Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)
On 4/21/06, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 03:37 -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: On Apr 19 2006, Ron Johnson wrote: Still, if they come out with reasonably priced cards that can do 3D like an NVIDIA FX 5200 using the nvidia binary driver, I'd How exactly is the performance of such a beast? I have never had the opportunity of using a binary driver for video, since I don't need 3D and my trusty, old Matrox card is keeping up with my necessities. But I'm frequently asked (by friends) to recommend hardware that would run Linux well and, well, the topic of video cards is where I get most undecided... Thanks for any experiences shared, Rogério. Back when I had an NVIDIA TNT2/M64, I installed the nvidia binary driver, and 3D games flew (relative to my needs, of course). I'm sure that using the nvidia driver the now-equally-trailing edge FX 5200 would perform even better. Obviously, the newer cards would perform even better. I recommend nvidia cards to anyone who wants to run Linux, because it have the very good 2D nv driver, and the 3D nvidia driver. Note that NVIDIA has a common code-base between the Windows and Linux drivers, and releases a new version of it every few months. That says a lot about their commitment to the Linux market. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA Universal peace sounds ridiculous to the head of an average family. Kin Hubbard It seems like everyone agrees that Video card manufacturers really don't want to give up their 3d stuff and that seems to be the primary reason we can't get a good open source driver. Ideally some video card manufacturer could be convinced to allow a full driver (to include the 3d stuff) to be written by the open source community. If that isn't possible couldn't there be a set of Object Oriented/open 3d standards? You put x into the card and y will pop out. This would let video card manufacturers move their trade secrets onto the actual video card chips and no one gets to see the magic of how certain things get implemented. They of course couldn't afford to release 3d drivers that are nearly as buggy as the ones they release now if corrections have to be flashed onto the video card. Would something like this be feasible or is it an unattainable dream that is beyond technology or might require too many people to play nice together?
Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)
On Sat, 2006-04-22 at 12:01 -0400, Manaen Schlabach wrote: On 4/21/06, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 03:37 -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: On Apr 19 2006, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] It seems like everyone agrees that Video card manufacturers really don't want to give up their 3d stuff and that seems to be the primary reason we can't get a good open source driver. Ideally some video card manufacturer could be convinced to allow a full driver (to include the 3d stuff) to be written by the open source community. Intel recently issued a press release saying they were going to do just that. Unfortunately, their video chips are all embedded in their chipsets. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA What has a tiny brain, a big mouth, and an opinion nobody cares about? You! from Murphy Brown
Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)
On Apr 19 2006, Ron Johnson wrote: When Intel makes stand-alone video cards, they'll get more notice from those of us who don't want on-board video. Actually, between the choices of being able to use the driver even if the card is on-board or not using it (or it having poor support under Free Operating Systems), I'd go with the former. Oh, and before anybody jumps quickly into conclusions, I do prefer off-board video. -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)
On Apr 19 2006, Ron Johnson wrote: Still, if they come out with reasonably priced cards that can do 3D like an NVIDIA FX 5200 using the nvidia binary driver, I'd How exactly is the performance of such a beast? I have never had the opportunity of using a binary driver for video, since I don't need 3D and my trusty, old Matrox card is keeping up with my necessities. But I'm frequently asked (by friends) to recommend hardware that would run Linux well and, well, the topic of video cards is where I get most undecided... Thanks for any experiences shared, Rogério. -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)
On Thursday 20 April 2006 23:37, Rogério Brito wrote: On Apr 19 2006, Ron Johnson wrote: Still, if they come out with reasonably priced cards that can do 3D like an NVIDIA FX 5200 using the nvidia binary driver, I'd How exactly is the performance of such a beast? I have never had the opportunity of using a binary driver for video, since I don't need 3D and my trusty, old Matrox card is keeping up with my necessities. 30-70 fps in 1024x768, all other settings on maximum in UT2004 for Linux. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgp7DocqXYXTw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)
