Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
On Tuesday 13 January 2009 09:09:49 Micha Feigin wrote: On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:22:02 +0100 Sjoerd Hardeman sjo...@lorentz.leidenuniv.nl wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: I have to wonder how you guys are torturing your systems that they take longer to boot than Vista... 2.8GHz system with 2GB of RAM, Vista takes almost 5 minutes to boot. Debian's at GDM beeping at me to log in in about 45 seconds. Vista defaults to some sort of suspend to ram, I believe. That of course is much faster. But then I have to admit that suspend to ram and rebooting under Debian are about as fast. And I am starting mail- web- and database services. Which of course doesn't mean that a multi-threaded boot-sequence wouldn't be welcome. There's noting wrong with loading web and database whilst also showing a login prompt. At least with current unstable it seems that gdm has been moved up the boot chain to accommodate for this. It's now at S30gdm, I believe that it used to be S90gdm or something similar. Also, there's insserv. It has taken away about 15 secs of my boot time. # aptitude install insserv # cat /usr/share/doc/insserv/README.Debian After the install, it's a two-step process and you'll have your system booting faster. Beware that the boot messages will be kind of scrambled, though, as it starts services in parallel instead of one by one. I wouldn't suggest using it on anything before Lenny, though. -- Cassiano Leal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
Paul Johnson wrote: I have to wonder how you guys are torturing your systems that they take longer to boot than Vista... 2.8GHz system with 2GB of RAM, Vista takes almost 5 minutes to boot. Debian's at GDM beeping at me to log in in about 45 seconds. Vista defaults to some sort of suspend to ram, I believe. That of course is much faster. But then I have to admit that suspend to ram and rebooting under Debian are about as fast. And I am starting mail- web- and database services. Which of course doesn't mean that a multi-threaded boot-sequence wouldn't be welcome. There's noting wrong with loading web and database whilst also showing a login prompt. Sjoerd -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:22:02 +0100 Sjoerd Hardeman sjo...@lorentz.leidenuniv.nl wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: I have to wonder how you guys are torturing your systems that they take longer to boot than Vista... 2.8GHz system with 2GB of RAM, Vista takes almost 5 minutes to boot. Debian's at GDM beeping at me to log in in about 45 seconds. Vista defaults to some sort of suspend to ram, I believe. That of course is much faster. But then I have to admit that suspend to ram and rebooting under Debian are about as fast. And I am starting mail- web- and database services. Which of course doesn't mean that a multi-threaded boot-sequence wouldn't be welcome. There's noting wrong with loading web and database whilst also showing a login prompt. At least with current unstable it seems that gdm has been moved up the boot chain to accommodate for this. It's now at S30gdm, I believe that it used to be S90gdm or something similar. Sjoerd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
Dean Chester: Is there anyway i can speed up debians boot time. Its embarrassing that Vista boots up quicker than debian. I use insserv on my desktop/laptop computers. My laptop boots in less than a minute from Grub to a usable desktop, including two password prompts (cryptdisks, gdm). Making /bin/sh point to /bin/dash might help a bit, too. And of course, not running Gnome or KDE greatly shortens the time you have to wait after login. J. -- The houses of parliament make me think of school bullies. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
--- On Sun, 1/11/09, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: From: Celejar cele...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Speeding up Debian Boot To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 11:30 PM On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:17:57 -0500 JoeHill joeh...@teksavvy.com wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 01/11/09 11:49, Dean Chester wrote: Hi Is there anyway i can speed up debians boot time. Its embarrassing that Vista boots up quicker than debian. If you only reboot your machine once or twice a month, does it matter whether boot times are slow? maybe if it's a laptop ;) Suspend to disk; once you begin using it, you won't be able to do without it. Celejar The way I see it, Vista might boot a lil' faster, but it's worth the wait for Debian. It might be a bit embarrassing to have Vista boot faster, but at least you don't have to be embarrassed after it's up and runningunlike Vista. Just my humble opinion. Debian ROCKS. Regards. -- Angus All churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Muslim, appear to me no other than human inventions, setup to terrify and enslave mankind - and to monopolize power and profit. -- Thomas Paine (1737-1809) ###Laptop powered by Debian Linux### ##Reg. Linux User #278931## -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
Dean Chester wrote: Hi Is there anyway i can speed up debians boot time. Its embarrassing that Vista boots up quicker than debian. Dean I use nullmailer instead of Exim since I don't need/want to run a mail server and I bring up my networks (wi-fi, lan) manually when I want them. I used bum to stop stuff I didn't feel I want and that helped also. My Toshiba laptop seems to boot in under 30 seconds now. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman’s perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
