Re: The juggernaught expands?

[joost]

On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I tried StarOffice4...downloaded it..burned it to CD and brought it home.
> I can't get it to work. It installsit loads comes up with a nice window
> and seg faults. I believe a work-around was found on this list a while
> back...I never tried it again after that.
> 
> Anyone remember how to make it work (I am running a hamm system BTW)

You need libc5 for StarOffice.  You can safely install it next to libc6 on
a hamm system.

Cheers,


Joost


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Re: The juggernaught expands?

[Ian Eure]

On Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 07:59:36PM -0700, George Bonser wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Derek Tam wrote:
> 
> > I dunno if this is related, but http://linus.microsoft.com/ was spotted
> > the other day up and running Redhat 5.1.  nslookup showed that the
> > domain indeed resolved to a Microsoft netbock.  The domain has since
> > been removed.
> > 
> > Derek
> 
> No, probably has NOTHING to do with it.  Microsoft has always had a few
> linux webservers around for testing their browser.
> monkeyhead.microsoft.com is an example as is egg.microsoft.com though egg
> has had its Red Hat page replaced.
Actually, MS has used linux systems for several years- there is a farm of old
Slack 2.x boxes (I believe) that run the MS PBX system. Or, at least that's what
their network admin said to me personally a few years back when I visited. It's
kinda ironic that all the calls for help with windows problems get switched to
the support tech by a linux box. :)

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Re: The juggernaught expands?

[sjc]

On Fri, Jun 19, 1998 at 12:52:14PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 10:12:02AM -0700, George Bonser wrote:
> > > On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Shaleh wrote:
> > > 
> > Oh gee just what we need. I will admit, I could use a good word processor
> > LIKE Word...but please NOT word!
[snip - I said it ill snip it :) ]
> > (I believe I told the story on this list before of when I was called to 
> > look at a MS Word file that was corrupt when a grant was pending at 
> > the hospital)
> 
> Currently I use Star Office for my office/word processing needs in Linux.
> The program is pretty good and I like it. You should try d/ling it :)

I tried StarOffice4...downloaded it..burned it to CD and brought it home.
I can't get it to work. It installsit loads comes up with a nice window
and seg faults. I believe a work-around was found on this list a while
back...I never tried it again after that.

Anyone remember how to make it work (I am running a hamm system BTW)

-Steve


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Re: The juggernaught expands?

[ssnow]

On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 10:12:02AM -0700, George Bonser wrote:
> > On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Shaleh wrote:
> > 
> > > Well. I like that we are mentioned (-:  Looks like IE for Linux is
> > > coming our way.
> > > 
> > 
> > I hope they are not wasting their time with a program like IE that most
> > will never use, I hope they are porting Word, Excel, and Power
> > Pig^H^Hoint.
> 
> Oh gee just what we need. I will admit, I could use a good word processor
> LIKE Word...but please NOT word!
> 
> I mean really...its a word processor...nice to have but...come on...
> they can't even keep it compatible with older versions of itself!
> and just think of all the benefits of having word... Word Macro Viruses,
> a completely asinine file format. 
> (I believe I told the story on this list before of when I was called to 
> look at a MS Word file that was corrupt when a grant was pending at 
> the hospital)

Currently I use Star Office for my office/word processing needs in Linux.
The program is pretty good and I like it. You should try d/ling it :)


>  
> > The only way IE gets users is by forcing the browers down their throats
> > like Mac and Win do. Given an equal choice, 85% choose Netscape and 15%
> > choose Exploder.
> >
> 
> Definitly. And lucky for us...it will be impossible for Uncle Bill to force 
> Linux users to install IE. Oh and another great "Feature" that comes with IE
> ActiveX.
> 
> > 
> > Microsoft! Which end of the stick do you want today?
> 
> Exactly! And thats exactly why I wont use their products, even if they come
> out for linux. I mean I understand that they are a buisness and it is their
> job to make money...not to make people happy.
> 
> What they do is "good buisness" in the most pure sense but...there are limits
> They take "good buisness" to the most apauling level...I personally 
> find it disgusting.
> 
> They will not see a dime from my wallet as long as I can help it.
> 
> -Steve
> 
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Re: The juggernaught expands?

