[OT] Wheezy release goals (was Re: Is there anything wrong with sticking with Lenny?)

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:04:19PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> [OT] Have the Wheezy release goals been published?  I hope that multi-arch 
> APT 
> and wide (>%80 of main) package support is one of them.

http://release.debian.org/wheezy/goals.txt

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Re: Is there anything wrong with sticking with Lenny?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Wednesday 23 February 2011 13:56:54 Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:53:39 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > By your numbers it's about 4 years (2 years as stable and 2 years as
> > oldstable), but in fact it's only about 3 years (aprox. 2 years as
> > stable and 1 year as oldstable).
> 
> Nope, I expect "a minimum" of 2 years of full security patches support
> (the longer, the better), more or less because Debian has not a fixed
> release cycle like other distributions.

Note that Debian doesn't guarantee 2 years.  It would take some remarkably 
quick releases (harkening back to the buzz-rex-bo releases) to give some 
release less than 2 years, but I suppose it could happen.  (The repositories 
are /only/ 300 times the size of the bo repository.)

[OT] Have the Wheezy release goals been published?  I hope that multi-arch APT 
and wide (>%80 of main) package support is one of them.
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Re: Is there anything wrong with sticking with Lenny?

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:33:45 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> On Wednesday 23 February 2011 12:53:39 Andrei Popescu wrote:
>> On Mi, 23 feb 11, 17:01:41, Camaleón wrote:
>> > (effective
>> > Debian support for releases is about 2 years).
>> 
>> By your numbers it's about 4 years (2 years as stable and 2 years as
>> oldstable), but in fact it's only about 3 years (aprox. 2 years as
>> stable and 1 year as oldstable).
> 
> If you need longer support, and Ubuntu LTS is derived from Debian
> packaging and supported for 5 years on "servers".  

I don't see my self with Ubuntu/Canonical.

> SLED/SLES and RHEL
> might provide that length of support as well, but they are not derived
> from Debian packages.

Novell (SLES/SLED owner) is now almost dead (as company, not their linux 
distribution) because of the buyout by Attachmate which should be 
finishes in a few weeks. And openSUSE (which I left a year ago) has a 
short-term release cycle and support (18 months). There is a new effort 
in making a long-term supported openSUSE distribution by means of the 
Evergreen project.

RedHat (or CentOS) sounds interesting, but I prefer to keep Debian.
 
(...)

> Debian is the best, most free distribution out there, in part because of
> the excellent support provided by DDs.

Yes, it can sound a bit strange but having no company behind the 
distribution seems to me like a big "plus" :-)

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Re: Is there anything wrong with sticking with Lenny?

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:53:39 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:

> On Mi, 23 feb 11, 17:01:41, Camaleón wrote:
>> 
>> Lenny will drop security patches when wheezy comes out
> 
> or one year after the release of squeeze, whichever comes first[1]

Sure. I hope Wheezy is not released tomorrow :-)

  (effective
>> Debian support for releases is about 2 years).
> 
> By your numbers it's about 4 years (2 years as stable and 2 years as
> oldstable), but in fact it's only about 3 years (aprox. 2 years as
> stable and 1 year as oldstable).

Nope, I expect "a minimum" of 2 years of full security patches support 
(the longer, the better), more or less because Debian has not a fixed 
release cycle like other distributions.

> [1] http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan

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Re: Is there anything wrong with sticking with Lenny?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Wednesday 23 February 2011 12:53:39 Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mi, 23 feb 11, 17:01:41, Camaleón wrote:
> > (effective
> > Debian support for releases is about 2 years).
> 
> By your numbers it's about 4 years (2 years as stable and 2 years as
> oldstable), but in fact it's only about 3 years (aprox. 2 years as
> stable and 1 year as oldstable).

If you need longer support, and Ubuntu LTS is derived from Debian packaging 
and supported for 5 years on "servers".  SLED/SLES and RHEL might provide that 
length of support as well, but they are not derived from Debian packages.  

However, any of these solutions will be rather limiting as far as which 
packages get support.  Debian supports all of main at the same level.  Debian 
usually supports contrib at the same level, but the Depends/Recommends on non-
free make things difficult at times.  Of course, much of non-free is largely 
unsupportable, due to the inability to view / modify the source code.  The 
Ubuntu support is only main/restricted not universe/multiverse.  SLES/SLED 
have a fairly complex support matrix, but intentionally don't include less 
popular or non-"core" packages; this leaves users to get many packages from 
semi-official or completely unofficial projects on the OBS.  I've not looked 
too hard into the support profile for RHEL, but I imagine it as similar to 
SLES/SLED.

