Re: Synaptic preferences question
On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 13:36 -0500, Emil Payne wrote: > On 06/25/2012 10:59 AM, John W. Foster wrote: > > On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 15:40 +, Camaleón wrote: > > > On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:28:07 -0500, John W. Foster wrote: > > > > > > > I want to have Synaptic automatically download & display the process of > > > > of the download of all the packages I have in the sources.list when it > > > > first is opened. I do not 'see' this happening now. It may be doing it > > > > but I don't know for sure, since it only pops up the download window > > > > when I key it to update manually. Any suggestions? frosty > > > > If you run Update Manager, it will check for updates every day, 2 > days, week or 2 weeks, depending on what you set in Preferences. When > it checks it updates the same files that Synaptic uses for Reload. It > will pop up an icon in your notification area to let you know about > any updates available and you can click on it to see them and install > them. I use both Update Manager and Synaptic. They can't both be run > at the same time, but Update Manager can be active and idle in the > notification area and you can use Synaptic. > > EP Good point! Update manager for my taste is a PITA and for the first time it's not easy to get rid of it, assumed your distro starts it by default, as one of the distros I use does. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1340649933.1349.183.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: Synaptic preferences question
On 06/25/2012 10:59 AM, John W. Foster wrote: On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 15:40 +, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:28:07 -0500, John W. Foster wrote: I want to have Synaptic automatically download& display the process of of the download of all the packages I have in the sources.list when it first is opened. I do not 'see' this happening now. It may be doing it but I don't know for sure, since it only pops up the download window when I key it to update manually. Any suggestions? frosty If you run Update Manager, it will check for updates every day, 2 days, week or 2 weeks, depending on what you set in Preferences. When it checks it updates the same files that Synaptic uses for Reload. It will pop up an icon in your notification area to let you know about any updates available and you can click on it to see them and install them. I use both Update Manager and Synaptic. They can't both be run at the same time, but Update Manager can be active and idle in the notification area and you can use Synaptic. EP
Re: [OT] Verbose replies... (was: Synaptic preferences question)
On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 17:39 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:27:11 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 19:19 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> > PS: I call one version of Ubuntu Oz, because I like Oz ... not really > >> > the old musical, but ... try a guess ;). > >> > >> A hint, no "little Myron's thumberland" (or the comic it's based on, > > slumberland > >> Nemo, Nemo) and no "Alice"-dsl ;). > > > > I wish I could find a link to the Marshmallow-Cartoon of "Little Myron's > > slumberland". > > Eight posts from you, Ralf, only in this thread. Eight. Most of them with > dubious OT content inside. > > Please, consider entering into "verbose mode off". Hm, or at least I should add "OT", apologize. I also noticed that my Arch Linux Evolution tends to send to the latest person who replied and carbon copy to the mailing list, instead of just sending mails to the list. Shit happens :(. Sorry, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1340646652.1349.150.camel@localhost.localdomain
[OT] Verbose replies... (was: Synaptic preferences question)
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:27:11 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 19:19 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> > PS: I call one version of Ubuntu Oz, because I like Oz ... not really >> > the old musical, but ... try a guess ;). >> >> A hint, no "little Myron's thumberland" (or the comic it's based on, > slumberland >> Nemo, Nemo) and no "Alice"-dsl ;). > > I wish I could find a link to the Marshmallow-Cartoon of "Little Myron's > slumberland". Eight posts from you, Ralf, only in this thread. Eight. Most of them with dubious OT content inside. Please, consider entering into "verbose mode off". Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jsa7os$6df$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Synaptic preferences question
On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 19:19 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > PS: I call one version of Ubuntu Oz, because I like Oz ... not really > > the old musical, but ... try a guess ;). > > A hint, no "little Myron's thumberland" (or the comic it's based on, slumberland > Nemo, Nemo) and no "Alice"-dsl ;). I wish I could find a link to the Marshmallow-Cartoon of "Little Myron's slumberland". -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1340645231.1349.132.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: Synaptic preferences question
> PS: I call one version of Ubuntu Oz, because I like Oz ... not really > the old musical, but ... try a guess ;). A hint, no "little Myron's thumberland" (or the comic it's based on, Nemo, Nemo) and no "Alice"-dsl ;). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1340644750.1349.128.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: Synaptic preferences question
On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 16:56 +, Camaleón wrote: > However, I don't know if this still remains true for the current > Debian version of Synaptic. I don't know, at least current version for AVLinux (theoretically Debian stable) and my dropped "real" Debian stable and testing installs's Synaptic don't/didn't do. Ubuntu Maverick's, Oz[...]'s and Precise's Synaptic don't do. Btw. pardon "BIG LATTER" shouldn't be for a "shout", i simply want to color it in red, without using HTML ;P. - Ralf PS: I call one version of Ubuntu Oz, because I like Oz ... not really the old musical, but ... try a guess ;). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1340644229.1349.123.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: Synaptic preferences question