Dean Chester wrote: Is there anyway i can speed up debians boot time. Its embarrassing that Vista boots up quicker than debian. I'd be shocked to find any machine on which that is true considering my KUbuntu install boots to the desktop faster than XP as measured in minutes. Vista is well beyond XP on boot speed. However there's the ol' parallel trick as well as trying to implement the boot sequence from Pardus (please, Debian, pleease!). -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
The way I see it, Vista might boot a lil' faster, but it's worth the wait for Debian. It might be a bit embarrassing to have Vista boot faster, but at least you don't have to be embarrassed after it's up and runningunlike Vista. Just my humble opinion. Debian ROCKS. Regards. Last time I saw a Vista machine boot, it might have made it to the 'desktop' faster, but it was in no way close to being done.. I believe they have just spread out the services that start up and let as many as possible start while your logging in.. But then again, I wasn't really paying attention nor do I care to go and play with it.. So I guess its a race to see some graphics or have a mouse respond. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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That's after countless of s2disk :-) Wow...had no idea. So badly want a portable. s2disk works on desktops as well. And s2ram too (tho it doesn't work on mine). Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:50:41 -0800 (PST) Angus Auld aonghas_a...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: From: Celejar cele...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Speeding up Debian Boot To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 11:30 PM On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:17:57 -0500 JoeHill joeh...@teksavvy.com wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 01/11/09 11:49, Dean Chester wrote: Hi Is there anyway i can speed up debians boot time. Its embarrassing that Vista boots up quicker than debian. If you only reboot your machine once or twice a month, does it matter whether boot times are slow? maybe if it's a laptop ;) Suspend to disk; once you begin using it, you won't be able to do without it. Celejar The way I see it, Vista might boot a lil' faster, but it's worth the wait for Debian. It might be a bit embarrassing to have Vista boot faster, but at least you don't have to be embarrassed after it's up and runningunlike Vista. From what I remember from vista when I got the computer before I dumped vista, it got relatively quick to the desktop but was unusable for another 5 minutes or so (at least) until it finished getting everything up and running (and that was on the second boot of a new computer with nothing installed just after I setup a basic user on a 2.5ghz core 2 t9300 laptop with 3gb ram). There is a package that reshuffles the startup order which should get you a desktop before everything is started but I don't remember what it is. You may be able to play with the startup order of things to achieve the same effect (not sure what X is dependent on for a proper start) Just my humble opinion. Debian ROCKS. Regards. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 05:49:23PM +, Dean Chester wrote: Hi Is there anyway i can speed up debians boot time. Its embarrassing that Vista boots up quicker than debian. Dean You have failed to define your terms, or to articulate a measurable problem. There are lots of ways to speed up boot times, primarily by removing unnecessary services and avoiding fsck. If you want a less generic answer, ask a less generic question and provide some details. How long does your system actually take to boot? What kind of hardware are you running on? What services are you running? Where is the boot process spending its time? -- Oh, look: rocks! -- Doctor Who, Destiny of the Daleks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
Original Message From: ron.l.john...@cox.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Speeding up Debian Boot Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:36:37 -0600 On 01/11/09 11:49, Dean Chester wrote: Hi Is there anyway i can speed up debians boot time. Its embarrassing that Vista boots up quicker than debian. If you only reboot your machine once or twice a month, does it matter whether boot times are slow? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I am not surprised, for we live long and are celebrated poopers. Also when you boot Vista, booting to the log-in prompt is only part of the boot process. You must also include the time after the login is accepted to load all the applications. The equivalent of these applications are loaded by Debian prior to the login prompt Larry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.d ebian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
Angus Auld wrote: --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: From: Celejar cele...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Speeding up Debian Boot To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 11:30 PM On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:17:57 -0500 JoeHill joeh...@teksavvy.com wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 01/11/09 11:49, Dean Chester wrote: Hi Is there anyway i can speed up debians boot time. Its embarrassing that Vista boots up quicker than debian. If you only reboot your machine once or twice a month, does it matter whether boot times are slow? maybe if it's a laptop ;) Suspend to disk; once you begin using it, you won't be able to do without it. Celejar The way I see it, Vista might boot a lil' faster, but it's worth the wait for Debian. It might be a bit embarrassing to have Vista boot faster, but at least you don't have to be embarrassed after it's up and runningunlike Vista. Just my humble opinion. Debian ROCKS. Regards. I have to wonder how you guys are torturing your systems that they take longer to boot than Vista... 2.8GHz system with 2GB of RAM, Vista takes almost 5 minutes to boot. Debian's at GDM beeping at me to log in in about 45 seconds. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Speeding up Debian Boot
