Re: Debian Sys Admin Training / Certification

[Abraham Chaffin]

The info you guys shared is much appreciated - this gives me a good
idea of direction and what routes to take.


Thank you,

Abraham





On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Carlos Mennens  wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Abraham Chaffin  
> wrote:
>> What training / certification courses would you guys recommend for Sys Admin
>> / Security Admin training or certification for Debian?
>> Is the LPIC a good route? Go with Red Hat certification? Or what do you all
>> suggest?
>
> Certifications are really nothing special these days. Back in 2001
> they might have held water but I don't think this is the case any
> longer. As for your question, I recommend you start 1st with the
> CompTIA Linux+ certification exam. After that I can only recommend the
> RHCT / RHCE Red Hat exam. It's industry respected and very useful for
> career advancement and personal satisfaction.
>
> Good luck!
>
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Re: Debian Sys Admin Training / Certification

[Carlos Mennens]

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Abraham Chaffin  wrote:
> What training / certification courses would you guys recommend for Sys Admin
> / Security Admin training or certification for Debian?
> Is the LPIC a good route? Go with Red Hat certification? Or what do you all
> suggest?

Certifications are really nothing special these days. Back in 2001
they might have held water but I don't think this is the case any
longer. As for your question, I recommend you start 1st with the
CompTIA Linux+ certification exam. After that I can only recommend the
RHCT / RHCE Red Hat exam. It's industry respected and very useful for
career advancement and personal satisfaction.

Good luck!


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Re: Debian Sys Admin Training / Certification

[owens]

>
>
>
> Original Message 
>From: t...@furie.org.uk
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: Debian Sys Admin Training / Certification
>Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 23:49:42 +0100
>
>>On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 01:34:28PM -0700, Abraham Chaffin wrote:
>>> What training / certification courses would you guys recommend for
>Sys Admin
>>> / Security Admin training or certification for Debian?
>>> Is the LPIC a good route? Go with Red Hat certification? Or what
>do you all
>>> suggest?
>>
>>I have the LPI Debian certification and it's done me no good at all.
>I
>>don't know what country you're in and things might be different
>there,
>>but here in the UK, it seems the only Linux corporate entities have
>any
>>knowledge of is Red Hat. Probably because of the paid-for support
>>contracts. Even those that don't use Red Hat use one of its
>derivatives.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Tom
>>
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>>How unusual!
>>
I second Ron's point.  If you are trying for certification to "obtain
the knowledge" you'd be better off IMHO to spend the time on the
system or with other sys admins.  Certification usually is nothing
but a "stripe" on your resume and is not necessarily indicative of
your knowledge-it may help in a job search, however.
Larry


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Re: Debian Sys Admin Training / Certification

[Nuno Magalhães]

What about Ubuntu? It seems to be the deb-based commercial distro of
the moment, do they have any certification? It would probably be as
"heard of" as Red Hat. Or not.

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Re: Debian Sys Admin Training / Certification

[Tom Furie]

On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 01:34:28PM -0700, Abraham Chaffin wrote:
> What training / certification courses would you guys recommend for Sys Admin
> / Security Admin training or certification for Debian?
> Is the LPIC a good route? Go with Red Hat certification? Or what do you all
> suggest?

I have the LPI Debian certification and it's done me no good at all. I
don't know what country you're in and things might be different there,
but here in the UK, it seems the only Linux corporate entities have any
knowledge of is Red Hat. Probably because of the paid-for support
contracts. Even those that don't use Red Hat use one of its derivatives.

Cheers,
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Re: Debian Sys Admin Training / Certification

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-04-08 15:34, Abraham Chaffin wrote:
What training / certification courses would you guys recommend for Sys 
Admin / Security Admin training or certification for Debian?
Is the LPIC a good route? Go with Red Hat certification? Or what do you 
all suggest?




Towards what end?  Better employment prospects?

