12 pm, Andrea Borgia wrote: > Hi, Sam. > > Unless you go for the "G" variant of Ryzen (with embedded GPU(, you should > be good to go with no special care if you use the current "testing". > If you decide to use "G" as I did, you should probably opt for this > kernel: > https://github.com/M-Bab/linux-kernel-amdgpu-binaries Thank you, Andrea, and everyone else for the helpful responses. Much appreciated. I think I will avoid the "G" variant; the Ryzen5 2600 is available for $259 (Australian dollars) which I will probably buy over the weekend. Sam (Sam Varghese)
Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system
Hi, Sam. Unless you go for the "G" variant of Ryzen (with embedded GPU(, you should be good to go with no special care if you use the current "testing". If you decide to use "G" as I did, you should probably opt for this kernel: https://github.com/M-Bab/linux-kernel-amdgpu-binaries Regards, Andrea Il giorno gio 21 feb 2019 alle ore 21:31 Sam Varghese ha scritto: > I would value feedback from anyone on this list who has been running > Debian on an AMD Ryzen system. I have gone back through list posts for a > year and cannot find anything on this subject. > > I am running the testing stream and am looking to upgrade a 10-year-old PC > which I use for work. Having had good experiences with AMD processors in > the past - my current box has a K6-2 chip - I would prefer to go with a > processor from the same company. > > If anyone does respond, could you please copy me in? I am not subscribed > to the list. > > Thanks, > Sam > -- > (Sam Varghese) > > >
Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system
On 22/02/2019 03:50, Étienne Mollier wrote: Sam Varghese wrote: I have seen some older reports about kernel issues and crashes. Hence my concern. Good Day, You were probably referring to CPU idle states bugs appearing under certain circumstances. I have been confronted to an AMD Ryzen machine a few months ago, on which processor C-states had to be disabled in UEFI config, meaning increased energy consumption when idling. The problem was similar to the one described on Chris's wiki: https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/RyzenMachineLinuxHangs https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/RyzenApparentlyStable It has been a while since the last time I checked those AGESA updates for the motherboard, and am not sure if the problem would still hold true with latest kernel/firmware upgrades/etc though. Kind Regards, Hi, I bought ryzen CPUs from the very first weeks they were available in Europe, the first batch I got were all defective, the 1700s would hang anytime they were left idling without disabling C6 management in bios. The 1800Xs were also exhibiting this bug, but with a second one on top under heavy compilation load, GCC would throw random errors and the compilation would fail. There was various workarounds that allowed me to use the CPUs while progressively returning them to the manufacturer for exchange. All affected CPUs were made during the very first weeks of manufacturing, after that AMD fixed the problem and all newer chips were fine. I currently have a mix of ryzen 5s, a few 1700 and 1800X left that are not affected by any bugs and run perfectly, and newer 2xxx second gen CPUs that I never had any problem with. Unless you buy second hand from unscrupulous people or get a dusty batch or first week first gen chips, you will not be affected by those problems. In any case AMD did their part and the RMA process after confirming the problem with them was good. I have no experience with their integrated graphics, I use discrete Radeon GPUs, but for the CPU part I am really happy with the cost/performance ratio. Especially for 3D modeling/rendering and video they work great, software compilation is one of their strong point too, anything heavily multi-threaded really. My two sons play on ryzens too and they don't complain, associated with a decent GPU they run common "big" titles on Steam Linux or standalone. Again the cost/performance ratio seems very good to me. Look at the motherboards you could be interested in too and chipset features, it's important to consider full system price rather than just CPU. Hope it helps.
Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system
Sam Varghese composed on 2019-02-22 07:20 (UTC+1100): > I would value feedback from anyone on this list who has been running > Debian on an AMD Ryzen system. I have gone back through list posts for a > year and cannot find anything on this subject. (IMO, as one who has not purchased any new AMD products in over a decade) Debian is a Gnu/Linux distribution. Distributions package FOSS software created by loads of upstream projects. Thus, limiting your search to Debian (or this support list) risks missing problems that Debian users simply haven't reported but might be discovered without the limiting search terms. It is common knowledge that buying hardware that is younger than 6-9 months before a stable distribution's release is fraught with various dangers to those wishing simply to get work done with a new PC. It takes time for FOSS development to catch up with new hardware. "Ryzen" was initially released roughly 4 months before the original release of current Debian Stable (9.0, Stretch) in June 2017, which translated to a fairly high prospect of various types of missing functionality or defects in support of Ryzen products. Stable releases are primarily subject to defect repairs, not feature (support) additions. The dot releases that follow the original 9.0 do violate that general principle only to some extent. Ryzen is a family name comprised of several generations. Since initial Ryzen release there have been at least 3 newer generations. Effectively, "Ryzen" as a generic term is newer than Stable. Thus, careful shopping is warranted to ensure you aren't buying hardware that won't be adequately supported at time of purchase. Having seen numerous complaints recently about latest "Ryzen" products in various forums, I highly recommend digesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryzen or equivalent before searching using Debian as a limiting term, else your choice may force you to use Testing/Buster or some other more recent distribution instead of Stable/Stretch. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 07:20:52AM +1100, Sam Varghese wrote: I would value feedback from anyone on this list who has been running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system. I have gone back through list posts for a year and cannot find anything on this subject. I am running the testing stream and am looking to upgrade a 10-year-old PC which I use for work. Having had good experiences with AMD processors in the past - my current box has a K6-2 chip - I would prefer to go with a processor from the same company. If anyone does respond, could you please copy me in? I am not subscribed to the list. I've been using a Ryzen as my primary desktop for a while. There's nothing particularly noteworthy in doing so, which is probably why you're not seeing much. As usual with modern CPUs, get the latest firmware update available for your motherboard--which will include updates that affect the performance & stability of the CPU itself to a much greater extent than in the k6-2 days.
Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system
Sam Varghese wrote: > I have seen some older reports about kernel issues and crashes. Hence my > concern. Good Day, You were probably referring to CPU idle states bugs appearing under certain circumstances. I have been confronted to an AMD Ryzen machine a few months ago, on which processor C-states had to be disabled in UEFI config, meaning increased energy consumption when idling. The problem was similar to the one described on Chris's wiki: https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/RyzenMachineLinuxHangs https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/RyzenApparentlyStable It has been a while since the last time I checked those AGESA updates for the motherboard, and am not sure if the problem would still hold true with latest kernel/firmware upgrades/etc though. Kind Regards, -- Étienne Mollier All opinions are my own.
Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system
On Fri, February 22, 2019 8:11 am, Dan Ritter wrote: > Sam Varghese wrote: >> I have seen some older reports about kernel issues and crashes. Hence my >> concern. > > I haven't seen any while running Stretch or later. >> I presume that the built-in graphics system can be disabled from the >> BIOS >> (or UEFI) and a stock standard graphics card used instead. Would I be >> correct in assuming that? > For desktops, yes. My son is using a Ryzen 2300U laptop, and the > stretch-backports amdgpu X11 system works well for him. His last > remaining issue is that the touchscreen isn't working, which is > not a Ryzen issue. > > Ryzen (and ThreadRipper)_chips without a G or U suffix have no > built-in graphics anyway, so it's not an issue unless you're > buying one of those. Thanks a lot for your input, Dan. Much appreciated. Sam
Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system
Sam Varghese wrote: > > On Fri, February 22, 2019 7:46 am, Dan Ritter wrote: > > What are you concerned about? > > Thanks for your response, Dan. > > I have seen some older reports about kernel issues and crashes. Hence my > concern. I haven't seen any while running Stretch or later. > I presume that the built-in graphics system can be disabled from the BIOS > (or UEFI) and a stock standard graphics card used instead. Would I be > correct in assuming that? For desktops, yes. My son is using a Ryzen 2300U laptop, and the stretch-backports amdgpu X11 system works well for him. His last remaining issue is that the touchscreen isn't working, which is not a Ryzen issue. Ryzen (and ThreadRipper)_chips without a G or U suffix have no built-in graphics anyway, so it's not an issue unless you're buying one of those. -dsr-
Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system
On Fri, February 22, 2019 7:46 am, Dan Ritter wrote: > Sam Varghese wrote: >> I would value feedback from anyone on this list who has been running >> Debian on an AMD Ryzen system. I have gone back through list posts for a >> year and cannot find anything on this subject. >> >> I am running the testing stream and am looking to upgrade a 10-year-old >> PC >> which I use for work. Having had good experiences with AMD processors in >> the past - my current box has a K6-2 chip - I would prefer to go with a >> processor from the same company. >> >> If anyone does respond, could you please copy me in? I am not subscribed >> to the list. > > I have installed Debian on several Ryzen machines. No particular > problems, unless you are using the built-in graphics systems, in > which case you may need to get X11 via stretch-backports. > > What are you concerned about? Thanks for your response, Dan. I have seen some older reports about kernel issues and crashes. Hence my concern. I presume that the built-in graphics system can be disabled from the BIOS (or UEFI) and a stock standard graphics card used instead. Would I be correct in assuming that? Please copy me in as I am not subscribed to the list. Thanks, Sam
Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system
Sam Varghese wrote: > I would value feedback from anyone on this list who has been running > Debian on an AMD Ryzen system. I have gone back through list posts for a > year and cannot find anything on this subject. > > I am running the testing stream and am looking to upgrade a 10-year-old PC > which I use for work. Having had good experiences with AMD processors in > the past - my current box has a K6-2 chip - I would prefer to go with a > processor from the same company. > > If anyone does respond, could you please copy me in? I am not subscribed > to the list. I have installed Debian on several Ryzen machines. No particular problems, unless you are using the built-in graphics systems, in which case you may need to get X11 via stretch-backports. What are you concerned about? -dsr-
Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system
I would value feedback from anyone on this list who has been running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system. I have gone back through list posts for a year and cannot find anything on this subject. I am running the testing stream and am looking to upgrade a 10-year-old PC which I use for work. Having had good experiences with AMD processors in the past - my current box has a K6-2 chip - I would prefer to go with a processor from the same company. If anyone does respond, could you please copy me in? I am not subscribed to the list. Thanks, Sam -- (Sam Varghese)