Debian is the best, most free distribution out there, in part because of the 
excellent support provided by DDs.
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Re: Is there anything wrong with sticking with Lenny?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mi, 23 feb 11, 17:01:41, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> Lenny will drop security patches when wheezy comes out

or one year after the release of squeeze, whichever comes first[1]

  (effective 
> Debian support for releases is about 2 years).

By your numbers it's about 4 years (2 years as stable and 2 years as 
oldstable), but in fact it's only about 3 years (aprox. 2 years as 
stable and 1 year as oldstable).

[1] http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan

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Re: Is there anything wrong with sticking with Lenny?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:35:19 -0600, Jason Hsu wrote:

(...)

> Is there anything wrong with sticking with Debian Lenny?  

I hope not. I'm also with lenny and won't upgrade until wheezy :-)

> Does Debian shut down support for old versions like Ubuntu does?  

Lenny will drop security patches when wheezy comes out (effective Debian 
support for releases is about 2 years).

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Re: Is there anything wrong with sticking with Lenny?

[Jari Fredriksson]

On 23.2.2011 3:35, Jason Hsu wrote:
> If that doesn't work, I'll do a fresh installation of Lenny on the old
computer, upgrade it to Squeeze, and then set it up as a firewall/server.
> 

I hope you have Lenny full CD disk images available. Net Install does
not work any more.

I just reinstalled a Lenny, after failed upgrade to Squeeze. It was
pain, until I finally found a CD1.iso for Lenny. Even with that, you
have to use "expert install" or whatever it is, the default simple route
tries to find software from security.debian.org (even when no mirrors
are selected) and fails.








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Re: Is there anything wrong with sticking with Lenny?

[Michael Thompson]

>
>
> http://www.ipcop.org/
> http://www.smoothwall.org/
>
> The two are very similar and have the same roots.  SmoothWall offers a
> commercial version with official paid support.  IPCop does not.
> Commercial paid support for IPCop comes strictly from 3rd parties.  In
> your case I'm guessing you don't want paid support, so either should be
> just fine for you.  Both will be better as dedicated firewalls than
> building a f/w from scratch with Debian.
>
> --
> Stan
>
Both are extremly good firewalls. I built a firewall system from scratch
using Gentoo. The learning experiance is good building a firewall system,
and dont discount Debian from the job. A non X install, and some command
line knowledge, and you will enjoy the fact you created it, and not locked
in.

Re: Is there anything wrong with sticking with Lenny?

[Stan Hoeppner]

Jason Hsu put forth on 2/22/2011 7:35 PM:
> Thanks for the help on upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze.  It's hard to 
> understand everything in the release notes, so it will take me some time to 
> make the transition.
> 
> Is there anything wrong with sticking with Debian Lenny?  Does Debian shut 
> down support for old versions like Ubuntu does?  As I mentioned before, 
> Debian Squeeze does not work on my old computer (1.0 GHz processor, 256 MB of 
> RAM) even though Debian Lenny and antiX Linux M8.5 (based on Debian Squeeze) 
> have no problems working on the same computer.  It's a shame given that old 
> computers normally work well as servers and firewalls.
> 
> Learning to set up a firewall and server AND learning to properly upgrade 
> Debian is too much for me to undertake at once.  So what I'm going to do is 
> set up my old computer as a firewall and server in Debian Lenny.  I'll set up 
> Lenny in VirtualBox on my newer computer (which is 5 years newer and has much 
> higher specs) and upgrade Lenny to Squeeze.  Once I've mastered both of these 
> tasks (firewall/server on the old computer and Lenny to Squeeze upgrade in 
> VirtualBox), I'll upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze on the old computer.  If that 
> doesn't work, I'll do a fresh installation of Lenny on the old computer, 
> upgrade it to Squeeze, and then set it up as a firewall/server.