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Debian Sys Admin Training / Certification

[Abraham Chaffin]

What training / certification courses would you guys recommend for Sys Admin
/ Security Admin training or certification for Debian?
Is the LPIC a good route? Go with Red Hat certification? Or what do you all
suggest?


Thank you,

Abraham

[OT] Google Head Sys Admin prefers Debian

[S.D.A.]

I found the following quite interesting, especially the tool called 'getupdates'
which uses Debian's "apt-get tool". Here is the URL;



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Re: Sys Admin guide specific to Debian?

[Karsten M. Self]

on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 03:40:10AM -0500, will trillich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 11:05:58AM -0500, Larry Holish wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 10:34:49AM -0400, Steve Dondley wrote:
> > > I'm a Linux beginner with Debian installed.  I'm looking for a beginner's
> > > guide to System Administration and I'm wondering if there might not be one
> > > particular to Debian.  If not, can someone point me in the direction of a
> > > good generic SysAdmin guide?
> > 
> > There is a Debian specific one (though not completed) at:
> > 
> > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/
> 
> wonderful! (wish i'd known about it earlier...)

It's very not completed, as will become

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Re: Sys Admin guide specific to Debian?

[will trillich]

On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 11:05:58AM -0500, Larry Holish wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 10:34:49AM -0400, Steve Dondley wrote:
> > I'm a Linux beginner with Debian installed.  I'm looking for a beginner's
> > guide to System Administration and I'm wondering if there might not be one
> > particular to Debian.  If not, can someone point me in the direction of a
> > good generic SysAdmin guide?
> 
> There is a Debian specific one (though not completed) at:
> 
> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/

wonderful! (wish i'd known about it earlier...)

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Re: Sys Admin guide specific to Debian?

[Alexander Steinert]

> I'm a Linux beginner with Debian installed.  I'm looking for a beginner's
> guide to System Administration and I'm wondering if there might not be one
> particular to Debian.  If not, can someone point me in the direction of a
> good generic SysAdmin guide?

You might want to take a look at
http://www.infodrom.ffis.de/Debian/doc/
especially
http://www.infodrom.ffis.de/Debian/doc/maint/

HTH

Stony

Re: Sys Admin guide specific to Debian?

[Jeremy]

"Karsten M. Self"  writes:


> > There is also _Learning Debian GNU/Linux_ from O'Reilly, though some of 
> > it may be a little dated at this point since it's a few years old.
> 
> I can't recommend this book.

Neither can I.  I accidentally picked this one up before I knew better.

>   - Nemeth, et al, _UNIX Administration Handbook_, Prentice Hall.
>   - Frisch, _Essential System Administration_, O'Reilly.
>   - Siever, et al, _Linux in a Nutshell_, O'Reilly.
>   - Matt Welsh, _Running Linux_, O'Reilly.
>   - Peek, et all, _UNIX Power Tools_, O'Reilly.

One I liked in particular was the Unix Bookshelf put out by O'Reilly.  It's 6
books on CD (UNIX in a Nutshell and UNIX Power Tools are my two favorites in
there) as well as a hardcopy of UNIX in a Nutshell.  These have definitely
helped me out.

Jeremy

Re: Sys Admin guide specific to Debian?

[John Galt]

apt-get install ldp-sag sysadmin-guide

That'll get you both the HTML-ified/PS-ified and the text file.

On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Steve Dondley wrote:

>I'm a Linux beginner with Debian installed.  I'm looking for a beginner's
>guide to System Administration and I'm wondering if there might not be one
>particular to Debian.  If not, can someone point me in the direction of a
>good generic SysAdmin guide?
>
>Thanks.
>
>
>

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Re: Sys Admin guide specific to Debian?