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:31:41 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 16:21 +, Camaleón wrote: >> there still should be run, and that's why it takes a bit of time to get >> Synaptic available and ready to work. > > No, you're mistaken. Synaptic DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY UPGRADE REPOSITORY > INFORMATION. Ralf, there's no need to shout. > If Synaptic should do by default, I would go more nuts than I already > do. I'm Suse proved and I know you're too, so I suspect you confuse > Suse's YaST or even Smart with Synaptic. (...) No, I don't confuse the tools. I read it time ago but don't remember where. Let me do a quick Google search... don't recall it was an article from Ubuntu wiki but this can be better than nothing: *** https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto#Updating_the_Package_List "Updating the Package List Click Reload or press Ctrl + R to make Synaptic aware of the latest updates and any changes to the list of repositories. Although this is done automatically when you open Synaptic it can be a good idea to update the database from time to time while running Synaptic. (...)" *** However, I don't know if this still remains true for the current Debian version of Synaptic. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jsa577$6df$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Synaptic preferences question
On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 16:21 +, Camaleón wrote: > there still should be run, and that's > why it takes a bit of time to get Synaptic available and ready to work. No, you're mistaken. Synaptic DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY UPGRADE REPOSITORY INFORMATION. If Synaptic should do by default, I would go more nuts than I already do. I'm Suse proved and I know you're too, so I suspect you confuse Suse's YaST or even Smart with Synaptic. Again, there are good reasons to use CLI or scripts and there are other good reasons to use a GUI tool like Synaptic. I do "both", regarding to my needs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1340641901.1349.112.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: Synaptic preferences question
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 10:59:35 -0500, John W. Foster wrote: > On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 15:40 +, Camaleón wrote: >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:28:07 -0500, John W. Foster wrote: >> >> > I want to have Synaptic automatically download & display the process >> > of of the download of all the packages I have in the sources.list >> > when it first is opened. I do not 'see' this happening now. It may be >> > doing it but I don't know for sure, since it only pops up the >> > download window when I key it to update manually. Any suggestions? >> > frosty >> >> I can be wrong but I thought the "reload" takes place automatically >> when Synaptic is open :-? >> > > Exactly my reason for this question. I believe that should occur. > However I do not "see' that activity, there is no popup screen & I seem > to be required to do it manually. When you first launch Synaptic, there's no pop-up screen nor more information for the "reload" but there still should be run, and that's why it takes a bit of time to get Synaptic available and ready to work. > This is not any kind of rant. I just want to know what my system is > doing, by having the visual que that the popup screen provides. I > 'believe' that this 'reload' is not occuring because of the time > required for the screen to open to the synaptic menue. Its damn quick > to open to the menu (about 2 seconds)& when I manually hit the reload > button it takes a few seconds (about 5 seconds)for it to finish but it > shows the activity in the popup. I don't use Synaptic ever day (I prefer "apt-get update") but true is that I don't recall seeing the reload status screen unless I manually trigger the "Reload" button. Never thought this was not normal. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jsa368$6df$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Synaptic preferences question
On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 11:08 -0500, John W. Foster wrote: > I still do believe it would be a good idea to offer it in preferences. I don't need it, but I agree that such an option is good. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1340640770.1349.105.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: Synaptic preferences question
On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 10:48 -0500, John W. Foster wrote: > Is there any way to have synaptic do the package update automatically > when I execute the application. i.e run 'apt-get update'; AFAIK no. Since I used Suse package management GUIs, I prefer the .deb way not to upgrade the repository information automatically, when using Synaptic. Even with a default of a few repositories, a language repository might hang for minutes, while you simple wish to know what files are installed by a package, you already installed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1340640584.1349.103.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: Synaptic preferences question
On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 17:50 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 15:40 +, Camaleón wrote: > > I can be wrong but I thought the "reload" takes place automatically when > > Synaptic is open :-? > > No it doesn't and it's good that it doesn't. Thank you! This is the answer I needed, as well as the following explanation as to why. > When using a GUI to manage > packages, one of the reasons to do this, is to get information, without > having the need to search the web OR TO UPDATE repository information > for perhaps just 1 or 100 repositories. An upgrade > for 100 repositories might be a little bit annoying > for some of us, with a limited lifespan. I actually never thought of synaptic from the information aspect. Good point. > For some needs directly using CLI or a script is the better choice, > Synaptic is quiet good for some other needs. I will handle it by altering the opening script. I still do believe it would be a good idea to offer it in preferences. again Thanks! frosty -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1340640487.32334.28.ca...@beast.home
