Re: Status of java-package
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 07:34:59PM +0200, Erwan David wrote: I am surprised of the disapperance of javaws, since many mangement console use them... And I do not count on hardware (or SOC) vendors to upgrade them to whatever the new scheme will be. It's better in the long term to keep around a dedicated vm to talk to the old stuff than carry old unmaintained java forever forward. The resources to maintain a bunch of old java releases simply don't exist. Mike Stone
Re: Status of java-package
Le 08/22/18 à 18:32, Sven Hoexter a écrit : > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 04:10:29PM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > > Hi, > >> Thanks. Alas I have some mangement console for (surprise ?) oracle SAN >> storage which only work with oracle Java. I'll keep an working one for >> this... > I hope it's not something based on Webstart? Because Webstart will no > longer be part of Java 11. So I guess at least some of us will have to > keep a copy of a JRE with javaws around for some time. > That is also the reason why the Java 8 support in the current java-package > shipped in Debian is kind of sufficient. Java 9 and 10 are only short > term releases and starting with Java 11 quite a few things will change, > and I think there is no real need for this repackaging of Oracle JREs > anymore. > > Cheers, > Sven > > Alas java .class compiled with java 10 cannot be run by a java 8 VM, so it is difficult. I'll keep a copy of java 8 or 10 for those things. I am surprised of the disapperance of javaws, since many mangement console use them... And I do not count on hardware (or SOC) vendors to upgrade them to whatever the new scheme will be.
Re: Status of java-package
Hi, I downloaded all 3 DVD images for Debian 9.5 I installed the first one, but I would like to know how can I check the other two DVDs to see if there is software I might want to use/install. Thanks, Sent from BlueMail On Aug 22, 2018, 10:34 AM, at 10:34 AM, Sven Hoexter wrote: >On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 04:10:29PM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > >Hi, > >> Thanks. Alas I have some mangement console for (surprise ?) oracle >SAN >> storage which only work with oracle Java. I'll keep an working one >for >> this... > >I hope it's not something based on Webstart? Because Webstart will no >longer be part of Java 11. So I guess at least some of us will have to >keep a copy of a JRE with javaws around for some time. >That is also the reason why the Java 8 support in the current >java-package >shipped in Debian is kind of sufficient. Java 9 and 10 are only short >term releases and starting with Java 11 quite a few things will change, >and I think there is no real need for this repackaging of Oracle JREs >anymore. > >Cheers, >Sven
Re: Status of java-package
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 04:10:29PM +0200, Erwan David wrote: Hi, > Thanks. Alas I have some mangement console for (surprise ?) oracle SAN > storage which only work with oracle Java. I'll keep an working one for > this... I hope it's not something based on Webstart? Because Webstart will no longer be part of Java 11. So I guess at least some of us will have to keep a copy of a JRE with javaws around for some time. That is also the reason why the Java 8 support in the current java-package shipped in Debian is kind of sufficient. Java 9 and 10 are only short term releases and starting with Java 11 quite a few things will change, and I think there is no real need for this repackaging of Oracle JREs anymore. Cheers, Sven
Re: Status of java-package
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 11:55:49AM CEST, Sven Hoexter said: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 05:49:19PM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > > Hi, > > > > This package makes a .deb from oracle .tar.gz It does not package java > > 9 nor java 10. Is there a problem with those versions ? Is the > > packaged abandonned, and in this case is there anotehr method to uses > > oracle JRE on debian ? > > I'm currently maintaining my own fork because I did not get around > to properly hijack the package. I had at some point contact with one > of the prior maintainers but we could not get around merging my Java 9 > changes at that point. > > So for now my fork is here: > https://git.sven.stormbind.net/?p=sven/java-package.git;a=summary > > Usage instruction if you do not want to build a Debian package out > of it: > https://sven.stormbind.net/blog/posts/deb_java-package-oracle-jdk9/ > > > It's not completely polished but I'm reluctant to invest more time > because I assume we all move on to OpenJDK in some form in Januar 2019. > > Context: > As far as I know Oracle JRE/JDK builds will be only available for paying > customers on a contract by September 2018 for Java 11 and January 2019 > for Java 8. At that point everyone else will propably migrate to some form > of OpenJDK. If it's the one shipped by your distro or 3rd parties like > Azul needs to be determined on a case by case basis I guess. > There will still be reference binary OpenJDK builds published on > jdk.java.net but I'm not sure if it's worth to provide support for them > in java-package. > > > Cheers, > Sven Thanks. Alas I have some mangement console for (surprise ?) oracle SAN storage which only work with oracle Java. I'll keep an working one for this... -- Erwan
Re: Status of java-package
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 12:30:49PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: Hi, > Incidentally, it has been a long time since I encountered any Java that > would run on the Oracle JVM but not on OpenJDK. Are you sure you need > to even bother with the Oracle JVM? The main point so far was to aid debugging because you could be certain on which code base you build and run it. If everyone is using a slightly different build it's quite hard to track down bugs. In one of my past jobs someone actually found three bugs in the JVM and we once were victim of a regression in the expat parsers in a few Java releases. If you can not say for sure at which exact version your developers are, and which one you use in production, and that often across Windows, OS X, and various Linux distributions, the situation can be quite unpleasant. I actually do not care for my desktop system at home, but if you run a lot of stuff on the JVM in production, it can be an issue. Sven
Re: Status of java-package
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 05:49:19PM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > Hi, > > This package makes a .deb from oracle .tar.gz It does not package java > 9 nor java 10. Is there a problem with those versions ? Is the > packaged abandonned, and in this case is there anotehr method to uses > oracle JRE on debian ? I'm currently maintaining my own fork because I did not get around to properly hijack the package. I had at some point contact with one of the prior maintainers but we could not get around merging my Java 9 changes at that point. So for now my fork is here: https://git.sven.stormbind.net/?p=sven/java-package.git;a=summary Usage instruction if you do not want to build a Debian package out of it: https://sven.stormbind.net/blog/posts/deb_java-package-oracle-jdk9/ It's not completely polished but I'm reluctant to invest more time because I assume we all move on to OpenJDK in some form in Januar 2019. Context: As far as I know Oracle JRE/JDK builds will be only available for paying customers on a contract by September 2018 for Java 11 and January 2019 for Java 8. At that point everyone else will propably migrate to some form of OpenJDK. If it's the one shipped by your distro or 3rd parties like Azul needs to be determined on a case by case basis I guess. There will still be reference binary OpenJDK builds published on jdk.java.net but I'm not sure if it's worth to provide support for them in java-package. Cheers, Sven
Re: Status of java-package
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 05:49:19PM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > Hi, > > This package makes a .deb from oracle .tar.gz It does not package java > 9 nor java 10. Is there a problem with those versions ? Is the > packaged abandonned, and in this case is there anotehr method to uses > oracle JRE on debian ? > I don't know about java-package, as I have not used it many years. However, you can download the .tar.gz and just unpack it (I would think /opt is a good choice of target location). Or you can download the .rpm and use alien to turn it into a .deb. Incidentally, it has been a long time since I encountered any Java that would run on the Oracle JVM but not on OpenJDK. Are you sure you need to even bother with the Oracle JVM? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez
Status of java-package
Hi, This package makes a .deb from oracle .tar.gz It does not package java 9 nor java 10. Is there a problem with those versions ? Is the packaged abandonned, and in this case is there anotehr method to uses oracle JRE on debian ? -- Erwan