Forget the server part and just make it a firewall.  You'll probably
need two NICs, one for public and one for private.  Use IPCop or
SmoothWall instead of Debian.  They're both purpose built Linux firewall
distros and very easy to setup and use.  Both have a web administration
GUI for configuring all aspects of the firewall, viewing graphs of
traffic trends and all other kinds of neat stuff.

http://www.ipcop.org/
http://www.smoothwall.org/

The two are very similar and have the same roots.  SmoothWall offers a
commercial version with official paid support.  IPCop does not.
Commercial paid support for IPCop comes strictly from 3rd parties.  In
your case I'm guessing you don't want paid support, so either should be
just fine for you.  Both will be better as dedicated firewalls than
building a f/w from scratch with Debian.

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Re: Is there anything wrong with sticking with Lenny?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <20110222193519.538b384f.jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com>, Jason Hsu wrote:
>Is there anything wrong with sticking with Debian Lenny?

Yes and no.  The longer you wait after the Squeeze release the less of the 
community will have Lenny and be able to easily answer your questions.

>Does Debian shut
>down support for old versions like Ubuntu does?

Eventually, yes.  Right now is has approximately the same support it has as 
stable.  Lenny will receive security bug fixes and a few high priority bug 
fixes until support completely ends.  That support ends either at the time 
Wheezy is released or 2012-02-06 (1 year after the Squeeze release) whichever 
comes first.

There's still plenty of time to work on the transition, but you should be 
working toward that goal.

Even after support ends, archive.d.o will contain the last state of the Lenny 
repositories.  snapshot.d.o also keeps dated versions of basically everything 
that appears on ftp.us.d.o.

>As I mentioned before,
>Debian Squeeze does not work on my old computer (1.0 GHz processor, 256 MB
>of RAM) even though Debian Lenny and antiX Linux M8.5 (based on Debian
>Squeeze) have no problems working on the same computer.  It's a shame given
>that old computers normally work well as servers and firewalls.

I have Squeeze running fine on a VPS with less-capable specifications.  So, 
it should work.  You may have to choose a desktop environment that is less 
featureful or otherwise target a low-memory systems, (e.g. KDE 4 is unlikely 
to perform well with less of a Gig of memory) but there shouldn't be any lack 
of hardware support.

It is rather rare for Free Software to remove working code, but it can happen 
if no one will update the code for new dependencies.  (E.g. dropping Gtk-1.x 
libraries did and dropping KDE-3 libraries may entail dropping programs that 
no one will pay enough attention to in order to use newer libraries.)

I'm certainly "survived" for days or weeks without X11 even installed.  Mutt, 
W3M, screen, and a plethora of curses or plain text applications are actually 
quite capable and generally use *far* fewer system resources.

>Learning to set up a firewall and server AND learning to properly upgrade
>Debian is too much for me to undertake at once.  So what I'm going to do is
>set up my old computer as a firewall and server in Debian Lenny.  I'll set
>up Lenny in VirtualBox on my newer computer (which is 5 years newer and has
>much higher specs) and upgrade Lenny to Squeeze.  Once I've mastered both
>of these tasks (firewall/server on the old computer and Lenny to Squeeze
>upgrade in VirtualBox), I'll upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze on the old
>computer.

Well, it sounds like you have a migration plan, so I wouldn't worry too much 
about keeping Lenny around for a bit longer.
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Re: Is there anything wrong with sticking with Lenny?

[John Hasler]

Jason Hsu writes:
> Is there anything wrong with sticking with Debian Lenny?

No.

> Does Debian shut down support for old versions like Ubuntu does?

Support will continue for a couple of years.  Look into backports.
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Is there anything wrong with sticking with Lenny?

[Jason Hsu]

Thanks for the help on upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze.  It's hard to 
understand everything in the release notes, so it will take me some time to 
make the transition.

Is there anything wrong with sticking with Debian Lenny?  Does Debian shut down 
support for old versions like Ubuntu does?  As I mentioned before, Debian 
Squeeze does not work on my old computer (1.0 GHz processor, 256 MB of RAM) 
even though Debian Lenny and antiX Linux M8.5 (based on Debian Squeeze) have no 
problems working on the same computer.  It's a shame given that old computers 
normally work well as servers and firewalls.

Learning to set up a firewall and server AND learning to properly upgrade 
Debian is too much for me to undertake at once.  So what I'm going to do is set 
up my old computer as a firewall and server in Debian Lenny.  I'll set up Lenny 
in VirtualBox on my newer computer (which is 5 years newer and has much higher 
specs) and upgrade Lenny to Squeeze.  Once I've mastered both of these tasks 
(firewall/server on the old computer and Lenny to Squeeze upgrade in 
VirtualBox), I'll upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze on the old computer.  If that 
doesn't work, I'll do a fresh installation of Lenny on the old computer, 
upgrade it to Squeeze, and then set it up as a firewall/server.

