Re: Thunar, USB-sticks and big files
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 07:43:54PM +0100, Andreas Rönnquist wrote: Try 'sync' after the write is supposedly complete; see what happens when the system actually tries to write to the device. Open a shell and 'tail -f /var/log/messages' to see if anything is griping about the device during writes. Hmmm. You *are* waiting for the cached data to be flushed to the drive before unplugging it, right? hmm, I now I have tried several different USB-sticks, and I still have the problem (It perhaps isn't quite as serious as I believed though)... If having copied a big file, unmounting through Thunar pretty much always results in the following error message: Failed unmounting 'Devicename' Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. - after a short while (way before the actual writing is done) - But, if I keep waiting for some time _after_ this, the data is still written to the device as it should. However, it doesn't give any clue whatsoever to when it actually is finished writing the files to the device, so it is easy to (by mistake) physically take the USB-stick before the data is actually written. However, I do have one USB-stick, that actually lights up a LED during copying, making it pretty easy to spot when it is safe to remove it and not, but I kind of wish that that sort of feature wouldn't be necessary to safely use an USB-stick... If I don't copy any files, or just copy small files, I get that standard It's now safe to remove the device when unmounting - This is what I expect in the scenario with bigger files described above too after copying is done, but no... I do not know how slow is your USB stick but running sync in terminal should write disk cache to USB stick for sure. Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121121115024.GB11848@goofy.localdomain
Thunar, USB-sticks and big files
Hi guys! I have a problem copying big files to an USB-stick using thunar in Debian Stable. Doing the actual copying is mostly fine and no error is printed, but when unmounting the USB memory (I guess it is then the files are actually copied) - the device pretty much always times out, giving an error message, and the copied files are not readable. I do this to copy ripped DVD's to USB memory for viewing in a TV with USB connection - the result is that if the files are copied using Thunar, it fails, the files are not readable by the TV, but if copying using terminal and a simple cp, it works just fine. Has anybody seen similar results - is there anything to be done to solve it? Nothing extremely serious, I can still copy the files using terminal as I said, but it would be nice to have it working using only Thunar too. -- Andreas Rönnquist mailingli...@gusnan.se gus...@gusnan.se signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Thunar, USB-sticks and big files
Hi, On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:58:29AM +0100, Andreas Rönnquist wrote: Hi guys! I have a problem copying big files to an USB-stick using thunar in ... I do this to copy ripped DVD's to USB memory for viewing in a TV with ... Nothing extremely serious, I can still copy the files using terminal as I said, but it would be nice to have it working using only Thunar too. You see this list talking the same problem :-) You are hitting 4GB limit of FAT. Reformat USB stick with * ext2/3/4 if moving around Linux. * Darwin UFS, I think, for Mac * NTFS for Windows ... Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121118122815.GA24927@goofy.localdomain
Re: Thunar, USB-sticks and big files
Hi, On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:58:29AM +0100, Andreas Rönnquist wrote: Hi guys! I have a problem copying big files to an USB-stick using thunar in ... I do this to copy ripped DVD's to USB memory for viewing in a TV with ... Nothing extremely serious, I can still copy the files using terminal as I said, but it would be nice to have it working using only Thunar too. You see this list talking the same problem :-) You are hitting 4GB limit of FAT. Reformat USB stick with * ext2/3/4 if moving around Linux. * Darwin UFS, I think, for Mac * NTFS for Windows ... (No need to CC the replies to me, I read the list) But I am not nowhere near using 4GB... Files are around 700MB each, and one of the tried USB sticks is only 2GB big, so I would guess that doesn't apply? - and as I said, it works just fine when doing the same thing in a terminal. Copying works just fine in both terminal and Thunar, but when unmounting the device (I guess its at this point the files are actually written to the device), the action times out (and the resulting files are not properly readable) when using Thunar, but not when using the terminal. /Andreas signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Thunar, USB-sticks and big files