[Karsten M. Self]

on Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 09:33:27AM -0700, Tim Moss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Steve Dondley wrote:
> > I'm a Linux beginner with Debian installed.  I'm looking for a 
> > http://www.linuxdoc.org/LDP/nag2/index.htmlbeginner's
> > guide to System Administration and I'm wondering if there might not be one
> > particular to Debian.  If not, can someone point me in the direction of a
> > good generic SysAdmin guide?
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> These aren't Debian specific but there are some very good works here
> http://www.linuxdoc.org/guides.html
> 
> There is also _Learning Debian GNU/Linux_ from O'Reilly, though some of 
> it may be a little dated at this point since it's a few years old.

I can't recommend this book.

There's a thin Sam's guide to Debian which was decent.  There was also
an older...Slink, perhaps?...Debian-project produced book about two
years ago.  Website, and Debian-Policy, are probably the best sources of
ancillary information, after a solid Unix reference.  My
recommendations:

  - Nemeth, et al, _UNIX Administration Handbook_, Prentice Hall.
  - Frisch, _Essential System Administration_, O'Reilly.
  - Siever, et al, _Linux in a Nutshell_, O'Reilly.
  - Matt Welsh, _Running Linux_, O'Reilly.
  - Peek, et all, _UNIX Power Tools_, O'Reilly.

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Re: Sys Admin guide specific to Debian?

[Tim Moss]

Steve Dondley wrote:

I'm a Linux beginner with Debian installed.  I'm looking for a 
http://www.linuxdoc.org/LDP/nag2/index.htmlbeginner's
guide to System Administration and I'm wondering if there might not be one
particular to Debian.  If not, can someone point me in the direction of a
good generic SysAdmin guide?

Thanks.






These aren't Debian specific but there are some very good works here
http://www.linuxdoc.org/guides.html

There is also _Learning Debian GNU/Linux_ from O'Reilly, though some of 
it may be a little dated at this point since it's a few years old.

Re: Sys Admin guide specific to Debian?

[Larry Holish]

On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 10:34:49AM -0400, Steve Dondley wrote:
> I'm a Linux beginner with Debian installed.  I'm looking for a beginner's
> guide to System Administration and I'm wondering if there might not be one
> particular to Debian.  If not, can someone point me in the direction of a
> good generic SysAdmin guide?
> 
> Thanks.
> 

There is a Debian specific one (though not completed) at:

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/

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Sys Admin guide specific to Debian?

[Steve Dondley]

I'm a Linux beginner with Debian installed.  I'm looking for a beginner's
guide to System Administration and I'm wondering if there might not be one
particular to Debian.  If not, can someone point me in the direction of a
good generic SysAdmin guide?

Thanks.

Re: Sys Admin

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya...

ditto on williams comments...
easy to automate the admin of the machines...
( more fortunate...than unfortunate ??

almost as easy to automate teh people-side too 
- answer is noor where is the budget for it..

c ya
alvin
http://www.Linux-1U.net ...  600Gb in 1U chassis ..


On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, William T Wilson wrote:

> On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote:
> 
> > If you want to do it as a career (you are a masochist, and not because
> > of UNIX) you can look for "junior sysadmin" type job listings.  
> 
> Heh.  I agree.  *Most* UNIX sysadmin jobs resemble management more than
> they resemble playing with your home Linux box, unfortunately.  It's about
> half technical, half people-work.  Basically it's your job to say "no" -
> and mediate among programmers, end users, hardware vendors, software
> vendors, managers... Unfortunately, because of the way Unix systems are
> used today, maintaining the system is the easy part. :}
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Re: Sys Admin

[William T Wilson]

On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote:

> If you want to do it as a career (you are a masochist, and not because
> of UNIX) you can look for "junior sysadmin" type job listings.  

Heh.  I agree.  *Most* UNIX sysadmin jobs resemble management more than
they resemble playing with your home Linux box, unfortunately.  It's about
half technical, half people-work.  Basically it's your job to say "no" -
and mediate among programmers, end users, hardware vendors, software
vendors, managers... Unfortunately, because of the way Unix systems are
used today, maintaining the system is the easy part. :}

Re: Sys Admin

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya ethan...

seen many of your posts...
but this one was worth commenting on too

> [0] i would rather not call them admins, as `morons with root
> password' is far more appropriate.  knowing root password != sysadmin 

i'd add thatif you have to ask for the root passwdyou don't need
it you should be able to get root access ( to standalone machines ) if
you need it...