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Re: Sticking with Lenny

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:30:17 +, Lisi wrote:

> On Tuesday 08 February 2011 15:03:35 Camaleón wrote:
>> So, no more packages for lenny on D-M?
> 
> No - and D-M needs to be removed, or at least commented out, from
> sources.list.

Wait... why? There are still repos holding the old packages.

What I meant is that there won't be more updates in D-M for lenny (i.e., 
flashplayer package updates) but the "old ones" can be still useful for 
people who need them.

> Or, of course, one can live with the errors that are thrown up every
> time that one upgrades.

Or you can point your "sources.list" D-M entry to the repo that has the 
archived packages ;-)

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Re: Sticking with Lenny

[Lisi]

On Tuesday 08 February 2011 15:03:35 Camaleón wrote:
> So, no more packages for lenny on D-M?

No - and D-M needs to be removed, or at least commented out, from 
sources.list.

Or, of course, one can live with the errors that are thrown up every time that 
one upgrades. 

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Re: Sticking with Lenny

[Tom H]

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Andrei Popescu  wrote:
> On Ma, 08 feb 11, 20:14:41, Tom H wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Andrei Popescu  
>> wrote:
>> > On Ma, 08 feb 11, 14:28:34, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> >> In <20110208174911.GT6759@think.homelan>, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >you can run
>> >> >
>> >> >    aptitude search ~S~i~Astable
>> >> >
>> >> >to get the list of packages from stable/squeeze.
>> >>
>> >> Depends.  The argument of ~A ("stable" in this case) is used as a regular
>> >> expression.  That regular expression also matches packages from the 
>> >> "unstable"
>> >> archive.  (Use "^stable$" instead for an exact match.)
>> >
>> > Good catch. Wish it was possible to search by codename, would make
>> > things clearer.
>>
>> You can use "-F '...%t...'" to display the archive by codename.
>
> But how do you search for it?

Just prepend or append  "-F '%p %t'" (to get program name and archive)
to the search above.


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Re: Sticking with Lenny

[Andrei Popescu]

On Ma, 08 feb 11, 20:14:41, Tom H wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Andrei Popescu  
> wrote:
> > On Ma, 08 feb 11, 14:28:34, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> >> In <20110208174911.GT6759@think.homelan>, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> >> >
> >> >you can run
> >> >
> >> >    aptitude search ~S~i~Astable
> >> >
> >> >to get the list of packages from stable/squeeze.
> >>
> >> Depends.  The argument of ~A ("stable" in this case) is used as a regular
> >> expression.  That regular expression also matches packages from the 
> >> "unstable"
> >> archive.  (Use "^stable$" instead for an exact match.)
> >
> > Good catch. Wish it was possible to search by codename, would make
> > things clearer.
> 
> You can use "-F '...%t...'" to display the archive by codename.

Bah, the %t seemed familiar, I added it to my default display in 
interactive view, but it's displaying only the release, not the 
codename.

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Re: Sticking with Lenny

[Andrei Popescu]

On Ma, 08 feb 11, 20:14:41, Tom H wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Andrei Popescu  
> wrote:
> > On Ma, 08 feb 11, 14:28:34, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> >> In <20110208174911.GT6759@think.homelan>, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> >> >
> >> >you can run
> >> >
> >> >    aptitude search ~S~i~Astable
> >> >
> >> >to get the list of packages from stable/squeeze.
> >>
> >> Depends.  The argument of ~A ("stable" in this case) is used as a regular
> >> expression.  That regular expression also matches packages from the 
> >> "unstable"
> >> archive.  (Use "^stable$" instead for an exact match.)
> >
> > Good catch. Wish it was possible to search by codename, would make
> > things clearer.
> 
> You can use "-F '...%t...'" to display the archive by codename.

But how do you search for it?

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Re: Sticking with Lenny

[Tom H]

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Andrei Popescu  wrote:
> On Ma, 08 feb 11, 14:28:34, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> In <20110208174911.GT6759@think.homelan>, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>> >
>> >you can run
>> >
>> >    aptitude search ~S~i~Astable
>> >
>> >to get the list of packages from stable/squeeze.
>>
>> Depends.  The argument of ~A ("stable" in this case) is used as a regular
>> expression.  That regular expression also matches packages from the 
>> "unstable"
>> archive.  (Use "^stable$" instead for an exact match.)
>
> Good catch. Wish it was possible to search by codename, would make
> things clearer.