[sjc]

On Fri, Jun 19, 1998 at 03:33:00PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 02:33:36PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > LIKE Word...but please NOT word!
> 
> Let's not get hysterical.
> 
> > I mean really...its a word processor...nice to have but...come on...
> > they can't even keep it compatible with older versions of itself!
> 
> What? Word 97 can read back to Word 2 and probably Word 1.1 for Windows,
> as well as Word 5 for DOS etc. Word 97 can write Word 95 format too if
> you get the service pack (95 writing support is a bit broken without it),
> and Word 2 too I think.

ahh yes...but..most people don't know about that. Here at work we have
Office95. We suuport Office95...people with Office97 are unsupported
until we offciqally upgrade. Often someone comes across a file that
they can not open because it is in the new format. 

> > and just think of all the benefits of having word... Word Macro Viruses,
> > a completely asinine file format. 
> 
> Word warns you that the document contains macros before opening it and
> gives you the option of removing them.

Ahh does it? I think not. I have never seen it ask UNTIL I 
open scanprot.dot and let it install its Macros into normal.dot.

and speaking of normal.dot...that is opne funky file anyway. I don't
know how many times I have seen someone with Word problems...no virus
found, but when I delete normal.dot (to force its re-creation) the problems
go away. 

-Steve


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Re: The juggernaught expands?

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 02:33:36PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> LIKE Word...but please NOT word!

Let's not get hysterical.

> I mean really...its a word processor...nice to have but...come on...
> they can't even keep it compatible with older versions of itself!

What? Word 97 can read back to Word 2 and probably Word 1.1 for Windows,
as well as Word 5 for DOS etc. Word 97 can write Word 95 format too if
you get the service pack (95 writing support is a bit broken without it),
and Word 2 too I think.

> and just think of all the benefits of having word... Word Macro Viruses,
> a completely asinine file format. 

Word warns you that the document contains macros before opening it and
gives you the option of removing them.



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Re: The juggernaught expands?

[sjc]

On Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 11:32:24AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:33:36 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >Definitly. And lucky for us...it will be impossible for Uncle Bill to force 
> >Linux users to install IE. Oh and another great "Feature" that comes with IE
> >ActiveX.
> 
> The Mac version doesn't have AX, something tells me a Linux version
> wouldn't either.

Thats good to hear...well...its as good as it is bad...
I mean really...I wont use it anyway...I liek Netscape so much more

> >Exactly! And thats exactly why I wont use their products, even if they come
> >out for linux. I mean I understand that they are a buisness and it is their
> >job to make money...not to make people happy.
> 
> Why is it that people always assume that making money and making people
> happy are always mutually exclusive?
> 

Now...I never said making money and makin gpeople happy are mutually 
exclusive. The problem is that often it can be the case that they are.
The road which makes the MOST money often does not take the well
being and happiness of the customer into mind.

My gripe with microsoft is simple to me. I work with computers because
I enjoy it. If it wasn't for the fact that I am so in love with them,
I wouldn't be here typing now. Microsoft is out for money. They
put together their systems solely for money..and that is obvious.

I think of them as the restraunt that could make their hamburgers
with grade A or B meat and make a good meal, and still make a profit, 
but instead decides to serve you grade D meat and still charge the 
same price. The Denny's of the software industry (I havge eaten once 
at Denny's and I think that the analogy is a good one)

If it wasn't for their buisness tactics (using their muscle to make
people sign contracts saying that they will only sell PCs with Windows
on it, and forceing IE onto every desktop) I wouldn't hasve much of 
a problem with them. I still wouldn't use their software unles they 
improved it...but...I woul dbe able to tolerate them more

-Steve

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Re: The juggernaught expands?

[Derek Tam]

>   "Microsoft is seeking testers registered in our 
> Beta Test program who are experienced in, and have 
> access to, the Linux operating system (Redhat or Debian 

I dunno if this is related, but http://linus.microsoft.com/ was spotted
the other day up and running Redhat 5.1.  nslookup showed that the
domain indeed resolved to a Microsoft netbock.  The domain has since
been removed.

