Re: TRANSLATION Re: the instructions for win95 under dosemu
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Nelson Posse Lago wrote: > On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, Wesley Hart wrote: > > > And Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella spake, saying: > > > 2.B) he is lying > > > To lie is a bad thing, but people do it. Things that make me > > > > Let's not forget how close we are to April 1st - I think we've been > > the victims of a (fairly sucessful) April Fools prank. > > Nope... it was me who first posted this to the list, and I was *not* > trying to fool anybody; That's me again, these are the relevant points he mentions in the HOWTO (don't remember if the translation posted included everything): 1. Dosemu must be run as root; he mentions running as root or using "su"; Since he doesn't mention running suid, maybe dosemu acts differently running as root from running suid root (??). 2. EMS, XMS and DPMI should have 64M configured each. 3. You must have at least 200M swap. 4. You should umount all dos partitions that are to be used by dosemu. 5. He says you should leave X before running dosemu (?). 6. To switch virtual consoles, first open a DOS session under win95. 7. Formatting a disk and accessing the CD-ROM don't work for him, and only SB16 audio card is expected to work. 8. The rest is in his dosemu configuration file: http://www.pro-unix.org/~puma/dosemu.conf Note that his video card is a Trident-based card, which is a very common card in Brazil, but maybe not that much in the US. I would also point that maybe there are problems with svgatextmode, since it reconfigures the video hardware in a way that may make dos7/win95 choke. He also noted the problems with codepage and country setup on an email later. Finally, the fact that his dosemu is set to boot from drive A: may have some meaning; you may try to create a bootable win95 disk (really bootable, not the "emergency disk" win creates; try copying all files from the HD's root dir to a diskette, except for the swapfile, don't forget the system and hidden files). He says exploder/netscape worked, which kinda puzzles me. And he uses slackware, who knows if that may mean something... Well, that's it. If this is just a joke, I'm sorry I was the one who brought the subject up here... Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's Internet! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TRANSLATION Re: the instructions for win95 under dosemu
On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, Wesley Hart wrote: > And Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella spake, saying: > > 2.B) he is lying > > To lie is a bad thing, but people do it. Things that make me > > Let's not forget how close we are to April 1st - I think we've been > the victims of a (fairly sucessful) April Fools prank. Nope... it was me who first posted this to the list, and I was *not* trying to fool anybody; and puma (the howto author) posted this to the Brazilian linux list about a month ago, so nothing to do with april 1st. He is an active contributor to that list, and I seriously doubt he'd be joking, *but* he stated some people had trouble to do it, while some others had success. He also noted the codepage and country setup for Brazil prevented it to work for some people, who then took the info off config.sys/autoexec.bat and managed to make it work, while others simply had no luck. I'd like to point out that Winblows puts the video card in graphic mode and accesses it through third-party drivers. So, the video card can play a major role in this scenario. I bet this is so even with "standard" VGA drivers. Of course, you may think that I'm *really* trying to make you all look like fools ;-) , but that's not it, I just don't have first-hand experiences to share. And since I suspect that I wouldn't be able to make win95 TCP/IP work under linux, I didn't bother any longer (I need it around here for a couple of reasons). Has anybody tried "safe mode"? See ya, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's Internet! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TRANSLATION Re: the instructions for win95 under dosemu
On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Adrian Bridgett wrote: > On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 08:07:03AM -0800, Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: > > Luiz Otavio L Zorzella writes: > > > > > Here it goes. > > > > > It comes from: http://www.pro-unix.org/~puma/ > > > > > I translated the most important items: 2, 3 and 7. > > > > Well, folks. > > > > I don't know about you, but I tried. And tryed. And tryed. > > > > All I can get is, after the Blue Screen with the Windows logo, the > > message "It is safe now to turn off your computer." > > Using 0.67-15 I get the same, however with 0.97.4 I get it complaining about > the A20 line, XMS and HIMEM.SYS not being in the windows directory. I > *hate* that last one - I never told it to load himem.sys but it does so > whether or not it is in config.sys. add noauto the the end of the DOS= line in config.sys i.e. DOS=HIGH,UMB,NOAUTO stops it loading ifshlp.sys and setver.??? too... Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- It works fine except when I am in Windows. --- Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TRANSLATION Re: the instructions for win95 under dosemu
And Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella spake, saying: > 2.B) he is lying > To lie is a bad thing, but people do it. Things that make me Let's not forget how close we are to April 1st - I think we've been the victims of a (fairly sucessful) April Fools prank. -- Wesley Hart You can't spell 'Three artery blows' without 'Robert Wesley Hart'. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TRANSLATION Re: the instructions for win95 under dosemu
>> Luiz Otavio L Zorzella writes: >> >> > Here it goes. >> >> > It comes from: http://www.pro-unix.org/~puma/ >> >> > I translated the most important items: 2, 3 and 7. >> >> Well, folks. >> >> I don't know about you, but I tried. And tryed. And tryed. >> >> All I can get is, after the Blue Screen with the Windows logo, the >> message "It is safe now to turn off your computer." Hmm. Blue Screen and everything... seems to be working correctly. Shoot me. I just couldn't resist. --j -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TRANSLATION Re: the instructions for win95 under dosemu
On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 08:07:03AM -0800, Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: > Luiz Otavio L Zorzella writes: > > > Here it goes. > > > It comes from: http://www.pro-unix.org/~puma/ > > > I translated the most important items: 2, 3 and 7. > > Well, folks. > > I don't know about you, but I tried. And tryed. And tryed. > > All I can get is, after the Blue Screen with the Windows logo, the > message "It is safe now to turn off your computer." Using 0.67-15 I get the same, however with 0.97.4 I get it complaining about the A20 line, XMS and HIMEM.SYS not being in the windows directory. I *hate* that last one - I never told it to load himem.sys but it does so whether or not it is in config.sys. I'm running a 2.1.89 kernel and I'm trying to load win95 OSR2. Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | Because bloated, unstable PGP key available on public key servers | operating systems are from MS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TRANSLATION Re: the instructions for win95 under dosemu
I though it was pretty cool that you were shown the 'It is now safe..' screen. -- Stephen Gregory Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella > > Alexander List writes: > > > Hi, > > did you yourself try this? I installed a minimal Win95 on my C partition > > and used the dosemu.conf mentioned. After disabling the mode con codepage > > prepare stuff in autoexec.bat, Windows starts and then tells me > > (in German), "You can now turn off your computer." > > As I worte earlier today, this is exactly what happened to me. > -- > Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella Product Engineer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.conexware.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Forget Windows 95, friends (Re: TRANSLATION Re: the instructions for win95 under dosemu)
On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 06:01:56PM -0800, Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: > Alexander List writes: > > > Hi, > > did you yourself try this? I installed a minimal Win95 on my C partition > > and used the dosemu.conf mentioned. After disabling the mode con codepage > > prepare stuff in autoexec.bat, Windows starts and then tells me > > (in German), "You can now turn off your computer." > > As I worte earlier today, this is exactly what happened to me. A sloppy "me, too" will tell you everything. > Let's analise this situation. I'm not making any judgement, > please. I'm just exploring all the possibilities. "him" is the guy who > has that pages: > > 1) It works for him > > 1.A) works in his configuration of hardware and not mine > Hard to be. He said three different computers... He said even a DEC ALPHA would do it! Does somebody know if dosemu emulates intel instructions? (shall I jump directly to point 2 ?) Does dosemu work on other platforms? Lets look at the announcement: "ANNOUNCEMENT The DOSEMU team is proud to announce DOSEMU 0.66.7, the PC Emulator for x86 based *nix." Hehe, this guy made a mistake. Sorry people. > 1.B) works in his configuration of software and not mine > > 1.B.i) his dosemu works but mine does not > > 1.B.i.a) his version of dosemu woks and mine not > it's hard that since his version till mine dosemu had been > made worse, but it would be interesting if a bug in that > particular version would make it possible to run Win95 > :^>. Do you have a system where you can you test that > particular version of DosEmu? Is is possible to find this > version on the net? I have exactly the version he tells flying around on a OpenLinux Lite 1.1 in rpm and source-rpm format. I can send it to anyone who wants to try it. Tell me if it works for you :P > 1.B.i.b) his dosemu.conf woks and mine not > hard to be. I checked about everything (I did not actually > use his. I