Re: Synaptic preferences question
On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 15:40 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:28:07 -0500, John W. Foster wrote: > > > I want to have Synaptic automatically download & display the process of > > of the download of all the packages I have in the sources.list when it > > first is opened. I do not 'see' this happening now. It may be doing it > > but I don't know for sure, since it only pops up the download window > > when I key it to update manually. Any suggestions? frosty > > I can be wrong but I thought the "reload" takes place automatically when > Synaptic is open :-? > > Greetings, > > -- > Camaleón Exactly my reason for this question. I believe that should occur. However I do not "see' that activity, there is no popup screen & I seem to be required to do it manually. This is not any kind of rant. I just want to know what my system is doing, by having the visual que that the popup screen provides. I 'believe' that this 'reload' is not occuring because of the time required for the screen to open to the synaptic menue. Its damn quick to open to the menu (about 2 seconds)& when I manually hit the reload button it takes a few seconds (about 5 seconds)for it to finish but it shows the activity in the popup. Thanks! frosty -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1340639975.32334.23.ca...@beast.home
Re: Synaptic preferences question
On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 15:40 +, Camaleón wrote: > I can be wrong but I thought the "reload" takes place automatically when > Synaptic is open :-? No it doesn't and it's good that it doesn't. When using a GUI to manage packages, one of the reasons to do this, is to get information, without having the need to search the web OR TO UPDATE repository information for perhaps just 1 or 100 repositories. An upgrade for 100 repositories might be a little bit annoying for some of us, with a limited lifespan. For some needs directly using CLI or a script is the better choice, Synaptic is quiet good for some other needs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1340639432.1349.90.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: Synaptic preferences question
On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 16:56 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 09:28 -0500, John W. Foster wrote: > > I want to have Synaptic automatically download & display the process of > > of the download of all the packages I have in the sources.list when it > > first is opened. I do not 'see' this happening now. It may be doing it > > but I don't know for sure, since it only pops up the download window > > when I key it to update manually. Any suggestions? > > frosty > > It might be my broken English, a cup of cheap wine too much, I dunno, > but I don't understand what you want. > > "update manually" is for pushing the "Reload"-button? Yep > "all the packages I have in the sources.list" is for what? All packages > provided by your repositories? again yep > All packages you've got installed? No > "display the process of the download"? i.e the popup that shows the actual execution of the download of each repository. when I hit the reload button > Synaptic does display all > processes, as soon as you give your okay to upgrade. correct > If you just update > repository information, no package will be downloaded, neither a process > like "ldconfig" would be launched. not relevant to my question I will refine the question; Is there any way to have synaptic do the package update automatically when I execute the application. i.e run 'apt-get update'; I do not currently see that happening. I must hit the reload button each time I open synaptic. That option does not appear in preferences. Thanks! frosty -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1340639318.32334.13.ca...@beast.home
Re: Synaptic preferences question
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:28:07 -0500, John W. Foster wrote: > I want to have Synaptic automatically download & display the process of > of the download of all the packages I have in the sources.list when it > first is opened. I do not 'see' this happening now. It may be doing it > but I don't know for sure, since it only pops up the download window > when I key it to update manually. Any suggestions? frosty I can be wrong but I thought the "reload" takes place automatically when Synaptic is open :-? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jsa0p6$6df$7...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Synaptic preferences question
On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 09:28 -0500, John W. Foster wrote: > I want to have Synaptic automatically download & display the process of > of the download of all the packages I have in the sources.list when it > first is opened. I do not 'see' this happening now. It may be doing it > but I don't know for sure, since it only pops up the download window > when I key it to update manually. Any suggestions? > frosty It might be my broken English, a cup of cheap wine too much, I dunno, but I don't understand what you want. "update manually" is for pushing the "Reload"-button? "all the packages I have in the sources.list" is for what? All packages provided by your repositories? All packages you've got installed? "display the process of the download"? Synaptic does display all processes, as soon as you give your okay to upgrade. If you just update repository information, no package will be downloaded, neither a process like "ldconfig" would be launched. *?* Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1340636187.1349.67.camel@localhost.localdomain
Synaptic preferences question
I want to have Synaptic automatically download & display the process of of the download of all the packages I have in the sources.list when it first is opened. I do not 'see' this happening now. It may be doing it but I don't know for sure, since it only pops up the download window when I key it to update manually. Any suggestions? frosty -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1340634487.32334.3.ca...@beast.home
