Re: Stripped down versions of software
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:38:34 +0100, Piers Kittel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hello, > > > First of all, google for what type of memory your laptop can take > > and how much it can take, then hit ebay. Trust me - X is greedy. > > If you can get 64M or 96M you'll be happier then with 16M. > > Unfortunately, the laptop can only take 20Mb - 4Mb onboard, 16Mb added > on - there are 8Mb versions of the laptop, but I think they'd be a tad > hard to find ;) > > Am hoping to find out how to use X over the network, after all, I've > got an Athlon XP 1700+ PC - would be nice to have 1.4GHz of power on a > 100MHz laptop ;) ..check out http://damnsmalllinux.org/ ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stripped down versions of software
Hello, First of all, google for what type of memory your laptop can take and how much it can take, then hit ebay. Trust me - X is greedy. If you can get 64M or 96M you'll be happier then with 16M. Unfortunately, the laptop can only take 20Mb - 4Mb onboard, 16Mb added on - there are 8Mb versions of the laptop, but I think they'd be a tad hard to find ;) Am hoping to find out how to use X over the network, after all, I've got an Athlon XP 1700+ PC - would be nice to have 1.4GHz of power on a 100MHz laptop ;) Cheers - Piers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stripped down versions of software
Jesse Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [25 Aug 2003 15:08 -0500]: > (ratpoison is an interesting window manager since it is very > minimal and maximizes each window - I find it useful for 640x480 > resolutions, but at 800x600, lines get too long in terminals for > my tastes) You could use a larger font. > Dillo is probably a better choice. > > For non-graphical, check out w3m or lynx. I use ratpoison and dillo on a Pentium 200 MHz w/40MB RAM. "w3m-img provides some utilities to support inline images for w3m on terminal emulator in X Window System environments and linux framebuffer." Dillo renders faster than w3m with images, don't know which one uses more memory. w3m's scrolling with images is pretty rough. Lynx on the console will launch zgv to display images, one at a time. Geordie. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stripped down versions of software
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:34:34 -0700 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I never understood why the lynx team had such a hard time with that > one. I remember using lynx at the library on a WYSE terminal in > elementary school (I'm 21) before tables came out and it was a > mindblowing web-browser considering the limitations of the medium[0]. Yup. I remember first using lynx way back when I was still on my Slackware box. It was great for the quick Yahoo! searches when I was being a snarky chanop on a #linux channel. "That can be answered with a 2 word Yahoo! search. Have you even tried!?" But like many programs it just got outclassed. Seems like the natural progression of programs in open source. Evolve or get overrun. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Stripped down versions of software
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 01:20:52PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Or links. Once I found links I gave up on lynx. Something about doing > tables properly. :) I never understood why the lynx team had such a hard time with that one. I remember using lynx at the library on a WYSE terminal in elementary school (I'm 21) before tables came out and it was a mindblowing web-browser considering the limitations of the medium[0]. And then tables happened. And lynx couldn't figure out what to do with it and just said [TABLE], with no way to view the darn table without viewing source. Then lynx got table support, and it was a good start. But then they never went anywhere with it. lynx used to be the state of the art browser on the console. But then it's like they lost the will to live or something. I'm glad to see elinks take up where lynx lets off. [0] I mean, you are basically doing desktop publishing in an 80x24 space trying to render a webpage on a tty. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Sv96UzgNqloQMwcRAlH6AJ96Yj+MSC4BwvLD7R+djzAYll+A7wCgtYT7 xP/IjCa6UOb8i7veQdQOnoA= =LXfN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stripped down versions of software
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:02:36 -0500 Jesse Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For non-graphical, check out w3m or lynx. Or links. Once I found links I gave up on lynx. Something about doing tables properly. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Stripped down versions of software
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Piers Kittel wrote:
> I'm installing debian on a 486 laptop, and want to use it for X, IRC, www and
> email, so which window manager is best to use for the 100MHz laptop with 20mb
> RAM, and which IRC, WWW and email clients would also be good to use here?
First of all, google for what type of memory your laptop can take and
how much it can take, then hit ebay. Trust me - X is greedy. If you
can get 64M or 96M you'll be happier then with 16M.
