Re: So I guess no one really cares about the IMAP folder root.
ok..yeah i understand more now :) i guess i do the same w/pine, even though it's POP3 mail i can ssh in from anywhere and the mail is always there.. nate On Fri, 11 Feb 2000, Joe Emenaker wrote: jemena >> what makes IMAP better for you then POP3 ? jemena > jemena >Try this: jemena > jemena >Set up two machines (for a completely implausible scenario, let's say that jemena >the two machines are at your work and at your house) to read from the same jemena >POP server. jemena > jemena >Now, you have two options when you configure your mail program: leave jemena >messages on server until explicitly deleted, or delete messages when jemena >downloaded. jemena > jemena >Try the first one. Leave messages on the server. Now, download your mail jemena >onto each machine. Then, delete a message on one machine and have it notify jemena >your POP server to delete it. Now, go to the other machine and look at your jemena >mail. The deleted message is still on the other machine. Sucks, huh? jemena > jemena >Now, try it the other way. Tell your mailer to delete messages when jemena >downloaded. Now, download to one of your machines. Then, go to the other jemena >machine and download. Look, you have no mail! Now, if you wait until some jemena >comes in, you'll be able to download some onto the other machine. jemena >Eventually, you'll have half of your mail on each machine. Sucks, huh? jemena > jemena >Now, by keeping all mail and all folders on the server, IMAP avoids this and jemena >really lends itself to checking mail from multiple machines. It also lends jemena >itself well to web gateways that let you check your mail from web browsers. jemena >Lastly, since, with IMAP, you download the headers first and then the jemena >individual messages as you want them, it's not as much of a problem if jemena >someone mails you a 10MB file entitled "Great money making opportunity". jemena >You can just instruct the server to delete it without you ever having to jemena >download the actual file. Try *THAT* with POP. jemena > jemena >- Joe jemena > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- Vice President Network Operations http://www.firetrail.com/ Firetrail Internet Services Limited http://www.aphroland.org/ Everett, WA 425-348-7336http://www.linuxpowered.net/ Powered By:http://comedy.aphroland.org/ Debian 2.1 Linux 2.0.36 SMPhttp://yahoo.aphroland.org/ -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- 3:11pm up 176 days, 3:26, 1 user, load average: 1.06, 1.03, 1.00
Re: So I guess no one really cares about the IMAP folder root.
> what makes IMAP better for you then POP3 ? Try this: Set up two machines (for a completely implausible scenario, let's say that the two machines are at your work and at your house) to read from the same POP server. Now, you have two options when you configure your mail program: leave messages on server until explicitly deleted, or delete messages when downloaded. Try the first one. Leave messages on the server. Now, download your mail onto each machine. Then, delete a message on one machine and have it notify your POP server to delete it. Now, go to the other machine and look at your mail. The deleted message is still on the other machine. Sucks, huh? Now, try it the other way. Tell your mailer to delete messages when downloaded. Now, download to one of your machines. Then, go to the other machine and download. Look, you have no mail! Now, if you wait until some comes in, you'll be able to download some onto the other machine. Eventually, you'll have half of your mail on each machine. Sucks, huh? Now, by keeping all mail and all folders on the server, IMAP avoids this and really lends itself to checking mail from multiple machines. It also lends itself well to web gateways that let you check your mail from web browsers. Lastly, since, with IMAP, you download the headers first and then the individual messages as you want them, it's not as much of a problem if someone mails you a 10MB file entitled "Great money making opportunity". You can just instruct the server to delete it without you ever having to download the actual file. Try *THAT* with POP. - Joe
Re: So I guess no one really cares about the IMAP folder root.
> Shall I assume you don't really care. ;-) I care so much that using a deprecated back-door hack just won't do. I need some configurablilty that isn't going to just disappear out of the blue, forcing me to retrograde back to a previous version like I've just had to do when the default root moved from $HOME/mail to $HOME. Currently, I've just told dselect to hold with that older version of imapd until I can figure out how to configure one of the other imap daemons to do what I need. - Joe
Re: So I guess no one really cares about the IMAP folder root.
IMAP allows you to have the same messages in your Inbox, Sent folder and Drafts wherever you are. So if I reply to a message at work and then check my mail when I get home, then its marked R in mutt and a copy of the reply is in the Sent folder. Under the same circumstances with POP, it would not be marked Read and you wouldn't have a copy of the reply. Sounds trivial until you get used to the continuity. I tend to bounce from PC to PC at work so its really useful. Also great if you follow threads in a discussion. Patrick - Original Message - From: "aphro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jaldhar H. Vyas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Debian User" ; Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 6:25 AM Subject: Re: So I guess no one really cares about the IMAP folder root. > curious what makes IMAP so important ? ive had tons of ISPs and been on > tons of networks and all of them used POP3 .. > > what makes IMAP better for you then POP3 ? > > nate > > On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > > jaldha >There was some discussion of having the IMAP folder root be configurable > jaldha >(i.e $HOME or $HOME/mail). A few days ago I wrote of a way to do > jaldha >this. Mind you it came with a big fat warning from the author but I would > jaldha >have assumed *somebody* tried it. No one has gotten back to me to tell me > jaldha >if it worked or not. Shall I assume you don't really care. ;-) > jaldha > > jaldha >-- > jaldha >Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > jaldha > > jaldha > > jaldha >-- > jaldha >Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null > jaldha > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- >Vice President Network Operations http://www.firetrail.com/ > Firetrail Internet Services Limited http://www.aphroland.org/ >Everett, WA 425-348-7336http://www.linuxpowered.net/ > Powered By:http://comedy.aphroland.org/ > Debian 2.1 Linux 2.0.36 SMPhttp://yahoo.aphroland.org/ > -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- > 10:18pm up 174 days, 10:32, 1 user, load average: 1.06, 1.06, 1.04 > > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null > >
Re: So I guess no one really cares about the IMAP folder root.
curious what makes IMAP so important ? ive had tons of ISPs and been on tons of networks and all of them used POP3 .. what makes IMAP better for you then POP3 ? nate On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: jaldha >There was some discussion of having the IMAP folder root be configurable jaldha >(i.e $HOME or $HOME/mail). A few days ago I wrote of a way to do jaldha >this. Mind you it came with a big fat warning from the author but I would jaldha >have assumed *somebody* tried it. No one has gotten back to me to tell me jaldha >if it worked or not. Shall I assume you don't really care. ;-) jaldha > jaldha >-- jaldha >Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> jaldha > jaldha > jaldha >-- jaldha >Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null jaldha > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- Vice President Network Operations http://www.firetrail.com/ Firetrail Internet Services Limited http://www.aphroland.org/ Everett, WA 425-348-7336http://www.linuxpowered.net/ Powered By:http://comedy.aphroland.org/ Debian 2.1 Linux 2.0.36 SMPhttp://yahoo.aphroland.org/ -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- 10:18pm up 174 days, 10:32, 1 user, load average: 1.06, 1.06, 1.04
So I guess no one really cares about the IMAP folder root.
There was some discussion of having the IMAP folder root be configurable (i.e $HOME or $HOME/mail). A few days ago I wrote of a way to do this. Mind you it came with a big fat warning from the author but I would have assumed *somebody* tried it. No one has gotten back to me to tell me if it worked or not. Shall I assume you don't really care. ;-) -- Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