changed mine). I used his (only changed bootA) and tried mine. Didn't help. > 1.B.ii) other OS components in his computers make it work, and mine do > not have the right components > well, my system is a hamm... things should work ok... And > they do! > > 1.C) works in his Windows and not mine > it could even be that he has a version of windows that allows him > to do it. Microsoft could even have realized that Win 95 could > run inside an DPMI emulated system and put some nasty calls to be > sure it would not happen. Another thing: he might be using the > portuguese version... and that could be different. Yeah. Has anyone the portugese version? I think Microsoft put the dosemu on DEC Alpha compatibility switch in it ;) > 2) It doesn't work for him > > 2.A) he is mistaken > naa Hey, I know it: He pressed (unfortunately) Alt+F7 and found himself in fvwm95. This can happen very easily :) > 2.B) he is lying > To lie is a bad thing, but people do it. Things that make me > particularly suspicious in this case are: > - when one of these things happen in a linux community, everybody >gets to know about it. And so many people are involved in the >dosemu project that it's hard to beleive this would be >concealed for so long (look at the version of DosEmu he uses: >it's old...). A conspiration! ;) > - in his dosemu.conf it is said bootA ! Yeah, that's a funny thing I noticed, too. > - he never bothered translating the page Perhaps it was only for his friends. > - windows, AFAIK, needs ring 0, and dosemu does not do ring 0. Period. As I said. Another point: - dosemu does only run on x86 plattforms. Not on DEC ALPHA (hi guys from the alpha porting front!) > Well, anyway I hope someone implements a ring 0 emulation inside > dosemu. Shouldn't be that hard: whenever the program asks to go to > ring 0, DosEmu would intervent (which he already does), and enter in > an emulater mode - sort of a JIT compiler, much like what java JIT > compilers do. When the programs gets out of ring 0, dosemu would go > back to normal. Okay, let's hope for this. > And, of course: if you get to run Windows 95 inside dosemu, tell to > the world! No, don't tell it. Proof it. *Show* it. I think the boy made a funny joke. I wondered about DEC from the first moment on, but I wasn't sure (heck, I don't speak portugese). I too wasted my time on this. Let's all fdisk the windows partition away again and return to normal day of life. And don't delete the 200 MB swap. You will need it for Dosemu0.95.1 ;) Marcus I only believed him because he put up a lot of web pages for it. Gosh, some people have too much time... -- "Rhubarb is no Egyptian god."Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for pu
Re: TRANSLATION Re: the instructions for win95 under dosemu
Alexander List writes: > Hi, > did you yourself try this? I installed a minimal Win95 on my C partition > and used the dosemu.conf mentioned. After disabling the mode con codepage > prepare stuff in autoexec.bat, Windows starts and then tells me > (in German), "You can now turn off your computer." As I worte earlier today, this is exactly what happened to me. Let's analise this situation. I'm not making any judgement, please. I'm just exploring all the possibilities. "him" is the guy who has that pages: 1) It works for him 1.A) works in his configuration of hardware and not mine Hard to be. He said three different computers... 1.B) works in his configuration of software and not mine 1.B.i) his dosemu works but mine does not 1.B.i.a) his version of dosemu woks and mine not it's hard that since his version till mine dosemu had been made worse, but it would be interesting if a bug in that particular version would make it possible to run Win95 :^>. Do you have a system where you can you test that particular version of DosEmu? Is is possible to find this version on the net? 1.B.i.b) his dosemu.conf woks and mine not hard to be. I checked about everything (I did not actually use his. I changed mine). 1.B.ii) other OS components in his computers make it work, and mine do not have the right components well, my system is a hamm... things should work ok... And they do! 1.C) works in his Windows and not mine it could even be that he has a version of windows that allows him to do it. Microsoft could even have realized that Win 95 could run inside an DPMI emulated system and put some nasty calls to be sure it would not happen. Another thing: he might be using the portuguese version... and that could be different. 2) It doesn't work for him 2.A) he is mistaken naa 2.B) he is lying To lie is a bad thing, but people do it. Things that make me particularly suspicious in this case are: - when one of these things happen in a linux community, everybody gets to know about it. And so many people are involved in the dosemu project that it's hard to beleive this would be concealed for so long (look at the version of DosEmu he uses: it's old...). - in his dosemu.conf it is said bootA ! - he never bothered translating the page - windows, AFAIK, needs ring 0, and dosemu does not do ring 0. Period. Well, anyway I hope someone implements a ring 0 emulation inside dosemu. Shouldn't be that hard: whenever the program asks to go to ring 0, DosEmu would intervent (which he already does), and enter in an emulater mode - sort of a JIT compiler, much like what java JIT compilers do. When the programs gets out of ring 0, dosemu would go back to normal. And, of course: if you get to run Windows 95 inside dosemu, tell to the world! > Alex > -- > Windows 95: > n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an > 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, > written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. > ** > Alexander List @ HTU Graz, Rechbauerstr. 