Programs:
Window Manager: fluxbox, blackbox, openbox, fvwm, ratpoison
(ratpoison is an interesting window manager since it is very
minimal and maximizes each window - I find it useful for 640x480
resolutions, but at 800x600, lines get too long in terminals for
my tastes)
A quick search of apt-cache also shows:
aewm and aewm++, icewm-lite, and sapphire
IRC:I like irssi-text, but for true minimalism, look at tinyirc
WWW:For graphical websites, I like galeon, but it is memory greedy
(and will load gtk libraries). Dillo is probably a better
choice.
For non-graphical, check out w3m or lynx.
Mail: I love mutt, but it can be a tad slow, especially for large
maildirs. However, the binary is only half a meg. There is
also (non-free but free as in beer) pine.
Also, check out `ash' as a substitute for bash if you aren't using
bash's features. `rxvt' uses less memory then xterm, and `screen' is a
heck of a program. If you are interested in IM programs, either
check out `bitlbee' (see my sig for details) or `centericq' for terminal
based IM clients.
Btw, by sticking to a lot of command line apps and trying to get things
done, you'll have a good opertunity to pick up the basics of linux/unix
commands.
~ Jesse Meyer
--
Nifty linux apps:
bitlbee : use your favorite IRC client to interface with aim, icq, msn
messenger and yim (www.lintux.cx/bitlbee.html)
unclutter : hide your X cursor! (debian package)
icq: 34583382msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]yim: tsunad
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Re: Stripped down versions of software
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:04:20 +0100, Piers Kittel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi all > > I'm installing debian on a 486 laptop, and want to use it for X, IRC, > www and email, so which window manager is best to use for the 100MHz > laptop with 20mb RAM, and which IRC, WWW and email clients would also > be good to use here? ..http://damnsmalllinux.org/ ? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stripped down versions of software
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:04:20 +0100 Piers Kittel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm installing debian on a 486 laptop, and want to use it for X, IRC, www > and email, so which window manager is best to use for the 100MHz laptop with > 20mb RAM, and which IRC, WWW and email clients would also be good to use > here? IceWM would be an excellent choice. For IRC in all honesty I'd run a console one in an rxvt terminal. Mail... Pine would be my first choice with mutt a second. Again in a console window. WWW I'd go with Opera. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Stripped down versions of software
[20030825] Piers Kittel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm installing debian on a 486 laptop, and want to use it for X, IRC, www and > email, so which window manager is best to use for the 100MHz laptop with 20mb > RAM, and which IRC, WWW and email clients would also be good to use here? For a wm I'd suggest fluxbox or windowmaker. For WWW links-ssl (console) or dillo for X. For irc I use irssi and for icq/jabber/msn, centericq. Both are console-based & thus good for old hardware. For e-mail I use mutt (w/ abook for an addressbook) even on my desktop boxes, lightweight & *really* powerful. For an X-based client you should stick to sylpheed. -- Manolis Tzanidakis (mtzanidakis-at-freemail-dot-gr) Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 102798230 GnuPG Key Fingerprint: 5CA5 41D6 09F1 C4B9 C331 65EF 4B3F 6979 EB8C 88F3 Get my public key at: pgp.mit.edu pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Stripped down versions of software
Hi Piers, Heres what I have on my 100 MHz desktop system Blackbox window manager Opera7 web browser (although right now I don't have net connection) havent decided on email or IRC yet. But definately Blackbox WM is the way to go. HTH, mw. > Hi all > > I'm installing debian on a 486 laptop, and want to use it for > X, IRC, www and > email, so which window manager is best to use for the 100MHz > laptop with 20mb > RAM, and which IRC, WWW and email clients would also be good > to use here? > > Thanks very much for your help in advance > > Cheers - Piers > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stripped down versions of software
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 02:04:20PM +0100, Piers Kittel wrote: > Hi all > > I'm installing debian on a 486 laptop, and want to use it for X, IRC, www and > email, so which window manager is best to use for the 100MHz laptop with 20mb > RAM, and which IRC, WWW and email clients would also be good to use here? > > Thanks very much for your help in advance > > Cheers - Piers > What I use for my P133 laptop is WM: fvwm IRC: irssi www: dillo email: mutt -- Zeng Nan Simple is Beautiful. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Stripped down versions of software
Hi all I'm installing debian on a 486 laptop, and want to use it for X, IRC, www and email, so which window manager is best to use for the 100MHz laptop with 20mb RAM, and which IRC, WWW and email clients would also be good to use here? Thanks very much for your help in advance Cheers - Piers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
