Re: Size of minimal Debian installation
In ib5d2h$t9...@speranza.aioe.org, s. keeling wrote: Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com: Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: I have a minimal Debian installation ... You might be interested in reading through a discussion that is happening right now on debian-devel: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/10/threads.html#00310 http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/10/msg00310.html After ca. 15 a. of Debian: /2 Gb I usually make this much smaller, but I also split off /opt, /srv, and /tmp. (In addition to your separation of /home and /usr.) swap total RAM I usually make this 2x RAM, but that seems more and more silly on systems where I won't be using suspend-to-RAM features. I also set /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory to 2 and the amount of swap you configure is more important in such a configuration. (For me, /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_ratio is 100.) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Size of minimal Debian installation
Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com: Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: I have a minimal Debian installation ... You might be interested in reading through a discussion that is happening right now on debian-devel: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/10/threads.html#00310 http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/10/msg00310.html After ca. 15 a. of Debian: /2 Gb swap total RAM /home4 Gb /usr 6 Gb /var 3 Gb /scratch ... /scratch/user/... That's the most comfortable layout I've come up with (Debian specific). Handle the OS and minimal user usage, then show them where else space is. On a single box, that is. Servers no. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ib5d2h$t9...@speranza.aioe.org
Re: Size of minimal Debian installation
On Lu, 01 nov 10, 20:45:49, gun_sm...@shellium.org wrote: I agree, it has been a while for me as well. I only remember gcc coming in with build-essential on my end, which I always need. (headers|make|gcc|etc) build-essential should be installed on a user system only as a dependency of dkms (needed for nvidia and fglrx drivers). Of course, build-essential is also needed if you want to rebuild packages (or compile unpackaged software), but I don't consider that to be a user system ;) Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Size of minimal Debian installation
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:43:53 -0600 Morgan Gangwere 0.fracta...@gmail.com wrote: ... There's minimal and then there's /minimal/. Debian's netinst does add some things, and some of the additions can be a bit awkward. For one, the Base System package actually adds quite a bit. Here's the biggest hogs: gcc and friends Debian's installer installs gcc? What Base System package are you referring to? It's been a while since I did an install, but I don't remember ever having gcc installed during the install, and I see no base package that depends on it. Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101101195302.e44ddd6c.cele...@gmail.com
Re: Size of minimal Debian installation
On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 07:53:02PM -0400, Celejar wrote: Debian's installer installs gcc? What Base System package are you referring to? It's been a while since I did an install, but I don't remember ever having gcc installed during the install, and I see no base package that depends on it. Celejar I agree, it has been a while for me as well. I only remember gcc coming in with build-essential on my end, which I always need. (headers|make|gcc|etc) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101102004548.ga30...@shellium.org
Re: Size of minimal Debian installation
On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 20:45:49 -0400 gun_sm...@shellium.org wrote: On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 07:53:02PM -0400, Celejar wrote: Debian's installer installs gcc? What Base System package are you referring to? It's been a while since I did an install, but I don't remember ever having gcc installed during the install, and I see no base package that depends on it. Celejar I agree, it has been a while for me as well. I only remember gcc coming in with build-essential on my end, which I always need. (headers|make|gcc|etc) Well, yes, gcc is certainly necessary for building stuff, but I don't think that build-essential is installed by the installer, as part of a base system. Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101101213534.c2f74bd5.cele...@gmail.com
Size of minimal Debian installation