On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 03:37 -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: On Apr 19 2006, Ron Johnson wrote: Still, if they come out with reasonably priced cards that can do 3D like an NVIDIA FX 5200 using the nvidia binary driver, I'd How exactly is the performance of such a beast? I have never had the opportunity of using a binary driver for video, since I don't need 3D and my trusty, old Matrox card is keeping up with my necessities. But I'm frequently asked (by friends) to recommend hardware that would run Linux well and, well, the topic of video cards is where I get most undecided... Thanks for any experiences shared, Rogério. Back when I had an NVIDIA TNT2/M64, I installed the nvidia binary driver, and 3D games flew (relative to my needs, of course). I'm sure that using the nvidia driver the now-equally-trailing edge FX 5200 would perform even better. Obviously, the newer cards would perform even better. I recommend nvidia cards to anyone who wants to run Linux, because it have the very good 2D nv driver, and the 3D nvidia driver. Note that NVIDIA has a common code-base between the Windows and Linux drivers, and releases a new version of it every few months. That says a lot about their commitment to the Linux market. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA Universal peace sounds ridiculous to the head of an average family. Kin Hubbard
Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)
On 4/19/06, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 16:53 -0700, Xplicit Language wrote: i have found a video driver on intel 82810 onboard video on they're site at www.intel.com in the downloads and support section, i couldn't get it to install since i am new to linux, but it was there. When Intel makes stand-alone video cards, they'll get more notice from those of us who don't want on-board video. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA ... going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. You just leave a lot of useless noisy baggage behind. Jed Babbin, former deputy undersecretary of defense in the first Bush administration -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't realize that Intel doesn't make any standalone cards that is most unfortunate if they don't. I was kind of amused by the comment Nvidia made in the ZDNet article that writing a good video driver is very hard to do and beyond the capabilities of a bunch of hobbyists/open source community (that's not an exact quote). It sounds just like something I heard in the late 90s I don't remember the quote but I think MS said something to the effect of writing an Operating System was far too complex a task to be done by a bunch of hobbyists and part timers
Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)
Hi, Manaen and others interested in Freedom. On Apr 18 2006, Manaen Schlabach wrote: From a recent ZDNet article http://news.com.com/2102-7344_3-6061491.html?tag=st.util.print Yes, I read this very same article with great interest (and what a good timing it had, considering our discussion here) and was pleased by what I read. I personally value my computing freedoms and believe in what Debian and the FSF stand for so it looks like Intel will be getting a wad of my hard earned cash in the near future. The very same here. I don't want to ge tied to a given operating system and I would like to be able to use my hardware with other systems like, say, OpenBSD (which I have not experienced before). And, for this reason, having a big company like Intel backing the development of drivers (which, after released, would be imported by other projects) is indeed a nice thing that is able to guide my buying decisions (and even what I recommend to the Universities where I work, so that I can actually teach the use of Free Tools for students). Regards, Rogério Brito. -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)
Rogério Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Manaen and others interested in Freedom.On Apr 18 2006, Manaen Schlabach wrote: From a recent ZDNet article http://news.com.com/2102-7344_3-6061491.html?tag=st.util.printYes, I read this very same article with great interest (and what a goodtiming it had, considering our discussion here) and was pleased by whatI read. I personally value my computing freedoms and believe in what Debian and the FSF stand for so it looks like Intel will be getting a wad of my hard earned cash in the near future.The very same here. I don't want to ge tied to a given operating systemand I would like to be able to use my hardware with other systems like,say, OpenBSD (which I have not experienced before).And, for this reason, having a big company like Intel backing thedevelopment of drivers (which, after released, would be "imported" byother projects) is indeed a nice thing that is able to guide my buyingdecisions (and even what I recommend to the Universities where I work,so that I can actually teach the use of Free Tools for students).Regards, Rogério Brito.-- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbritoHomepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.deHomepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/-- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.
Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)
i have found a video driver on intel 82810 onboard video on they're site at www.intel.com in the downloads and support section, i couldn't get it to install since i am new to linux, but it was there.Rogério Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Manaen and others interested in Freedom.On Apr 18 2006, Manaen Schlabach wrote: From a recent ZDNet article http://news.com.com/2102-7344_3-6061491.html?tag=st.util.printYes, I read this very same article with great interest (and what a goodtiming it had, considering our discussion here) and was pleased by whatI read. I personally value my computing freedoms and believe in what Debian and the FSF stand for so it looks like Intel will be getting a wad of my hard earned cash in the near future.The very same here. I don't want to ge tied to a given operating systemand I would like to be able to use my hardware with other systems like,say, OpenBSD (which I have not experienced before).And, for this reason, having a big company like Intel backing thedevelopment of drivers (which, after released, would be "imported" byother projects) is indeed a nice thing that is able to guide my buyingdecisions (and even what I recommend to the Universities where I work,so that I can actually teach the use of Free Tools for students).Regards, Rogério Brito.-- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbritoHomepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.deHomepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/-- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.
Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)
On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 16:53 -0700, Xplicit Language wrote: i have found a video driver on intel 82810 onboard video on they're site at www.intel.com in the downloads and support section, i couldn't get it to install since i am new to linux, but it was there. When Intel makes stand-alone video cards, they'll get more notice from those of us who don't want on-board video. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA ... going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. You just leave a lot of useless noisy baggage behind. Jed Babbin, former deputy undersecretary of defense in the first Bush administration -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)
right i see what you meanRon Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 16:53 -0700, Xplicit Language wrote: i have found a video driver on intel 82810 onboard video on they're site at www.intel.com in the downloads and support section, i couldn't get it to install since i am new to linux, but it was there.When Intel makes "stand-alone" video cards, they'll get more noticefrom those of us who don't want on-board video.-- -Ron Johnson, Jr.Jefferson, LA USA"... going to war without France is like going deer huntingwithout an accordion. You just leave a lot of useless noisybaggage behind."Jed Babbin, former deputy undersecretary of defense in the firstBush administration-- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.
Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 17:08, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 16:53 -0700, Xplicit Language wrote: i have found a video driver on intel 82810 onboard video on they're site at www.intel.com in the downloads and support section, i couldn't get it to install since i am new to linux, but it was there. When Intel makes stand-alone video cards, they'll get more notice from those of us who don't want on-board video. But they do. I distinctly remember installing about a hundred Intel i880-based Intel video cards circa 1998. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpLSQPtYHcEz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)
On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 17:27 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wednesday 19 April 2006 17:08, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 16:53 -0700, Xplicit Language wrote: i have found a video driver on intel 82810 onboard video on they're site at www.intel.com in the downloads and support section, i couldn't get it to install since i am new to linux, but it was there. When Intel makes stand-alone video cards, they'll get more notice from those of us who don't want on-board video. But they do. I distinctly remember installing about a hundred Intel i880-based Intel video cards circa 1998. Do or did? ISTR i740 cards, which flopped. Still, if they come out with reasonably priced cards that can do 3D like an NVIDIA FX 5200 using the nvidia binary driver, I'd strongly think about buying one the next time I need one. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA Though force can protect in emergency, only justice, fairness, consideration and cooperation can finally lead men to the dawn of eternal peace. Dwight D Eisenhower -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 19:34, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 17:27 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wednesday 19 April 2006 17:08, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 16:53 -0700, Xplicit Language wrote: i have found a video driver on intel 82810 onboard video on they're site at www.intel.com in the downloads and support section, i couldn't get it to install since i am new to linux, but it was there. When Intel makes stand-alone video cards, they'll get more notice from those of us who don't want on-board video. But they do. I distinctly remember installing about a hundred Intel i880-based Intel video cards circa 1998. Do or did? ISTR i740 cards, which flopped. Did, and i740 sounds more familiar than 880 in retrospect. Still, if they come out with reasonably priced cards that can do 3D like an NVIDIA FX 5200 using the nvidia binary driver, I'd strongly think about buying one the next time I need one. Which is why I got my hopes up when I heard that. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpY8qs5FOEBN.pgp Description: PGP signature