- if its a group of "sys admin" for that machine...you obciously
cant go around changing root passwd...but.. its been know to be
done too...and boy is there a big piss-n-moan contest of what
else changed that broke soemthing else as a consequence

- i'd go one step furtherdont use any microsoft apps...

have fun linuxing
alvin


On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Ethan Benson wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 08:49:42PM -0700, Anthony @ PencilFight Design wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > I am looking into becoming a Unix System Administrator. I know a few that
> > all learned basically "on the job". I'm wondering if there is any one who
> > knows of a good way to start. Online classes?  I've heard of the Red Book
> > and of course the O-Reilly books but was wondering if there was any classes
> > any one has heard about.
> > 
> > Thanks for your help.
> 
> learn by doing, first:
> 
> 1) don't use Outlook
> 2) don't use pico
> 3) don't use GUI config tools
> 
> use the system you are attempting to learn, and truely learn it, don't
> rely on silly tools that try and do everything for you hiding how
> things work.  read books (hardcore books, not this half assed newbie
> crap), read man pages, try things, setup a home network.  spend a few
> years on it.
> 
> expect to take a couple years to really get good at things.  
> 
> one of the first things you should learn is how to install security
> updates, and how to monitor security lists and how to configure things
> securely.  the internet is mostly 0wn3d because of lame `admins' [0]
> who don't know how to install a security update to save thier life.
> 
> [0] i would rather not call them admins, as `morons with root
> password' is far more appropriate.  knowing root password != sysadmin 
> 
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> http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/
> 

Re: Sys Admin

[Alvin Oga]

hi anthony...

go to the local linux install festand see if you can help 
people build/debug their linux boxes if you can...you're doing pretty
good if you can see someone else fix the problemi would guess that
you just learned something too ???

- for more sys admin stuff...
- erase your hard diskand see how long it takes
for you to recover ...and if you lost any data...
( it'd simulate disk crashes and hacker logins )

- 1-2 hrs is all should be needed to recover ???

have fun linux
alvin

On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Anthony @ PencilFight Design wrote:

> Hello all,
> I am looking into becoming a Unix System Administrator. I know a few that
> all learned basically "on the job". I'm wondering if there is any one who
> knows of a good way to start. Online classes?  I've heard of the Red Book
> and of course the O-Reilly books but was wondering if there was any classes
> any one has heard about.
> 
> Thanks for your help.

Re: Sys Admin

[Noah L. Meyerhans]

On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 08:49:42PM -0700, Anthony @ PencilFight Design wrote:
> I am looking into becoming a Unix System Administrator. I know a few that
> all learned basically "on the job". I'm wondering if there is any one who
> knows of a good way to start. Online classes?  I've heard of the Red Book
> and of course the O-Reilly books but was wondering if there was any classes
> any one has heard about.

FYI, the Red Book is now purple.  

I don't know of any online classes, though there is some kind of
resource at http://wks.uts.ohio-state.edu/sysadm_course/sysadm.html.
(It might be old...I've had it in my bookmarks forever.  Maybe also
check things like http://www.ugu.com/

If you want to do it as a career (you are a masochist, and not because
of UNIX) you can look for "junior sysadmin" type job listings.  They'll
mostly have you do things like cycle backup tapes, monitor servers, or
act as a firewall between the (l)users and the higher up sysadmins.  If
that's not enough to discourage further pursuit of sysadminning, then
you deserve what you get...  

noah

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Re: Sys Admin

[Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier]

Are you wanting to Learn UNIX or Linux, or both? 

There's no easy way to pick up UNIX/Linux skills overnight, but
you might want to sign up for a beginning UNIX class with a local
college. I don't know about where you're at, but the local community
college where I'm at has two UNIX classes that are probably good
for beginners.