Derek






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Re: The juggernaught expands?

[Steve Lamb]

On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:33:36 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Definitly. And lucky for us...it will be impossible for Uncle Bill to force 
>Linux users to install IE. Oh and another great "Feature" that comes with IE
>ActiveX.

The Mac version doesn't have AX, something tells me a Linux version
wouldn't either.

>Exactly! And thats exactly why I wont use their products, even if they come
>out for linux. I mean I understand that they are a buisness and it is their
>job to make money...not to make people happy.

Why is it that people always assume that making money and making people
happy are always mutually exclusive?


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Re: The juggernaught expands?

[sjc]

On Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 10:12:02AM -0700, George Bonser wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Shaleh wrote:
> 
> > Well. I like that we are mentioned (-:  Looks like IE for Linux is
> > coming our way.
> > 
> 
> I hope they are not wasting their time with a program like IE that most
> will never use, I hope they are porting Word, Excel, and Power
> Pig^H^Hoint.

Oh gee just what we need. I will admit, I could use a good word processor
LIKE Word...but please NOT word!

I mean really...its a word processor...nice to have but...come on...
they can't even keep it compatible with older versions of itself!
and just think of all the benefits of having word... Word Macro Viruses,
a completely asinine file format. 
(I believe I told the story on this list before of when I was called to 
look at a MS Word file that was corrupt when a grant was pending at 
the hospital)
 
> The only way IE gets users is by forcing the browers down their throats
> like Mac and Win do. Given an equal choice, 85% choose Netscape and 15%
> choose Exploder.
>

Definitly. And lucky for us...it will be impossible for Uncle Bill to force 
Linux users to install IE. Oh and another great "Feature" that comes with IE
ActiveX.

> 
> Microsoft! Which end of the stick do you want today?

Exactly! And thats exactly why I wont use their products, even if they come
out for linux. I mean I understand that they are a buisness and it is their
job to make money...not to make people happy.

What they do is "good buisness" in the most pure sense but...there are limits
They take "good buisness" to the most apauling level...I personally 
find it disgusting.

They will not see a dime from my wallet as long as I can help it.

-Steve


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The juggernaught expands?

[Glenn Amerine]

> "Rift" == Rift  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Rift>   My father is a beta tester for Microsoft products.  On
Rift> his mailing list recently he recieved yet another call for
Rift> testers. This one, however seemed out of place to him, so he
Rift> called me about it.  "Microsoft is seeking testers
Rift> registered in our Beta Test program who are experienced in,
Rift> and have access to, the Linux operating system (Redhat or
Rift> Debian distributions preferred) and are able to run XFree86
Rift> reliably.  Please respond to"

Rift> Anyone heard of this yet? what are they testing?  He
Rift> responded, but it'll be a while before he hears anything
Rift> [typically 3-4 weeks.]

They might be checking to make sure Windows98 cleanly wipes out Linux
as it installs. ;-}

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Re: The juggernaught expands?

[Shaleh]

Rift wrote:
> 
> My father is a beta tester for Microsoft products.  On his mailing 
> list recently he recieved yet another call for testers. This one, however 
> seemed out of place to him, so he called me about it.
> 
> "Microsoft is seeking testers registered in our Beta Test program who 
> are experienced in, and have access to, the Linux operating system (Redhat or 
> Debian distributions preferred) and are able to run XFree86 reliably.  Please 
> respond to"
> 
> Anyone heard of this yet? what are they testing?  He responded, but it'll be 
> a while before he hears anything [typically 3-4 weeks.]
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Well. I like that we are mentioned (-:  Looks like IE for Linux is
coming our way.


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The juggernaught expands?

[Rift]

My father is a beta tester for Microsoft products.  On his mailing list 
recently he recieved yet another call for testers. This one, however seemed out 
of place to him, so he called me about it.

"Microsoft is seeking testers registered in our Beta Test program who 
are experienced in, and have access to, the Linux operating system (Redhat or 
Debian distributions preferred) and are able to run XFree86 reliably.  Please 
respond to"


Anyone heard of this yet? what are they testing?  He responded, but it'll be a 
while before he hears anything [typically 3-4 weeks.]



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