You can use "-F '...%t...'" to display the archive by codename.


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Re: Sticking with Lenny

[Andrei Popescu]

On Ma, 08 feb 11, 14:28:34, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <20110208174911.GT6759@think.homelan>, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> >you can run
> >
> >aptitude search ~S~i~Astable
> >
> >to get the list of packages from stable/squeeze.
> 
> Depends.  The argument of ~A ("stable" in this case) is used as a regular 
> expression.  That regular expression also matches packages from the 
> "unstable" 
> archive.  (Use "^stable$" instead for an exact match.)

Good catch. Wish it was possible to search by codename, would make 
things clearer.

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Re: Sticking with Lenny

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <20110208174911.GT6759@think.homelan>, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>you can run
>
>aptitude search ~S~i~Astable
>
>to get the list of packages from stable/squeeze.

Depends.  The argument of ~A ("stable" in this case) is used as a regular 
expression.  That regular expression also matches packages from the "unstable" 
archive.  (Use "^stable$" instead for an exact match.)

It's somewhat rare, and entirely unsupported, to mix stable packages with 
unstable packages, but I've done it before to my benefit.  When you are doing 
something like that, you have to be quite aware of the intricacies of 
aptitude's search.
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Re: Sticking with Lenny

[Andrei Popescu]

On Ma, 08 feb 11, 15:22:08, Bernard wrote:
> 
> My 'sources.list' has a few calls for 'stable', and some calls for
> 'lenny'. How am I to know for sure whether or not I have already
> installed packages from Squeeze ? Last package I installed was
> 'xine-ui' and, not later than 2-3 days ago, I have installed
> libdvdcss2 and w32codecs. How am I to know whether it is too late to
> changes calls to "stable" to calls to "Lenny" ?

First change all occurrences of 'stable' to 'lenny' and run an 'update'. 
This can't hurt even if you did install some packages from squeeze. Then 
you can run

aptitude search ~S~i~Astable

to get the list of packages from stable/squeeze. You might want to try 
that with 'testing' as well, since I saw a testing entry in your 
sources.list.

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Re: Sticking with Lenny

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 15:22:08 +0100, Bernard wrote:

> I feel quite embarrassed in reading this above. I am still on Lenny, and
> wishes to remain that way for as long as possible, hopefully until I buy
> a new computer.
> 
> My 'sources.list' has a few calls for 'stable', and some calls for
> 'lenny'. 

That also hapenned to me on one box. One of the repositories was pointing 
to "stable" and after doing an "apt-get update && apt-get -V upgrade" I 
got over 400 new packages :-)

Of course, I said "no" to the question about the upgrade.

> How am I to know for sure whether or not I have already
> installed packages from Squeeze ? Last package I installed was 'xine-ui'
> and, not later than 2-3 days ago, I have installed libdvdcss2 and
> w32codecs. How am I to know whether it is too late to changes calls to
> "stable" to calls to "Lenny" ?

dpkg -l  will tell what version is installed.

> I thought that Squeeze had not yet been acknowledged as 'stable', but,
> obviously, I failed to keep informed in due time.
> 
> Below is the content of my source.list:
> 
> deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
   ^^

Change that to "lenny"

> http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ testing main contrib non-free
^^^

Change that to "lenny".

Okay, at least your "libdvdcss2" probably came from D-M testing... 

Hum, what hapenned with debian-multimedia lenny packages, are they gone? 
I see this notice:

***
07/02/2011 :
Oldstable is completely broken and I can't restore this release, so the 
best is to remove Oldstable.
Sorry
***

So, no more packages for lenny on D-M?

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Re: Sticking with Lenny

[Sjoerd Hardeman]

Bernard schreef:

Dave Sherohman wrote:



 

Should I be specifying lenny instead of stable,


...

I feel quite embarrassed in reading this above. I am still on Lenny, and 
wishes to remain that way for as long as possible, hopefully until I buy 
a new computer.
Don't try for longer than a year, because then security updates will 
stop for oldstable.


My 'sources.list' has a few calls for 'stable', and some calls for 
'lenny'. How am I to know for sure whether or not I have already 
installed packages from Squeeze ? Last package I installed was 'xine-ui' 
and, not later than 2-3 days ago, I have installed libdvdcss2 and 
w32codecs. How am I to know whether it is too late to changes calls to 
"stable" to calls to "Lenny" ?

