Re: The LSL TriLinux2 CD?
-- From: Hunter Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: The LSL TriLinux2 CD? Date: Tuesday, February 18, 1997 7:00 PM At 05:45 AM 2/17/97 +0100, Paul Seelig wrote: The best naturally is to order one of those writable CD's from I-Connect Why is that? BTW. Is there a 1.2.5, Yes! Our Current Tri Linux CD contains Deb 1.2.5 with the contrib. directory. This is a binary only release. so we were able to fit the full binary distributions of Red Hat 4.1 and slackware 3.1 on the CD as well. We started shipping last week, see http://www.lsl.com. We plan on updating this CD monthly and hope that we can incorporate a single floppy or no floppy install in the next few iterations. -Dan. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The LSL TriLinux2 CD?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], William Chow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I see no reason why there ought to be another one of these quick ref manuals for Linux. The dozen or so commands that are different from Sys V and the lpr system are not worth whatever amount of money it is to get another book if you already own a the UNIX book, and although Linux newbies might benefit from the quick reference, often I think the man pages are much better. It is IMHO great to have a reference book dedicated primarily to the GNU tools because it is the relevant thing for Linux. The man pages have the disadvantage that you have to read them on the screen and that they usually contain too much data to be useful information. And i do think it is nice to actually have a real book made out real paper in your hands when doing your work. Nothing beats a well structured book when you need information instead of data. For the same money I'd get the Matt Welsh Running Linux book, which is in a 2nd edition and a lot of fun to read. You'd pay more money for less information actually! I've bought Running Linux one year ago and was largely disappointed because it seems to be primarily aimed at the beginner and leaves lots to be desired when you are more advanced. The chapters on programming and LaTeX are IMHO a waste of the paper they are printed on because they hardly scratch the surface and are not really useful. Here in Germany exist some books which are clearly better in this regard. It is probably a good book for doing positive Linux advocacy among those who still need to be convinced. I personally don't like that it contains so much words in comparison to such few useful information making it useable for your day to day reference. Linux in a Nutshell has the advantage of being very condensed and referencing almost everything you need to lookup once upon a while in a single source of information. Great book! :-) Regards, P. *8^) -- Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany Our AMA Homepage in the WWW at http://www.uni-mainz.de/~bender/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[REVIEW] Linux in a Nutshell [was: Re: The LSL TriLinux2 CD?]
Hi John! I suppose others would be interested in such a reply as well therefore i've sent this to 'debian-user' too. I hope you don't mind breakage of the netiquette regarding email in this special case, ok? ;-) On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, John M. Rulnick wrote: I was thinking about buying Linux in a Nutshell when I read your comment. Can you summarize what you like about it? Do you also have Welsh and Kaufman's Running Linux? Are they similar? I have Welsh and Kaufman's Running Linux too but i don't like it very much as a reference book. Running Linux is good for the unexperienced newbie without any former Unix knowledge but not for those who are already there. Give it as a present to someone who needs to be convinced into using Linux and who needs basic guidance. For this it should be really great but for experienced users it is very much too superficial. I'm glad that here in Germany numerous original books for the advanced user about Linux are published which are clearly superior to Running Linux, which BTW also exists as a translation of the first edition here by the German O'Reilly branch. Linux in a Nutshell is a whole other story though. Check out the table of contents for this book and it's description at the O'Reilly web site http://www.ora.com;. It is one of those rare very well organized sites and you will easily find your way to this book's description page. It is by no means suitable for the beginner but as in the tradition of the Unix in a Nutshell line it is a rather complete reference to most commands available in a well set up GNU/Linux environment. It covers exclusively the GNU pendants of regular Unix commands and may therefore be useable for everyone running GNU tools in other Unix environments. I'll cite some sentences from the preface and the introduction because IMHO they are describing the book very well: [...] This book is a quick reference for the basic commands and features of the Linux operating system. As with other books in O'Reilly's in a Nutshell series, this book is geared toward users who know what they want to do and have some idea how to do it, but just can't remember the correct command or option. (p. iv) [...] This book will not tell you how to install and maintain a Linux system. For that you will need 'Running Linux', (...). (p. iv) [...] 