Re: Spam on Debian lists (was: Actually)

2017-04-21 Thread tomas 
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On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 02:52:39PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 22:40:56 +0200 Jochen Spieker 
> wrote:
> 
> > fc:
> > >
> > > Actually -- does anyone monitor this list for this type of stuff?
> > 
> > You have no idea *how much* spam is blocked by the work of the list
> > masters [...]

(not the OP, but -- thanks for that, BTW!)

> > > Why not just restrict it to people who have subscribed?
> > 
> > Because this excludes use cases that are deemed valid by the list
> > masters.
>  
> Like what?
> 
> Why not this:  [...]

You'd think this hasn't all been discussed. But it has. Extensively.
*If* you want to re-hash it here, then please, please: do some
homework first. Use your favourite search engine and try to dig up
some previous discussion.

The list's openness is *by design*, not by mistake. It's not because
all of "them" didn't come up with the Right Idea(TM)

Yes, sounds a bit harsh and all. But if you don't do some research
we're stuck in an endless loop.

Regards
- -- tomás
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Re: Spam on Debian lists (was: Actually)

2017-04-20 Thread Joel Rees 
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 6:52 AM, Patrick Bartek  wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 22:40:56 +0200 Jochen Spieker 
> wrote:
>
>> fc:
>> >
>> > Actually -- does anyone monitor this list for this type of stuff?
>>
>> You have no idea *how much* spam is blocked by the work of the list
>> masters. But it's not that anybody monitors all of the almost 300
>> Debian lists¹ with thousands of posts each day.
>>
>> > I see these types of things come through periodically -- and 1
>> > delete on the front end could prevent a lot of woe.
>>
>> Your help is appreciated:
>> https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/ListArchiveSpam
>>
>> Obviously, this only affects the archive after all subscribers already
>> received the spam message. Moderating all Debian lists is not a job
>> that anybody wants to do (and it wouldn't even be appreciated).
>>
>> > *Even more so* -- it seems like unauthorized users can email this
>> > list?
>> >
>> > Why not just restrict it to people who have subscribed?
>>
>> Because this excludes use cases that are deemed valid by the list
>> masters.
>
> Like what?
>
> Why not this:  To post or reply to the list, you must be
> a subscriber; but to read/browse (even search archives, etc.), you
> do not. This is the way most of the lists I've been involved with have
> been set up.  Works quite well controlling spurious posting by 'bots.
> One list I used required annual renewal..

How do you limit posts to subscribers?

Login?
Subscriber list?

What happens when you need an answer, but you don't have access to a
functional machine that you can trust?

Also, I think there is a web forum that functions more or less as you describe:

http://forums.debian.net/

-- 
Joel Rees

I'm imagining I'm a novelist:
http://joel-rees-economics.blogspot.com/2017/01/soc500-00-00-toc.html
More of my delusions:
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Re: Spam on Debian lists (was: Actually)

2017-04-20 Thread Patrick Bartek 
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 22:40:56 +0200 Jochen Spieker 
wrote:

> fc:
> >
> > Actually -- does anyone monitor this list for this type of stuff?
> 
> You have no idea *how much* spam is blocked by the work of the list
> masters. But it's not that anybody monitors all of the almost 300
> Debian lists¹ with thousands of posts each day.
> 
> > I see these types of things come through periodically -- and 1
> > delete on the front end could prevent a lot of woe.
> 
> Your help is appreciated:
> https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/ListArchiveSpam
> 
> Obviously, this only affects the archive after all subscribers already
> received the spam message. Moderating all Debian lists is not a job
> that anybody wants to do (and it wouldn't even be appreciated).
> 
> > *Even more so* -- it seems like unauthorized users can email this
> > list?
> > 
> > Why not just restrict it to people who have subscribed?
> 
> Because this excludes use cases that are deemed valid by the list
> masters.
 
Like what?

Why not this:  To post or reply to the list, you must be
a subscriber; but to read/browse (even search archives, etc.), you
do not. This is the way most of the lists I've been involved with have
been set up.  Works quite well controlling spurious posting by 'bots.
One list I used required annual renewal..

B

Re: Spam on Debian lists (was: Actually)

2017-04-20 Thread Michael Fothergill 
On 20 April 2017 at 21:40, Jochen Spieker  wrote:

> fc:
> >
> > Actually -- does anyone monitor this list for this type of stuff?
>
> You have no idea *how much* spam is blocked by the work of the list
> masters. But it's not that anybody monitors all of the almost 300 Debian
> lists¹ with thousands of posts each day.
>
> > I see these types of things come through periodically -- and 1 delete on
> the
> > front end could prevent a lot of woe.
>
> Your help is appreciated:
> https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/ListArchiveSpam
>
> Obviously, this only affects the archive after all subscribers already
> received the spam message. Moderating all Debian lists is not a job that
> anybody wants to do (and it wouldn't even be appreciated).
>
> > *Even more so* -- it seems like unauthorized users can email this list?
> >
> > Why not just restrict it to people who have subscribed?
>
> Because this excludes use cases that are deemed valid by the list
> masters.
>

​Especially queries about the relative merits of sysinit vs systemd in
Debian.

MF​


>
> J.
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Spam on Debian lists (was: Actually)

2017-04-20 Thread Jochen Spieker 
fc:
>
> Actually -- does anyone monitor this list for this type of stuff?

You have no idea *how much* spam is blocked by the work of the list
masters. But it's not that anybody monitors all of the almost 300 Debian
lists¹ with thousands of posts each day.

> I see these types of things come through periodically -- and 1 delete on the
> front end could prevent a lot of woe.

Your help is appreciated:
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/ListArchiveSpam

Obviously, this only affects the archive after all subscribers already
received the spam message. Moderating all Debian lists is not a job that
anybody wants to do (and it wouldn't even be appreciated).

> *Even more so* -- it seems like unauthorized users can email this list?
> 
> Why not just restrict it to people who have subscribed?

Because this excludes use cases that are deemed valid by the list
masters.

J.
-- 
I wish I had been aware enough to enjoy my time as a toddler.
[Agree]   [Disagree]
 


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