I have a minimal Debian installation on a 2 GB VirtualBox hard drive. By minimal, I mean the 150 MB Netinstall ISO without any of the packages (not even the base system) I was given the option to install during the initial installation process. And I haven't even added anything yet. When I go to the / directory and type du -s, I get 355960, or nearly 360 MB. I'm using a dynamic (rather than fixed) hard drive, and its size is 601 MB. How can Debian with nothing added on be almost triple the size of Puppy Linux? I've heard that Debian can be configured to be just as light or even lighter than Puppy Linux. And do Debian and the host OS show different sizes for my virtual Debian installation? Why is there a 241 MB difference? The error is almost double the size of Puppy Linux. -- Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer (952) 715-7661 embedded_engin...@jasonhsu.com http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee.html http://www.jasonhsu.com/swrwatt.html http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee-robot.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101030104927.d895fca8.jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com
Re: Size of minimal Debian installation
On 10/30/2010 9:49 AM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: I have a minimal Debian installation on a 2 GB VirtualBox hard drive. By minimal, I mean the 150 MB Netinstall ISO without any of the packages (not even the base system) I was given the option to install during the initial installation process. And I haven't even added anything yet. There's minimal and then there's /minimal/. Debian's netinst does add some things, and some of the additions can be a bit awkward. For one, the Base System package actually adds quite a bit. Here's the biggest hogs: gcc and friends manpages (Puppy iirc uses none) initrd/kernel (puppy uses a REALLY stripped down kernel and a REALLY well compressed one at that) kernel modules (there's some added overhead) apt's cache any and all graphical environments. When I go to the / directory and type du -s, I get 355960, or nearly 360 MB. Sounds about right for the netinst's defaults. I'm using a dynamic (rather than fixed) hard drive, and its size is 601 MB. Sounds like your VM is playing games. Dynamic usually means there's more accounting to do. How can Debian with nothing added on be almost triple the size of Puppy Linux? I've heard that Debian can be configured to be just as light or even lighter than Puppy Linux. Puppy pales in comparison to TinyCore (10MB with X and a wm and a package manager) And do Debian and the host OS show different sizes for my virtual Debian installation? Why is there a 241 MB difference? The error is almost double the size of Puppy Linux. I again call shenanigans on your VM. -- Morgan Gangwere PGP Key at http://indrora.homelinux.org/gpg_key.asc Why? Because it breaks the logical flow of conversation, plus makes messages unreadable. Top-Posting is evil. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Size of minimal Debian installation
Hi, Before reading following lines, I want to remind you that official Debian GNU/Linux installation is not optimized for constrained space requirements, where Puppy Linux is. Consider manual pages, lots of automation related scripts all around the place, a full featured libc (consider uclibc), dozens of optional modules added for flexibility to all userbase. (E.g. It is funny that gnupg depends on libusb, etc.) On Sat, 30 Oct 2010, Jason Hsu jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com writes: I have a minimal Debian installation on a 2 GB VirtualBox hard drive. By minimal, I mean the 150 MB Netinstall ISO without any of the packages (not even the base system) I was given the option to install during the initial installation process. And I haven't even added anything yet. When I go to the / directory and type du -s, I get 355960, or nearly 360 MB. I'm using a dynamic (rather than fixed) hard drive, and its size is 601 MB. Try - aptitude clean - Purge removed packages. - Do not select any packages during installation. (Neither Standard System, etc.) - After installation, remove unnecessary packages as well. (For instance, laptop-detect, tasksel, tasksel-data, eject, etc.) - du -sh /* for more clues. How can Debian with nothing added on be almost triple the size of Puppy Linux? I've heard that Debian can be configured to be just as light or even lighter than Puppy Linux. Yes it can. Google would probably help with some keyword adjustments. And do Debian and the host OS show different sizes for my virtual Debian installation? Why is there a 241 MB difference? The error is almost double the size of Puppy Linux. This is due to the previously used space while downloading uncompressing .deb packages. Filesystem is extended to handle new size requirements. After installation, these requirements are possibly disappeared. But filesystem was once extended, and VM just displays its extended size. Try creating a huge file and removing it. VM will still display the max. size of the extended fs and won't be affected by the removal of the same file. Regards. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87iq0jwolv@alamut.ozu.edu.tr
Re: Size of minimal Debian installation
Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: I have a minimal Debian installation ... You might be interested in reading through a discussion that is happening right now on debian-devel: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/10/threads.html#00310 http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/10/msg00310.html And note that on Monday a new month appears in the archive and so any continuation of that discussion next week will need to be located in the next month's page. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