Setting up your own Linux box using Debian or Slackware is a good
start, and if you're looking for a well-rounded experience, try
some of the *BSDs. Linux and *BSD skills will translate well to
other UNIX-type OSes, but each has its own little quirks. 

You might see about getting a job with an ISP or college as a junior
admin, that might be a good learning environment.

As far as books are concerned...

"Running Linux" Matt Welsh
"Linux: Installation, Configuration and Use" Michael Kofler

Are both great general Linux starter guides.

I'm not really aware of any good online classes, but if you run
across some, be sure to post them to the list. 

Take care,

Zonker

On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Anthony @ PencilFight Design wrote:

> Hello all,
> I am looking into becoming a Unix System Administrator. I know a few that
> all learned basically "on the job". I'm wondering if there is any one who
> knows of a good way to start. Online classes?  I've heard of the Red Book
> and of course the O-Reilly books but was wondering if there was any classes
> any one has heard about.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> 
> Anthony Minero
> Creative Director
> PencilFight Design
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> Los Angeles, CA. 90291
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> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Sys Admin

[Ethan Benson]

On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 08:49:42PM -0700, Anthony @ PencilFight Design wrote:
> Hello all,
> I am looking into becoming a Unix System Administrator. I know a few that
> all learned basically "on the job". I'm wondering if there is any one who
> knows of a good way to start. Online classes?  I've heard of the Red Book
> and of course the O-Reilly books but was wondering if there was any classes
> any one has heard about.
> 
> Thanks for your help.

learn by doing, first:

1) don't use Outlook
2) don't use pico
3) don't use GUI config tools

use the system you are attempting to learn, and truely learn it, don't
rely on silly tools that try and do everything for you hiding how
things work.  read books (hardcore books, not this half assed newbie
crap), read man pages, try things, setup a home network.  spend a few
years on it.

expect to take a couple years to really get good at things.  

one of the first things you should learn is how to install security
updates, and how to monitor security lists and how to configure things
securely.  the internet is mostly 0wn3d because of lame `admins' [0]
who don't know how to install a security update to save thier life.

[0] i would rather not call them admins, as `morons with root
password' is far more appropriate.  knowing root password != sysadmin 

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Sys Admin

[Anthony @ PencilFight Design]

Hello all,
I am looking into becoming a Unix System Administrator. I know a few that
all learned basically "on the job". I'm wondering if there is any one who
knows of a good way to start. Online classes?  I've heard of the Red Book
and of course the O-Reilly books but was wondering if there was any classes
any one has heard about.

Thanks for your help.


Anthony Minero
Creative Director
PencilFight Design
2518 Lincoln Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA. 90291
310.403.6599

Textbooks for Sys Admin in Linux

[Mike O'Donnell]

Some weeks ago, I asked for recommendation s for a textbook for a
couse on System Administration in Linux. Thanks very much to those who
responded. A list of the books that I discovered, with minimal
comments is at

http://www.cs.uchicago.edu/~odonnell/OData/Courses/CS501/books.html

Several people mentioned similar courses available on the Web. I
listed those, and some others that I found, at

http://www.cs.uchicago.edu/~odonnell/OData/Courses/CS501/contents.html#similar_courses

Mike O'Donnell
U. Chicago
http://www.cs.uchicago.edu/~odonnell


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Textbook for Sys Admin with Linux

[Mike O'Donnell]

I will teach System Administration this autumn as part of the U Chicago CS
Dep't's "conversion masters" program, for graduates of non-CS curricula who
want computing jobs. The intent of the course is not to train them for
direct employement as sys admins; rather we intend to acculturate them as
hackers and give them a useful experience. The course will use Linux, with
Debian as the standard distribution.

I will value any advice regarding the best way to conduct such a course. I
*particularly* need to find a good textbook. Thanks in advance for your
help. If you would like to reply to me directly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]),
I will summarize replies for the list. Thanks,

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