Re: To enable the power management mechanism
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:32 AM, T o n g mlist4sunt...@yahoo.com wrote: On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:17:57 +, T o n g wrote: ... Of all the following acpi related packages, which ones do you have (or, which ones should I tell my debootstrap to install)? acpi-fakekey - tool to generate fake key events acpi-support-base - scripts for handling base ACPI events such as the power button acpi-support - scripts for handling many ACPI events acpi - displays information on ACPI devices acpid - Advanced Configuration and Power Interface event daemon acpitool - command line ACPI client acpidump - utilities to dump system's ACPI tables to an ASCII file laptop-detect - attempt to detect a laptop laptop-mode-tools - Tools for Power Savings based on battery/AC status sleepd - puts an inactive or low battery laptop to sleep Thanks -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) I don't have the context of you previous e-mail, so my answer is just biased by what I use, which is NO desktop environment at all, also notice, it's a matter of taste most of the time... So what I install is: acpi acpitool acpid acpi-support-base laptop-mode-tools cpufrequtils cpufreqd lm-sensors sensord I do suspend to RAM through acpitool -s and suspend to disk through acpitool -S, so I don't need any other suspending solution... laptop-detect is a dependency for some of those I mentioned, so I didn't include it. I believe acpi-support-base is also a dependency, so probably I shouldn't have included it, but well, I'm not sure. acpi-fakekey is a dependency for acpi-support, so if you include acpi-support, the other will be installed. acpi-support is nice specially if one doesn't have a desktop environment, and wants some buttons and keys support, but I found it too bloated for my taste, and I do things through commands or menu entries in fluxbox, so I don't really need it, and besides some of the stuff doesn't even work for me. But you might want to use it fi it provides something to you... I'm not sure about power button application you included, but perhaps if you have acpi-support, you won't need it. Sounds like they overlap, not sure if can coexist. I've never used power button. acpidump is just if you're in need to print out acpi tables. I never had the need, :-) -- Javier. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikwptteuugvwesgnm7wp5dximf=fmoxf+-p9...@mail.gmail.com
Re: To enable the power management mechanism
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:37:55 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: I don't have the context of you previous e-mail, so my answer is just biased by what I use, which is NO desktop environment at all Thanks. I use fluxbox and don't use desktop environment myself as well (my wife does). Thank you for your detailed explanation to disentangle them for me. May I know what laptop that you are using? -- mine is just causing me too much trouble to configure. Thanks -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/ http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i7iobt$m3...@dough.gmane.org
Re: To enable the power management mechanism
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:32:13 +, T o n g wrote: On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:17:57 +, T o n g wrote: you shouldn't care about the backend used by gnome-power-manager . . . Nowadays gnome-power-manager seems to use DBus instad of HAL, though. I build my system from scratch (debootstrap). Ok, let me specify gnome-power-manager and the acpi-support package this time, removing all detailed back-end supporting package from the list, hoping that the Debian will figure out the rest for me. Of all the following acpi related packages, which ones do you have (or, which ones should I tell my debootstrap to install)? acpi-fakekey - tool to generate fake key events acpi-support-base - scripts for handling base ACPI events such as the power button acpi-support - scripts for handling many ACPI events acpi - displays information on ACPI devices acpid - Advanced Configuration and Power Interface event daemon acpitool - command line ACPI client acpidump - utilities to dump system's ACPI tables to an ASCII file laptop-detect - attempt to detect a laptop laptop-mode-tools - Tools for Power Savings based on battery/AC status sleepd - puts an inactive or low battery laptop to sleep From that list I only have installed acpi (in both, lenny and squeeze - the latter installed inside a virtual machine-) and also the GNOME environment. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.09.24.18.05...@gmail.com
Re: To enable the power management mechanism
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Javier Vasquez j.e.vasque...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:32 AM, T o n g mlist4sunt...