12, A-8010 Graz > Tel: +43-316-873-5111 Fax: +43-316-873-5115 > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.sbox.tu-graz.ac.at/home/alexlist > PGP public key available via WWW or on request > -- -- Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella Product Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.conexware.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TRANSLATION Re: the instructions for win95 under dosemu
Hi, did you yourself try this? I installed a minimal Win95 on my C partition and used the dosemu.conf mentioned. After disabling the mode con codepage prepare stuff in autoexec.bat, Windows starts and then tells me (in German), "You can now turn off your computer." Alex -- Windows 95: n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. ** Alexander List @ HTU Graz, Rechbauerstr. 12, A-8010 Graz Tel: +43-316-873-5111 Fax: +43-316-873-5115 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sbox.tu-graz.ac.at/home/alexlist PGP public key available via WWW or on request -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TRANSLATION Re: the instructions for win95 under dosemu
Luiz Otavio L Zorzella writes: > Here it goes. > It comes from: http://www.pro-unix.org/~puma/ > I translated the most important items: 2, 3 and 7. Well, folks. I don't know about you, but I tried. And tryed. And tryed. All I can get is, after the Blue Screen with the Windows logo, the message "It is safe now to turn off your computer." Did anyone have success? -- Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella Product Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.conexware.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TRANSLATION Re: the instructions for win95 under dosemu
Here it goes. It comes from: http://www.pro-unix.org/~puma/ I translated the most important items: 2, 3 and 7. Please, since I don't have time to deal with it, if you send the author this translation, please give me credit. If you're putting this info in another site on your own, please give credit both to the author and me. I'll test it too, since I'm VERY interested in that, but note that I do not know if it works! I just translated... If anything of the transation is not clear, feel free to email me. It might have some typos, because I did it in 20 minutes :^> Note that the author says that you should get his dosemu.conf... Go to his page for that. Z. 2. Does it really work? I have tested in three machines, with the following configurations: 1. Pentium 166 MMX, 24 MB RAM and 4GB HD. 2. 486 33, 8MB RAM and 340MB HD. 3. DEC ALPHA 533, 64 MB RAM and 4GB HD. In all of them I got satisfatory results, but some people at Internet say they could not do it. Unfortunatelly I did not gather data enough to say for sure which configurations are ideal or not. 3. How do I do? First get dosemu somewhere at Internet. In this very site you'll find the version 0.64.3, which was the one I used to run Win 95 under Linux. I beleive that any newer version will work with no problems. Be sure you're logged as root. If not, use the command "su". Install the tgz package with the pkgtool, go to the directory where you unpacked, compile and install dosemu. Read the docs! Now, get my , and change it according to your configuration. Don't worry, it's easy. The file comes full of comments that will help you edit it. The most important lines are the EMS, XMS and DPMI memories. Be sure to put 64Mb in each of them! Important: Issue a "umount" in all the DOS partitions where you gave access at dosemu.conf. Make a 200 Mb swap space. I meant it! 200 Mb! How? You don't need to use fdisk. Use the commands: dd if=/dev/zero of=/root/swap1 bs=1024 count=10 mkswap /root/swap1 swapon /root/swap1 dd if=/dev/zero of=/root/swap2 bs=1024 count=10 mkswap /root/swap2 swapon /root/swap2 Where /root/swap1 and /root/swap2 may be any file name, anywhere in your file system, where you have 200 Mb of free space. To know the free space, use the command "df". Now, exit X-Windows, type "dos"... and wait! If everything is right at dosemu.conf Windows 95 will init. That's all! 7. Little problems under DosEmu 1. It is impossible to format a disk inside dosemu (since it does not implement the function int13, that both DOS and Windows use to format disks). 2. cdrom does not work 3. Beleive it or not, it seems that's all! Win 95 works almost normally under dosemu! -- Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella Product Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.conexware.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