On Sunday, November 18, 2012 07:57:09 AM Andreas Rönnquist wrote: Hi, On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:58:29AM +0100, Andreas Rönnquist wrote: Hi guys! I have a problem copying big files to an USB-stick using thunar in ... I do this to copy ripped DVD's to USB memory for viewing in a TV with ... Nothing extremely serious, I can still copy the files using terminal as I said, but it would be nice to have it working using only Thunar too. You see this list talking the same problem :-) You are hitting 4GB limit of FAT. Reformat USB stick with * ext2/3/4 if moving around Linux. * Darwin UFS, I think, for Mac * NTFS for Windows ... (No need to CC the replies to me, I read the list) But I am not nowhere near using 4GB... Files are around 700MB each, and one of the tried USB sticks is only 2GB big, so I would guess that doesn't apply? - and as I said, it works just fine when doing the same thing in a terminal. Copying works just fine in both terminal and Thunar, but when unmounting the device (I guess its at this point the files are actually written to the device), the action times out (and the resulting files are not properly readable) when using Thunar, but not when using the terminal. /Andreas Try 'sync' after the write is supposedly complete; see what happens when the system actually tries to write to the device. Open a shell and 'tail -f /var/log/messages' to see if anything is griping about the device during writes. Hmmm. You *are* waiting for the cached data to be flushed to the drive before unplugging it, right? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211181231.01744.neal.p.mur...@alum.wpi.edu
Re: Thunar, USB-sticks and big files
Try 'sync' after the write is supposedly complete; see what happens when the system actually tries to write to the device. Open a shell and 'tail -f /var/log/messages' to see if anything is griping about the device during writes. Hmmm. You *are* waiting for the cached data to be flushed to the drive before unplugging it, right? hmm, I now I have tried several different USB-sticks, and I still have the problem (It perhaps isn't quite as serious as I believed though)... If having copied a big file, unmounting through Thunar pretty much always results in the following error message: Failed unmounting 'Devicename' Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. - after a short while (way before the actual writing is done) - But, if I keep waiting for some time _after_ this, the data is still written to the device as it should. However, it doesn't give any clue whatsoever to when it actually is finished writing the files to the device, so it is easy to (by mistake) physically take the USB-stick before the data is actually written. However, I do have one USB-stick, that actually lights up a LED during copying, making it pretty easy to spot when it is safe to remove it and not, but I kind of wish that that sort of feature wouldn't be necessary to safely use an USB-stick... If I don't copy any files, or just copy small files, I get that standard It's now safe to remove the device when unmounting - This is what I expect in the scenario with bigger files described above too after copying is done, but no... -- Andreas Rönnquist mailingli...@gusnan.se gus...@gusnan.se signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Thunar, USB-sticks and big files
On Sunday, November 18, 2012 01:43:54 PM Andreas Rönnquist wrote: Try 'sync' after the write is supposedly complete; see what happens when the system actually tries to write to the device. Open a shell and 'tail -f /var/log/messages' to see if anything is griping about the device during writes. Hmmm. You *are* waiting for the cached data to be flushed to the drive before unplugging it, right? hmm, I now I have tried several different USB-sticks, and I still have the problem (It perhaps isn't quite as serious as I believed though)... If having copied a big file, unmounting through Thunar pretty much always results in the following error message: Failed unmounting 'Devicename' Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. - after a short while (way before the actual writing is done) - But, if I keep waiting for some time _after_ this, the data is still written to the device as it should. However, it doesn't give any clue whatsoever to when it actually is finished writing the files to the device, so it is easy to (by mistake) physically take the USB-stick before the data is actually written. However, I do have one USB-stick, that actually lights up a LED during copying, making it pretty easy to spot when it is safe to remove it and not, but I kind of wish that that sort of feature wouldn't be necessary to safely use an USB-stick... If I don't copy any files, or just copy small files, I get that standard It's now safe to remove the device when unmounting - This is what I expect in the scenario with bigger files described above too after copying is done, but no... The current version of teh command line umount does seem to wait until all data are flushed to the drive before exiting; older versions, IIRC, didn't necessarily wait. Hmmm. You said 'timeout'. Could it be that Thunar doesn't wait long enough? See if there's a way to increase that timeout. 10 seconds generally ought to be long enough, unless you have a *very* slow flash drive. Or, if there's a way to do it, tell Thunar to mount using -o sync; this should disable caching (that is, make the effective policy 'write-through'). Writes will be slower, but you won't have to wait for the flush to complete when unmounting. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211181419.48442.neal.p.mur...@alum.wpi.edu