@yahoo.com wrote: On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:17:57 +, T o n g wrote: ... Of all the following acpi related packages, which ones do you have (or, which ones should I tell my debootstrap to install)? acpi-fakekey - tool to generate fake key events acpi-support-base - scripts for handling base ACPI events such as the power button acpi-support - scripts for handling many ACPI events acpi - displays information on ACPI devices acpid - Advanced Configuration and Power Interface event daemon acpitool - command line ACPI client acpidump - utilities to dump system's ACPI tables to an ASCII file laptop-detect - attempt to detect a laptop laptop-mode-tools - Tools for Power Savings based on battery/AC status sleepd - puts an inactive or low battery laptop to sleep Thanks -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) I don't have the context of you previous e-mail, so my answer is just biased by what I use, which is NO desktop environment at all, also notice, it's a matter of taste most of the time... So what I install is: acpi acpitool acpid acpi-support-base laptop-mode-tools cpufrequtils cpufreqd lm-sensors sensord I do suspend to RAM through acpitool -s and suspend to disk through acpitool -S, so I don't need any other suspending solution... laptop-detect is a dependency for some of those I mentioned, so I didn't include it. I believe acpi-support-base is also a dependency, so probably I shouldn't have included it, but well, I'm not sure. acpi-fakekey is a dependency for acpi-support, so if you include acpi-support, the other will be installed. acpi-support is nice specially if one doesn't have a desktop environment, and wants some buttons and keys support, but I found it too bloated for my taste, and I do things through commands or menu entries in fluxbox, so I don't really need it, and besides some of the stuff doesn't even work for me. But you might want to use it fi it provides something to you... I'm not sure about power button application you included, but perhaps if you have acpi-support, you won't need it. Sounds like they overlap, not sure if can coexist. I've never used power button. acpidump is just if you're in need to print out acpi tables. I never had the need, :-) Thanks for such informative message, Javier! If you have couple of minutes, would you, please, to expand your comments about a system without desktop environment? Targeting a laptop. Is that enough to install a base system, bootloader, then reboot, install acpi packages you have mentioned, xorg and then a window manager? Is there dependences on 'xorg', which allow a proper xorg installation? Please, correct me, I am sure I have missed a lot of useful system components. Like xscreensaver, for example. Thanks in advance! -- Sincerely Yours' Mark Goldshtein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimlj=c+ugnfza1rehnkqturjquqqbadktvka...@mail.gmail.com
Re: To enable the power management mechanism
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:49 AM, T o n g mlist4sunt...@yahoo.com wrote: On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:37:55 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: ... Thanks. I use fluxbox and don't use desktop environment myself as well (my wife does). Thank you for your detailed explanation to disentangle them for me. May I know what laptop that you are using? -- mine is just causing me too much trouble to configure. 1.- Dell Inspiron 600M (my dad's). 2.- Compaq 8510w (office's). My basic install is the same for both, even though on one I have debian i386 and the other debian amd64... Something I forgot to mention, I've used unstable for quiet a bit of time (don't even remember when I started using just unstable), and haven't found much trouble, so I'm not aware of too much configuration problems under testing neither stable, :-( I haven't had the need to even do much tweaking, snsorsd requires running sensors-detect from the list of applications above, :-) -- Javier. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikyzzkom4x0z9_r_vavywgpasg7jgyhjw-aj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: To enable the power management mechanism
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Mark Goldshtein mark.goldsht...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Javier Vasquez j.e.vasque...@gmail.com wrote: ... If you have couple of minutes, would you, please, to expand your comments about a system without desktop environment? Targeting a laptop. In both the laptops I manage: 1.- Dell Inspiron 600M (my dad's). 2.- Compaq 8510w (from work). I don't have a desktop environment such as kde, gnome, xfce, or any other. In my dad's I call startfluxbox from ~/.xsession, and have xdm installed and working, that's it. For the one from work, as I'm the only one using it, I don't even have a session loader installed, to start X I just call startx, and again, I just call startfluxbox from ~/.xsession. I've lived that way for so long that I don't like bloated (my opinion, not to start a discussion) desktop environments... Things might change, but I still feel confortable this way... Is that enough to install a base system, bootloader, then reboot, I don't know what a base system is. For squeeze (I had recently to install it in other boxes, also without desktop environment) the first thing I did was to change the configuration that by default now sets APT to always install recommended packages: % cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00InstallRecommends APT::Install-Recommends false; That I did through the installation process, since with recommends there's a lot of unnecessary (according to me) software installed. Then I didn't install anything else than the minimum required. The default coming from squeeze might do. Then I start installing the applications I want, including power management, fluxbox, X, alsa stuff, etc... Without using tasksel, since most of such tasks are not good for me. I always install build-essential, and some additional compilation stuff, plus other applications for office, web browsing etc. This is my approach, doesn't mean you have to follow though. BTW, I use aptitude in ncurses mode to install, and select/unselect some dependencies... install acpi packages you have mentioned, xorg and then a window manager? Is there dependences on 'xorg', which allow a proper xorg installation? There's a package Xorg which automatically triggers lots of dependencies such as xserver-xorg. I do install more stuff. I