Hi Is there anyway i can speed up debians boot time. Its embarrassing that Vista boots up quicker than debian. Dean
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:49:23 + Dean Chester dean.g.ches...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Is there anyway i can speed up debians boot time. Its embarrassing that Vista boots up quicker than debian. Dean http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/620 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
On 01/11/09 11:49, Dean Chester wrote: Hi Is there anyway i can speed up debians boot time. Its embarrassing that Vista boots up quicker than debian. If you only reboot your machine once or twice a month, does it matter whether boot times are slow? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I am not surprised, for we live long and are celebrated poopers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
Pavlos Parissis wrote: On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:49:23 + Dean Chester dean.g.ches...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Is there anyway i can speed up debians boot time. Its embarrassing that Vista boots up quicker than debian. Dean http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/620 good hint Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
Ron Johnson wrote: On 01/11/09 11:49, Dean Chester wrote: Hi Is there anyway i can speed up debians boot time. Its embarrassing that Vista boots up quicker than debian. If you only reboot your machine once or twice a month, does it matter whether boot times are slow? maybe if it's a laptop ;) -- J -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
On 01/11/09 16:17, JoeHill wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 01/11/09 11:49, Dean Chester wrote: Hi Is there anyway i can speed up debians boot time. Its embarrassing that Vista boots up quicker than debian. If you only reboot your machine once or twice a month, does it matter whether boot times are slow? maybe if it's a laptop ;) Laps are for girls, not computers. (Is that ragingly sexist?) -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I am not surprised, for we live long and are celebrated poopers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:17:57 -0500 JoeHill joeh...@teksavvy.com wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 01/11/09 11:49, Dean Chester wrote: Hi Is there anyway i can speed up debians boot time. Its embarrassing that Vista boots up quicker than debian. If you only reboot your machine once or twice a month, does it matter whether boot times are slow? maybe if it's a laptop ;) Suspend to disk; once you begin using it, you won't be able to do without it. Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
Ron Johnson wrote: On 01/11/09 16:17, JoeHill wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 01/11/09 11:49, Dean Chester wrote: Hi Is there anyway i can speed up debians boot time. Its embarrassing that Vista boots up quicker than debian. If you only reboot your machine once or twice a month, does it matter whether boot times are slow? maybe if it's a laptop ;) Laps are for girls, not computers. Desks can be for girls too, depends on who you work with. (Is that ragingly sexist?) If it is, I'm in real trouble now. -- J -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
Celejar wrote: On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:17:57 -0500 JoeHill joeh...@teksavvy.com wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 01/11/09 11:49, Dean Chester wrote: Hi Is there anyway i can speed up debians boot time. Its embarrassing that Vista boots up quicker than debian. If you only reboot your machine once or twice a month, does it matter whether boot times are slow? maybe if it's a laptop ;) Suspend to disk; once you begin using it, you won't be able to do without it. How long does that last? Could you suspend to disk while you're commuting for, say, an hour or more? -- J -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 06:42:37PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: Celejar wrote: Suspend to disk; once you begin using it, you won't be able to do without it. How long does that last? Could you suspend to disk while you're commuting for, say, an hour or more? Suspend to ram: much faster, but time-limited (memory runs on the battery. Suspend to disk: slowwer, but unlimited in time. $ uptime 01:51:08 up 130 days, 3:35, 4 users, load average: 1.28, 1.21, 1.14 That's after countless of s2disk :-) -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 06:42:37PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: Celejar wrote: Suspend to disk; once you begin using it, you won't be able to do without it. How long does that last? Could you suspend to disk while you're commuting for, say, an hour or more? Suspend to ram: much faster, but time-limited (memory runs on the battery. Suspend to disk: slowwer, but unlimited in time. $ uptime 01:51:08 up 130 days, 3:35, 4 users, load average: 1.28, 1.21, 1.14 That's after countless of s2disk :-) Wow...had no idea. So badly want a portable. -- J -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
JoeHill wrote: Wow...had no idea. So badly want a portable. PROTIP: Buy a share of IBM stock. IBM shareholders get nice discounts on Lenovo ThinkPads. I love my A32 and T400. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