Squeeze hit stable 2 days ago.


I thought that Squeeze had not yet been acknowledged as 'stable', but, 
obviously, I failed to keep informed in due time.


Below is the content of my source.list:

deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib
deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main
deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ testing main contrib non-free
Change all stable to "lenny". If all 'still works' and you can't 
remember a ton up updates, you'll probably still have lenny.


Sjoerd



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Re: Sticking with Lenny

[Bernard]

Dave Sherohman wrote:



  

Should I be specifying lenny instead of stable,



Yes, if you want to stay on lenny until further notice.

Personally, I always use the version names, so I'm not 100% certain that
it's still around, but I believe you could also use old-stable to
continue tracking lenny (at least until wheeze comes out, at which point
old-stable will become squeeze).

  
or am  
I already too late to do that?



If you've already done any updates which have installed packages from
squeeze, then it's too late with respect to those packages (apt won't
automatically downgrade the squeeze versions back to a lenny version),
but, aside from that, changing from stable to lenny shouldn't cause any
problems.

  
I feel quite embarrassed in reading this above. I am still on Lenny, and 
wishes to remain that way for as long as possible, hopefully until I buy 
a new computer.


My 'sources.list' has a few calls for 'stable', and some calls for 
'lenny'. How am I to know for sure whether or not I have already 
installed packages from Squeeze ? Last package I installed was 'xine-ui' 
and, not later than 2-3 days ago, I have installed libdvdcss2 and 
w32codecs. How am I to know whether it is too late to changes calls to 
"stable" to calls to "Lenny" ?


I thought that Squeeze had not yet been acknowledged as 'stable', but, 
obviously, I failed to keep informed in due time.


Below is the content of my source.list:

deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib
deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main
deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ testing main contrib non-free

Thanks in advance for your advices


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Re: Sticking with Lenny

[Tony van der Hoff]

On 08/02/11 11:59, Dave Sherohman wrote:

On Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at 11:27:55AM +, Tony van der Hoff wrote:

deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free

...

What happens in this case? Presumably updates will be taken from the new
stable repository?


Correct.


Should I be specifying lenny instead of stable,


Yes, if you want to stay on lenny until further notice.

Personally, I always use the version names, so I'm not 100% certain that
it's still around, but I believe you could also use old-stable to
continue tracking lenny (at least until wheeze comes out, at which point
old-stable will become squeeze).


or am
I already too late to do that?


If you've already done any updates which have installed packages from
squeeze, then it's too late with respect to those packages (apt won't
automatically downgrade the squeeze versions back to a lenny version),
but, aside from that, changing from stable to lenny shouldn't cause any
problems.



Thanks guys; sources.list edited, and apt-get update has run.

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Re: Sticking with Lenny

[Dave Sherohman]

On Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at 11:27:55AM +, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
> deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
...
> What happens in this case? Presumably updates will be taken from the new  
> stable repository?

Correct.

> Should I be specifying lenny instead of stable,

Yes, if you want to stay on lenny until further notice.

Personally, I always use the version names, so I'm not 100% certain that
it's still around, but I believe you could also use old-stable to
continue tracking lenny (at least until wheeze comes out, at which point
old-stable will become squeeze).

> or am  
> I already too late to do that?

If you've already done any updates which have installed packages from
squeeze, then it's too late with respect to those packages (apt won't
automatically downgrade the squeeze versions back to a lenny version),
but, aside from that, changing from stable to lenny shouldn't cause any
problems.

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Re: Sticking with Lenny

[Jochen Schulz]

Tony van der Hoff:
>
> I have a headless VPS running Lenny. For the time being, until I get
> some time to attend to it, I wish to keep it that way. However, my
> sources.list points to "stable":

Then change that to "lenny" and run apt-get update. If you didn't
install any packages from squeeze (which you would remember since it
would pull in tons of upgrades), it's not too late to do that.

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Sticking with Lenny

[Tony van der Hoff]

I have a headless VPS running Lenny. For the time being, until I get 
some time to attend to it, I wish to keep it that way. However, my 
sources.list points to "stable":


deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian stable  main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free

What happens in this case? Presumably updates will be taken from the new 
stable repository? Should I be specifying lenny instead of stable, or am 
I already too late to do that?


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