don't like xserver-xorg-*-all, I go and unselect them, and instead select just the input devices, video devices etc that I need. I don't like installing everything. Then I also shoot for several fonts not automatically selected by Xorg, like TTFs, and terminus (the one I use for console and X terminals)... Please, correct me, I am sure I have missed a lot of useful system components. Like xscreensaver, for example. Xorg was having lots of problems with memory management with Xscreensaver on the Dell inspiron laptop. There's a reported and unfixed bug about it, so I completely dropped xscreensaver. I use instead a combination of: xlockmore xautolock I think that provides all I need in terms of screen saving. And more now that I'm trying to play green a bit, :-) So I just have blank screen to minimize power consuption, :-) Please notice that what works for one, doesn't mean works for everyone. A lot of people is happy with desktop environments, so it might be they work OK for you... -- Javier. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktin7rqhukc1vt2mw_=+f4d+y0vu0b1w4kg3fi...@mail.gmail.com
Re: To enable the power management mechanism
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Javier Vasquez j.e.vasque...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Mark Goldshtein mark.goldsht...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Javier Vasquez j.e.vasque...@gmail.com wrote: ... If you have couple of minutes, would you, please, to expand your comments about a system without desktop environment? Targeting a laptop. In both the laptops I manage: 1.- Dell Inspiron 600M (my dad's). 2.- Compaq 8510w (from work). I don't have a desktop environment such as kde, gnome, xfce, or any other. In my dad's I call startfluxbox from ~/.xsession, and have xdm installed and working, that's it. For the one from work, as I'm the only one using it, I don't even have a session loader installed, to start X I just call startx, and again, I just call startfluxbox from ~/.xsession. I've lived that way for so long that I don't like bloated (my opinion, not to start a discussion) desktop environments... Things might change, but I still feel confortable this way... Is that enough to install a base system, bootloader, then reboot, I don't know what a base system is. For squeeze (I had recently to install it in other boxes, also without desktop environment) the first thing I did was to change the configuration that by default now sets APT to always install recommended packages: % cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00InstallRecommends APT::Install-Recommends false; That I did through the installation process, since with recommends there's a lot of unnecessary (according to me) software installed. Then I didn't install anything else than the minimum required. The default coming from squeeze might do. Then I start installing the applications I want, including power management, fluxbox, X, alsa stuff, etc... Without using tasksel, since most of such tasks are not good for me. I always install build-essential, and some additional compilation stuff, plus other applications for office, web browsing etc. This is my approach, doesn't mean you have to follow though. BTW, I use aptitude in ncurses mode to install, and select/unselect some dependencies... install acpi packages you have mentioned, xorg and then a window manager? Is there dependences on 'xorg', which allow a proper xorg installation? There's a package Xorg which automatically triggers lots of dependencies such as xserver-xorg. I do install more stuff. I don't like xserver-xorg-*-all, I go and unselect them, and instead select just the input devices, video devices etc that I need. I don't like installing everything. Then I also shoot for several fonts not automatically selected by Xorg, like TTFs, and terminus (the one I use for console and X terminals)... Please, correct me, I am sure I have missed a lot of useful system components. Like xscreensaver, for example. Xorg was having lots of problems with memory management with Xscreensaver on the Dell inspiron laptop. There's a reported and unfixed bug about it, so I completely dropped xscreensaver. I use instead a combination of: xlockmore xautolock I think that provides all I need in terms of screen saving. And more now that I'm trying to play green a bit, :-) So I just have blank screen to minimize power consuption, :-) Please notice that what works for one, doesn't mean works for everyone. A lot of people is happy with desktop environments, so it might be they work OK for you... -- Javier. Lots of useful info in there Javier. Also worth mentioning, though it doesn't seem you use it, is laptop-mode-tools. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikp8zg0b4zuvqvmx-lvi0gays-pqtaiy3=gn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: To enable the power management mechanism
Lots of useful info in there Javier. Also worth mentioning, though it doesn't seem you use it, is laptop-mode-tools. I did include it in the ones I have installed, :-) The original list had it with some words as well, so I thought it was not necessary to make additional comments... See this was my list: acpi acpitool acpid acpi-support-base laptop-mode-tools cpufrequtils cpufreqd lm-sensors sensord When you install it, I don't remember if hdparm and sdparm are automatically triggered as dependencies, but then if not it's pretty good idea to have them installed, so that laptop-mode can play with the HDs speeds... It can handle as well CPU frequency, but I prefer cpufreqd for that purpose. By default in debian laptop-mode doesn't handle CPU frequency, so it coexists pretty well with cpufreqd in debian... One can do several configurations with laptop-mode-tools, cpufreqd, and several other power saving stuff. They should also work out of the box (that has been my experience), but if one doesn't have desktop environment, one must agree with the idea of doing some tweaks to configuration files if necessary, :-)... -- Javier. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikcffvdzs-rbbfo3fkjapss-phmtys+kak7m...@mail.gmail.com