'UNIX in a Nutshell' doesn't teach you UNIX -- it is, after all, a quick reference -- but novices as well as highly experienced users find it of great value. [...] It is also an eye-opener: it can make you aware of options that you never knew about before. (p. 3) [...] With 'Linux in a Nutshell', we have thoroughly updated and adapted 'UNIX in a Nutshell' for Linux. Not only that, we've produced a book that many other UNIX users will want too, because for the first time this reference work covers the tolls produced by the FSF for the GNU project. GNU tools are popular on a lot of UNIX systems, so you may be using them even if you don't run Linux. (p. 3) I've waited so much for such a book to come out that i even bought 'UNIX in a Nutshell' about one year ago although it doesn't come even close for lack of covering GNU tools. I was so fed up searching command parameters throughout various Linux books and initelligibly large man pages. 'Linux in a Nutshell' puts it all in one place. I definitely would buy it again! ;-) Regards, P. *8^) PS: I supposed the book still contains some errors which i have not detected being no Unix or Linux geek at all. Maybe someone more competent than myself could post a more in depth review? -- Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany Our AMA Homepage in the WWW at http://www.uni-mainz.de/~bender/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The LSL TriLinux2 CD?
On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Paul Seelig wrote: On the other hand there is nothing better than a recently burned writable CD when you want it really uptodate and like being on the edge. But for the same price anybody could get a CheapBytes CD and a very good Linux book. Anybody has bought the new Linux in a ^^ Nutshell from O'Reilly? A really nice and useful book IMHO! I have the UNIX in a Nutshell book (Sys V and Solaris release). Other than a rather sneaky marketting ploy by O'Reilly (No, not all their books are up to snuff... if you want a case and point check out their C++ manuals or the GNU Utilities book, which is basically a reprint of stuff in a lot of other books) I see no reason why there ought to be another one of these quick ref manuals for Linux. The dozen or so commands that are different from Sys V and the lpr system are not worth whatever amount of money it is to get another book if you already own a the UNIX book, and although Linux newbies might benefit from the quick reference, often I think the man pages are much better. (That is, if you have man installed and working properly :) ) For the same money I'd get the Matt Welsh Running Linux book, which is in a 2nd edition and a lot of fun to read. Larry Wall's Perl book seems to be becoming the next KR, being popular amongst all programmers. The O'Reilly Xlib books need a heavy update (they should merge the R6 release notes into the books..). They are the most thorough, but don't seem to adress many of the modern tools for X GUIs, but I digress... Perhaps someone should convince them to write a chapter about Debian in one of their Linux boooks? After all, Debian, being a total volunteer effort and having been sanctioned by FSF ought to be mentioned... (Running Debian Linux?) Will -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The LSL TriLinux2 CD?
On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote: On 16 Feb 1997, Kai Grossjohann wrote: I created a RESQ disk and a DRV disk, booted with the RESQ disk, told it to mount the CD, executed a shell, made a symlink /tmp/base1_2.tgz pointing to the base1_2.tgz file on the CD, then told the installation thingy to install from a mounted partition, and everything was dandy. Two floppies, not six :-) With loadlin you could do this with 0 floppies. Is there some documentation on this? I read through the install.html file last January and didn't see any way to install it other than by making 6 floppies.. Is there a HOW-To or something? Thanks, Jason -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The LSL TriLinux2 CD?
At 05:45 AM 2/17/97 +0100, Paul Seelig wrote: The best naturally is to order one of those writable CD's from I-Connect Why is that? BTW. Is there a 1.2.5, or is that a typo that's being propagated? I've been following Debian for awhile, but at this point I am unsure how to determine when a 1.2.X update hs been made. Any hints? Thanks! hunter -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