Re: To enable the power management mechanism
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Javier Vasquez j.e.vasque...@gmail.com wrote: Lots of useful info in there Javier. Also worth mentioning, though it doesn't seem you use it, is laptop-mode-tools. I did include it in the ones I have installed, :-) The original list had it with some words as well, so I thought it was not necessary to make additional comments... See this was my list: snip Ah, my mistake. When you install it, I don't remember if hdparm and sdparm are automatically triggered as dependencies, but then if not it's pretty good idea to have them installed, so that laptop-mode can play with the HDs speeds... It can handle as well CPU frequency, but I prefer cpufreqd for that purpose. By default in debian laptop-mode doesn't handle CPU frequency, so it coexists pretty well with cpufreqd in debian... They are both recommends, and depending on whether you have a modern sata, thus scsi to the kernel, or older ide drive, you just need either sdparm or hdparm respectively. At least, I only install sdparm and things seem to work well on my sata drive. YMMV. I have never installed cpufreqd, or at least, not intentionally. I install cpufrequtils, which sets one governor on boot, however if you wish to switch between different governors based on whether you are on ac or battery, laptopmode can switch that for you. But perhaps I am misinformed and cpufrequtils is just another daemon like cpufreqd... or maybe I am badly misinformed and they are the same thing. In either case, it's almost a certainty that I'm misinformed. ;) One can do several configurations with laptop-mode-tools, cpufreqd, and several other power saving stuff. They should also work out of the box (that has been my experience), but if one doesn't have desktop environment, one must agree with the idea of doing some tweaks to configuration files if necessary, :-)... The last time I setup laptopmode-tools under squeeze it is disabled by default and does nothing. You need to edit its conf file in /etc/deault/laptoop mode and set it to be enabled at boot. And then yes, there are a great many things to play with, however I've mainly just used it for spindowns of hd's. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikeapbwqz+ext5raoycuz+18=povzcemsttr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: To enable the power management mechanism
When you install it, I don't remember if hdparm and sdparm are automatically triggered as dependencies, but then if not it's pretty good idea to have them installed, so that laptop-mode can play with the HDs speeds... It can handle as well CPU frequency, but I prefer cpufreqd for that purpose. By default in debian laptop-mode doesn't handle CPU frequency, so it coexists pretty well with cpufreqd in debian... They are both recommends, and depending on whether you have a modern sata, thus scsi to the kernel, or older ide drive, you just need either sdparm or hdparm respectively. At least, I only install sdparm and things seem to work well on my sata drive. YMMV. Well, in most systems hdparm is the only one needed. It depends on the system, :-) That's why I mentioned both. And you're right, I looked for laptop-mode-tools, and both hdparm and sdparm are recommended dependencies, so I had to install them manually given that I disabled automatic install of recommended packages, :-) I have never installed cpufreqd, or at least, not intentionally. I install cpufrequtils, which sets one governor on boot, however if you wish to switch between different governors based on whether you are on ac or battery, laptopmode can switch that for you. cpufrequtils is used to change frequency, or frequency governor on the fly. cpufreqd is contantly evaluating the load and battery status in order to determine which governor and frequency ar more appropriate. I have both since I like it to be dynamic, but some times I just want to force things to my liking. To control cpufreqd, you can configure /etc/cpufreqd.conf... laptop-mode can also do similar things to cpufreqd, but I prefer cpufreqd... But perhaps I am misinformed and cpufrequtils is just another daemon like cpufreqd... or maybe I am badly misinformed and they are the same thing. In either case, it's almost a certainty that I'm misinformed. ;) cpufrequtils is no daemon, it's a set of applications that allow control on demand... The last time I setup laptopmode-tools under squeeze it is disabled by default and does nothing. You need to edit its conf file in /etc/deault/laptoop mode and set it to be enabled at boot. And then yes, there are a great many things to play with, however I've mainly just used it for spindowns of hd's. things might have changed. I don't have /etc/default/laptop-mode... The first up front configuration script (there are several) I'm aware of is /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf, and on sqeeze and unstable it by default comes enabled through the following line: ENABLE_LAPTOP_MODE_TOOLS=1 So I am not aware of it coming disabled by default in my experience... For me it just came enabled at once, :-) I tweaked some things to mi liking though... -- Javier. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinytx6fvvze4krrkucnzw89pzhabcjdfh9+b...@mail.gmail.com
